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LordFess wrote...

Oh yes it was absolutely free!! The warranty on the old system moved to the new system and since there was not much time left on it I paid for a three yr extention... I mean this was fabulous deal beyond my wildest dreams!!!


Wow! Guess the saying "DELL = Don't Expect it to Last Long", doesn't always hold true. :P

Anyway I should stop dragging this poor topic off-topic. *slaps self*
I will be quiet now..

Modifié par Miriel Amarinth, 16 mars 2011 - 10:24 .


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Well I'm getting a new card definitely. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814261088 Going with this. It can't get here soon enough, I think this card was actually overheating. Sure smells like it. Plus it was so hot to the touch it actually can burn. =\\

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I did the same with my new card, it has 3 years of warranty. If something happens, I will move for free to new one:)

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Just chiming in on the 257.99 drivers, they made a huge difference for me where nothing else had any effect. 

I'm running a GTX 570, performance has never been a problem w/ DX11. My main issue has always been that the game will suddenly freeze & immediately crash to the desktop. No errors, no slowdowns in-game beforehand. I could play for 1-2 minutes max before the game would crash. Of course, DX 9 ran fine. NO amount of enabling/disabling features or adjusting sliders made any difference. The official beta drivers from NVIDIA helped somewhat with the "exploding geometry" problems that others have reported but the crashes still occurred.

After installing the 257.99 drivers & inf file for the 550 ti last night I'm happy to report that I was able to play running DX11 for over an hour before a crash. I set the game to Very High, Anistropic to 16, AA to 4, checked off every box for the additional features. Not perfect but it's progress, and the game looks amazing. Hopefully we can get some updated drivers soon to resolve the rest of the problems.

Modifié par black_lodge, 16 mars 2011 - 11:01 .


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I'm also certain my BFG GTX 285 OC2 (factory overclocked) may be giving me artefacts due to overheating, but it doesn't explain anything else. Definitely a driver issue, and a week has now passed without a fix, this is downright shameful of the developers.

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Saltank wrote...

I'm also certain my BFG GTX 285 OC2 (factory overclocked) may be giving me artefacts due to overheating, but it doesn't explain anything else. Definitely a driver issue, and a week has now passed without a fix, this is downright shameful of the developers.


Are you running any sort of GPU monitoring / tweaking utility? If not it might be worth giving that a shot so you can monitor the temperatures and if necessary manually adjust the fanspeed. I don't know what's the best utility for a BFG card (didn't BFG go bust a while ago?), since I use EVGA precision myself, but I believe you can only download that these days if you've purchased and registered an EVGA card... I've heard some good things about Rivatuner though, or else maybe try google or asking around for a good tuning util for an nvidia card.

I wasn't very happy with some of the peak temperatures my card was reaching at certain points in the game, especially during some of the cutscenes - in most games the temperature is more steady, but in DA2 it seems to go up and down a lot . By default the fanspeed is set to dynamically increase/decrease with the temperature but it takes a while to take effect, so when the temperature is changing a lot within shorter periods of time the dynamic fanspeed isn't as great.

So what I did was set the fanspeed to manual at a fixed 70% speed before starting DA2. Because it's running at a steady speed it's always cooling at the same rate and doing a much better job of keeping the peak temperatures down. With dynamic fanspeed the fan could get upto 68% speed and peak temperatures could get as high as 92 degrees - with the fixed speed at 70% it never goes above 80. Downside is its constantly noisy, but meh, can't have everything. :)

edit: also you might want to try the 267.59 drivers, they boost performance for a lot of the cards even with DX10 - if you're currently pushing top framerates with earlier drivers, then with these drivers and vsync on you may not see a difference in fps, but it might put less strain on the card.

Modifié par Miriel Amarinth, 16 mars 2011 - 11:40 .


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Zack Ross wrote...

Well I'm getting a new card definitely. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814261088 Going with this. It can't get here soon enough, I think this card was actually overheating. Sure smells like it. Plus it was so hot to the touch it actually can burn. =

I hope it works out well for you :) out of interest, what made you go for the 1GB card over the 768MB?

