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[Kayden SiNafey]

foil- wrote...
I was thinking of doing that with my old 8800GT card supporting my newer 560Ti card.  Can't recall if the 8800GT had physX support or not.  My recollection is yes.  Would you know for sure before I risk tasking my power supply?

It does support Phsyx but it was kind of tacked on because at the time nvidia had their own hardware physics and then when they bought out Phsyx they added it to the 8XXX series but it is HORRIBLE running Phsyx in any modern game. Take Batman AA you have to run it at low and the performance hit is still signifigant. I know because I had 2 BFG 8800 GTX water cooled at the time and then a seal broke on one of the cards and because I drained too much coolant and didn't have enough to refill the system I had to pull both, so I got a 260 GTX air cooled as stop gap. I was going to send the one back into BFG but they went under literally 3 days later and even though I had my RMA in before they went under I still didn't hear anything back for 2 week saying sorry we can't do that for you, so I could not get the one replaced. I then got more coolant put the one 8800 back in and kept the 260 gtx in and I literally got more fps with the 8800 as the video card and the 260 as the phsyx even at low with the 8800, at med the 8800 gave me almost single digits for phsyx with the 260 I had 37+. This is because when the 2xx series came out they actually put true Phsyx support on the cards. This is my exp and I don't want see any one else waist their time on it, hope this helps.

Modifié par Kayden SiNafey, 17 mars 2011 - 10:08 .

[Zorky.be]

After the latest patch the game now crashes my nvidia drivers this is has gone from bad to worse I don't understand how this half ass game can be counted as finished product and is making highly doubt bioware from what I could play the is barely an rpg game with this dumbed down version everything its worse then me2 I don't even think what they will do to me3 if they keep duming it down like this it wont even be rpg comon why the hell cant you craft stuff without talking to people that do it for you rpg dont work like that lol.

Modifié par Zorky.be, 17 mars 2011 - 09:52 .

[Arrtis]

Lowest setting can get me 100 FPS.
win 7
1gb gt220
control panel set to default.
If I switch to medium it goes a steady 20
If I go any higher with anything it is between 5-15.
Regardless of resolution the fps stays about the same.

Modifié par Arrtis, 17 mars 2011 - 10:02 .

[Kayden SiNafey]

Arrtis wrote...

so I cant get this game to run a steady 40 fps even on the lowest settings.
win 7
1gb gt220
control panel set to default.
If I switch to medium it goes a steady 20
If I go any higher with anything it is between 5-15.
Regardless of resolution the fps stays about the same.

It's because the 220 is a DX10 card only and you have to run it on Medium or Low with DX9. If you want a DX11 card you will have to get 4xx series or better. As far as the low fps try lowering your res or trying the new drivers for the 550 and use the modified INF it may help your situation. Good place to get these are at

www.laptopvideo2go.com/

Zorky.be wrote...

After the latest patch the game now
crashes my nvidia drivers this is has gone from bad to worse I don't
understand how this half ass game can be counted as finished product and
is making highly doubt bioware from what I could play the is barely an
rpg game with this dumbed down version everything its worse then me2 I
don't even think what they will do to me3 if they keep duming it down
like this it wont even be rpg comon why the hell cant you craft stuff
without talking to people that do it for you rpg dont work like that
lol.

Try that driver & INF modification, I have heard very good things with the patch and those drivers it may fix your problem. Just follow the link above.

Modifié par Kayden SiNafey, 17 mars 2011 - 10:03 .

[Arrtis]

Kayden SiNafey wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

so I cant get this game to run a steady 40 fps even on the lowest settings.
win 7
1gb gt220
control panel set to default.
If I switch to medium it goes a steady 20
If I go any higher with anything it is between 5-15.
Regardless of resolution the fps stays about the same.

It's because the 220 is a DX10 card only and you have to run it on Medium or Low with DX9. If you want a DX11 card you will have to get 4xx series or better. As far as the low fps try lowering your res or trying the new drivers for the 550 and use the modified INF it may help your situation. Good place to get these are at

www.laptopvideo2go.com/

I cant get very high textures.
But this card shoudl be able to handle high. at least on low res.
It cant even handle medium well.
Im using the dx 9 right now but my card should be able to use dx 11 without any real problems.Its done it before.