I've been doing a bit of reading up on the SE and it seems though it tends to offer a more constant framerate at higher graphical settings/resolutions, it actually generally slightly under performs the 768MB card at lower ones (with a 4-6% decrease in FPS at your resolution).

If you haven't already clicked the "Buy" button, might be worth a quick read of this review - it's not specifically for that card, but the majority of it should apply.

Modifié par BTCentral, 16 mars 2011 - 11:39 .


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That is why i offered full 768 mb card:) With higher resolution 256 will be better, but they both will be too slow. For fhd and higher there are high end cards.

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Saltank wrote...

I'm also certain my BFG GTX 285 OC2 (factory overclocked) may be giving me artefacts due to overheating, but it doesn't explain anything else. Definitely a driver issue, and a week has now passed without a fix, this is downright shameful of the developers.


I got a question for you.... Are you by chance using Beta drivers ? If so you might want to uninstall them and reinstall Nvidia's latest Whole Q drivers.......... I had the game running on Beta drivers for about 3 days and then I started getting artifacts really bad.......

I started up a game of DA:O and it was artifacting there too..... So i uninstaled the Beta drivers and did a clean reinstall of the latest Whole Q drivers and have not had any problems at all since.

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LordFess wrote...

Saltank wrote...

I'm also certain my BFG GTX 285 OC2 (factory overclocked) may be giving me artefacts due to overheating, but it doesn't explain anything else. Definitely a driver issue, and a week has now passed without a fix, this is downright shameful of the developers.


I got a question for you.... Are you by chance using Beta drivers ? If so you might want to uninstall them and reinstall Nvidia's latest Whole Q drivers.......... I had the game running on Beta drivers for about 3 days and then I started getting artifacts really bad.......

I started up a game of DA:O and it was artifacting there too..... So i uninstaled the Beta drivers and did a clean reinstall of the latest Whole Q drivers and have not had any problems at all since.


Good point. I've seen more people mentioning that at first the beta drivers (267.24) worked fine, but after a while they starting having problems.

Modifié par Miriel Amarinth, 17 mars 2011 - 12:05 .


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Miriel Amarinth wrote...

LordFess wrote...
So thats where that saying "going Dutch" comes from  LoL.....


Hmm, I'm not familiar with that term, though I can guess what it means lol... Ah according to wikipedia it means everyone pays his own fees at a party or event. Yeah, that does happen sometimes, but by far not always. There's a more common phrase about the dutch "kijken, kijken, niet kopen" - litterally translated it's "look, look, but don't buy," because dutch tourists are famed for windowshopping without buying anything. :P

As for Dell, I take it they didn't replace your old machine for free? Or did it come with a 3+ year warranty? If so...damn! O_O


LOL!  Being of Dutch descent I now understand why I'm so damn cheap and like to fix things rather than buy new - It's genetics! ;-p

My favorite expression about the dutch is  "Wooden shoes, wooden head, wouldn't listen"

As for choosing a cheap video card - I chose the GTX 460 initially because of the HUGE overclocking headroom!  Then when I had more money (and was exchanging my recalled MB anyways) I sprung for a second GTX 460 and I am VERY happy with the perfomance :)

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Hmmm sounds like the Dutch get about as bad a rap as our Jewish friends about being elcheapo...LoL!!

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Usually the temp doesn't go beyond 88C when I check it.
Yes I'm on the beta drivers since they partially fixed the FPS issue. I also improved this further by changing the PhysX controller to 'CPU' in the nVIDIA control panel, and this also seems to have fixed the frequent freezes.

Thanks for the suggestions, but the 267.24 drivers didn't do anything for me, 270.32 did.
I'll try 267.59 to see if it fixes the artefacts.

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Zack Ross wrote...

Well I'm getting a new card definitely. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814261088 Going with this. It can't get here soon enough, I think this card was actually overheating. Sure smells like it. Plus it was so hot to the touch it actually can burn. =


I agree with what BTCentral told you 100%. Also if you haven't paid for it yet get GPUZ by techpowerup. When it's up and going go to sensors at the top and make sure you click the "Continue refreshing this screen...." so it will monitor the temp of your card while playing a game. I would also pull the thing and make sure there isn't a lot of dust in there and I know you have an HP case which negates the possibility of having a side fan to blow directly on the gpu and if it's a midtower the new card is probably going to get very toasty as well. I would also check to see if there is a front fan in the case if there isn't it's probably 80mm for 1 or 2 there, it could also be a bigger fan like 120mm but I doubt it. Go ahead and measure to be sure and if there isn't a front fan get at least 1 there! You want to have a consistent amount of air flow throughout the case and you need that fan in the front to provide that. If you have all ready bought the card don't worry about it but look into that fan it's only around $15 on newegg for a silent one of either size. Hope this helps.

Modifié par Kayden SiNafey, 17 mars 2011 - 12:36 .


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BTCentral wrote...

Zack Ross wrote...

Well I'm getting a new card definitely. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814261088 Going with this. It can't get here soon enough, I think this card was actually overheating. Sure smells like it. Plus it was so hot to the touch it actually can burn. =

I hope it works out well for you :) out of interest, what made you go for the 1GB card over the 768MB?

I've been doing a bit of reading up on the SE and it seems though it tends to offer a more constant framerate at higher graphical settings/resolutions, it actually generally slightly under performs the 768MB card at lower ones (with a 4-6% decrease in FPS at your resolution).

If you haven't already clicked the "Buy" button, might be worth a quick read of this review - it's not specifically for that card, but the majority of it should apply.


Yeah I'm looking at it now. I haven't hit the buy yet, I'll be buying it tomorrow. The card overheating does bother me, mine that is when I was trying Dragon Age II. Hopefully the 1 GB Card will run it at High with High Rez Textures and not get toasty. I don't really care about all the trimmings. :P So as long as it can do that, I will be satisfied.

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Zack Ross wrote...

Yeah I'm looking at it now. I haven't hit the buy yet, I'll be buying it tomorrow. The card overheating does bother me, mine that is when I was trying Dragon Age II. Hopefully the 1 GB Card will run it at High with High Rez Textures and not get toasty. I don't really care about all the trimmings. :P So as long as it can do that, I will be satisfied.


Hey Zack since you have not bought the card yet might I recommend getting this one

http://www.newegg.co...0-591-_-Product

The reason I do is because with EVGA you get a lifetime warranty if you register with in 30days of purchase. It is only $10 more so it's up to you but I like having warrantys ;)

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I downloaded the nvidia beta driver, but when I installed it I got a message saying that "Windows cannot verify the publisher of this driver software." Is that something I should worry about?

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I have a 3.2G quad core running a HD5970, so I'm pretty high-end. I've tried various solutions, including the ATI 11.4 Preview driver and nothing has worked. When I switch to DX9, everything seemed fine. But I have Win 7 Ultimate x64 on this hardware, do I really want to play this game that I have been anticipating for like a year in DX9??? I'm...upset.

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Warald wrote...

I downloaded the nvidia beta driver, but when I installed it I got a message saying that "Windows cannot verify the publisher of this driver software." Is that something I should worry about?


No, it just means Microsoft hasn't signed off on the driver & given its approval for a digital signature that removes that msg.

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Kayden SiNafey wrote...

Zack Ross wrote...

Yeah I'm looking at it now. I haven't hit the buy yet, I'll be buying it tomorrow. The card overheating does bother me, mine that is when I was trying Dragon Age II. Hopefully the 1 GB Card will run it at High with High Rez Textures and not get toasty. I don't really care about all the trimmings. :P So as long as it can do that, I will be satisfied.


Hey Zack since you have not bought the card yet might I recommend getting this one

http://www.newegg.co...0-591-_-Product

The reason I do is because with EVGA you get a lifetime warranty if you register with in 30days of purchase. It is only $10 more so it's up to you but I like having warrantys ;)



This one looks pretty good, after reading that review I was linked too though this card started looking reallyyy good to me. http://www.newegg.co...82E16814125333 Its only a bit over my budget and if its the best option I can't see having a problem with spending a bit more after the rebate.

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fot the last 3 days been restarting and trying different settings, and the most least crashes i got when i turned off the anti aliasing (but all other options ar at max). works fine in dx9 but looks crappy.

But still crashes.
i got gtx580, and lates nvidia beta allso qx9650 and 8gb or ram

so.. here is my report on that matter.

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Zack Ross wrote...