Modifié par Arrtis, 17 mars 2011 - 10:07 .

[Kayden SiNafey]

Arrtis wrote...
I cant get very high textures.
But this card shoudl be able to handle high. at least on low res.
It cant even handle medium well.
Im using the dx 9 right now but my card should be able to use dx 11 without any real problems.Its done it before.

You need DX11 to run High. Some have said it will run at High with DX10 but I know it still enables or allows you to still enable other DX11 features and causes a signifigant drop to FPS, like DDOF it is still selectable and thats DX11 not DX10 so don't do it. I know for a fact though the 2xx series is DX10 at the most and I just verified it here for you

http://en.wikipedia....orce_200_Series

It says
Direct3D Support - 10.0, Shader Model 4.0 (GTS250, GTX 260-295) 10.1, Shader Model 4.1 (210/G210, GT 220, GT 240)

If you have gotten DX11 to work before it probably wasn't using the full features of DX11 like Battlefield Bad Company 2 they don't use any Tesselation or Multi-Threading features. Dragon Age 2 however does use these features IMMENSELY and with out the proper hardware support it will not run correctly. I'm sorry but your only option is to go to DX9 with Medium texture settings or upgrade your video card for DX11.

I would still try that driver fix and see if you can get more out of DX9, again a lot of ppl have said it has worked very well for them. Hope this helps.

Modifié par Kayden SiNafey, 17 mars 2011 - 10:22 .

[Arrtis]

annoying.
Whats the point of dx 10 if dx 9 and 11 are the only options.

[Gorath Alpha]

You need to lower your expectations. Your graphics card is a "Budget" item that fits into the spot that the Geforce 8500 GT was the initial card for, as a cheap alternative to their 8600 GT, which nVIDIA couldn't sell at a price to meet the Radeon HD 2600 Pro's price.

It's not supposed to match the performance of the GTS250 at all (that was the better Mainline Medium Geforce that year, but both GT 240s also make the GT 220 look like an absolute slug:

http://www.gpureview...1=617&card2=619

[Arrtis]

Is replacing a graphics card myself hard to do?
Would the gt430 work on win 7?

[Kayden SiNafey]

Gorath Alpha wrote...

You need to lower your expectations. Your graphics card is a "Budget" item that fits into the spot that the Geforce 8500 GT was the initial card for, as a cheap alternative to their 8600 GT, which nVIDIA couldn't sell at a price to meet the Radeon HD 2600 Pro's price.

It's not supposed to match the performance of the GTS250 at all (that was the better Mainline Medium Geforce that year, but both GT 240s also make the GT 220 look like an absolute slug:

http://www.gpureview...1=617&card2=619

Not really if your running 1280x1024 max res on your monitor and don't expect more then med settings in your games. It is still better then any on board video card I have ever seen.

[Kayden SiNafey]

Arrtis wrote...

Is replacing a graphics card myself hard to do?
Would the gt430 work on win 7?

Not very hard at all. Whats your budget? I ask cause if you want the most bang for buck I could quickly look it up for you.

[Arrtis]

lets say I want to spend at most 90 bucks.

[Kayden SiNafey]

Arrtis wrote...

lets say I want to spend at most 90 bucks.

Then the 430 is where you want to be. If you want and signifigant improvement I would recommend trying to save up to about $160 and then get a 460 or 550. Also if you check youtube there are a lot of video's are up there about how to change your hardware including video cards. Hope this helps.

[Miriel Amarinth]

Arrtis wrote...

Is replacing a graphics card myself hard to do?
Would the gt430 work on win 7?

I don't think the 430 is much better (performance-wise). The thing with graphics cards is that you need to keep from being distracted by the first digit, since that's just the series number, but it says little to nothing about the actual card's power. The important bit to pay attention to with xxx cards is the 2nd digit, the higher that is the more powerful the card compared to other cards in the same series.

For the 400 series cards from Nvidia the 430 is low end budget material, the 450 is a low-midrange card, the 460 is a midrange card, the 470 is mid-high range and the 480 is the high end card.

So while all these cards are in the same series, there are vast differences in their performance. Anything under a gtx460 for example will usually struggle to run a game in dx11 maxed out on a medium-high resolution with high framerates. In some games even a GTX460 may require some compromise on higher resolution to get 30+ fps. Anything below that, well in some games dx11 might not even be an option due to performance issues.