This one looks pretty good, after reading that review I was linked too though this card started looking reallyyy good to me. http://www.newegg.co...82E16814125333 Its only a bit over my budget and if its the best option I can't see having a problem with spending a bit more after the rebate.



Indeed the GTX is a better card, It will definatly give you more bang for your buck if you can afford it. Did you get a chance to look for that fan?

Wizzad wrote...

fot the last 3 days been restarting and
trying different settings, and the most least crashes i got when i
turned off the anti aliasing (but all other options ar at max). works
fine in dx9 but looks crappy.

But still crashes.
i got gtx580, and lates nvidia beta allso qx9650 and 8gb or ram

so.. here is my report on that matter.


Are you running more then one monitor? There is a specific beta if you are running more then one. I am not sure on the bug myself because I only have one at the moment but this may help. I am going to also assum your monitor is running at 1920x1080 or higher and one thing I found out is that if you run High it is DX10 not DX11 (even the mode says DX11) so I would try that with out turning on the extra options in game because those are for DX11. Make the settings changes in game because I have seen the launcher not turn off certain features even though they should be. I would try the new drivers at www.laptopvideo2go.com/ with the modified INF many ppl have seen positive results with this. Hope this helps.

Modifié par Kayden SiNafey, 17 mars 2011 - 02:01 .


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Kayden SiNafey wrote...

Zack Ross wrote...

This one looks pretty good, after reading that review I was linked too though this card started looking reallyyy good to me. http://www.newegg.co...82E16814125333 Its only a bit over my budget and if its the best option I can't see having a problem with spending a bit more after the rebate.



Indeed the GTX is a better card, It will definatly give you more bang for your buck if you can afford it. Did you get a chance to look for that fan?


Not yet, I will take a look though. I think the problem was I spent a week playing DA II with this GT 220 and it just overtaxed the card all week. On tuesday it probably gave out, and couldn't handle it anymore, thats why it overheated and dropped down to 1 FPS. It isn't designed for this kind of gaming, even if only at High Quality with everything else turned off.

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Zack Ross wrote...

Not yet, I will take a look though. I think the problem was I spent a week playing DA II with this GT 220 and it just overtaxed the card all week. On tuesday it probably gave out, and couldn't handle it anymore, thats why it overheated and dropped down to 1 FPS. It isn't designed for this kind of gaming, even if only at High Quality with everything else turned off.


Yeah if you were not getting the right amount of airfow it would definatly have cause the overheat situation. I know what your saying about taxing the card but really if it is being pushed to the limit the card should handle it with the right amount of air flow and if you don't have it, it's like running your car with out a fan infront of your radiator sooner or late when your just sitting there letting it idle it will over head vs air going past it while in motion. The air is just staying stagnent in the case and you can literally drop your over all temp by 10c in most cases by putting in a front fan and another 5 to 15c directly on the video card if you have one had one on the side of the case. Sorry to hear that caused your card to die though, at least you still got video to use it for 2d to help get this resolved.

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Kayden SiNafey wrote...

Zack Ross wrote...

Not yet, I will take a look though. I think the problem was I spent a week playing DA II with this GT 220 and it just overtaxed the card all week. On tuesday it probably gave out, and couldn't handle it anymore, thats why it overheated and dropped down to 1 FPS. It isn't designed for this kind of gaming, even if only at High Quality with everything else turned off.


Yeah if you were not getting the right amount of airfow it would definatly have cause the overheat situation. I know what your saying about taxing the card but really if it is being pushed to the limit the card should handle it with the right amount of air flow and if you don't have it, it's like running your car with out a fan infront of your radiator sooner or late when your just sitting there letting it idle it will over head vs air going past it while in motion. The air is just staying stagnent in the case and you can literally drop your over all temp by 10c in most cases by putting in a front fan and another 5 to 15c directly on the video card if you have one had one on the side of the case. Sorry to hear that caused your card to die though, at least you still got video to use it for 2d to help get this resolved.


Well I cracked it open and the card was overheating like crazy but it still runs. But even with it opened and the settings as low as possible the game still refuses to climb above 1 FPS. I seem to have killed the card in terms of Dragon Age II. It utterly refuses to run it now.