So in essence while the GT430 is a dx11 card, in practice it's barely powerful enough to handle games in dx10 in full glory let alone dx11. If looking for an improvement in gaming I'd not go below a 450, however it depends on your power supply - I don't know what a GTS450 card requires in terms of wattage and voltages, it may be more than your current stock PSU can supply.

That's always the tricky part with upgrading a system, it all needs to fit together.

Modifié par Miriel Amarinth, 17 mars 2011 - 11:02 .

[MaxPayne37]

Kayden SiNafey wrote...

Arrtis wrote...
I cant get very high textures.
But this card shoudl be able to handle high. at least on low res.
It cant even handle medium well.
Im using the dx 9 right now but my card should be able to use dx 11 without any real problems.Its done it before.

You need DX11 to run High. Some have said it will run at High with DX10 but I know it still enables or allows you to still enable other DX11 features and causes a signifigant drop to FPS, like DDOF it is still selectable and thats DX11 not DX10 so don't do it. I know for a fact though the 2xx series is DX10 at the most and I just verified it here for you

http://en.wikipedia....orce_200_Series

It says
Direct3D Support - 10.0, Shader Model 4.0 (GTS250, GTX 260-295) 10.1, Shader Model 4.1 (210/G210, GT 220, GT 240)

If you have gotten DX11 to work before it probably wasn't using the full features of DX11 like Battlefield Bad Company 2 they don't use any Tesselation or Multi-Threading features. Dragon Age 2 however does use these features IMMENSELY and with out the proper hardware support it will not run correctly. I'm sorry but your only option is to go to DX9 with Medium texture settings or upgrade your video card for DX11.

I would still try that driver fix and see if you can get more out of DX9, again a lot of ppl have said it has worked very well for them. Hope this helps.

You don't need a DX11 card to run High. A DX11 card and a DX10 card running High will look the same because High only uses DX10 effects, if you read the description. It is only until you reach Very High that DX11 effects come into play.

BTW, DDOF is NOT selectable on High, just Very High, try it yourself, and please be informed. DX10 cards are not just stuck on DX9 Medium, they CAN play on High settings, like I am playably with my GTX 260M.

Also, PhysX is a driver implementation, not a hardware one. When you say when the GTX 2xx series came out, PhysX was better, it's because the drivers caught up. I haven't played many PhysX games, but my card (based on the 8800 GT desktop version) plays games like Mirror's Edge and UT3's PhysX maps just fine now, when before I had experienced issues when PhysX just came out for NVIDIA.

Modifié par MaxPayne37, 17 mars 2011 - 11:23 .

[Gorath Alpha]

Arrtis wrote...

Is replacing a graphics card myself hard to do?
Would the gt430 work on win 7?

IMO, it's the second easiest, with raising the amount of RAM being the very easiest upgrade of all. 

The Geforce 430 GT is a good card for its intended use, which is for an HTPC, in which it is supposed to be quiet, produce a low thermal signature, and handle movies very well.  Compared to the GT 220, it looks like a big change in specs, but the benchmarks haven't shown it to be enough improvement for game playing to be worth the time and trouble making the swap.  There are two GT 440s now, one of which is more or less where the slower of the GT 240s was, and a second, better one, that should be by far the better value of the various sub-450 cards. 

That's if you are committed to nVIDIA, no matter what.  An awful large number of former Geforce users are picking up Radeons lately because the Value is so good (excellent ration of frames per dollar).

[Kayden SiNafey]

MaxPayne37 wrote...
You don't need a DX11 card to run High. A DX11 card and a DX10 card running High will look the same because High only uses DX10 effects, if you read the description. It is only until you reach Very High that DX11 effects come into play.

BTW, DDOF is NOT selectable on High, just Very High, try it yourself, and please be informed. DX10 cards are not just stuck on DX9 Medium, they CAN play on High settings, like I am playably with my GTX 260M.

Also, PhysX is a driver implementation, not a hardware one. When you say when the GTX 2xx series came out, PhysX was better, it's because the drivers caught up. I haven't played many PhysX games, but my card (based on the 8800 GT desktop version) plays games like Mirror's Edge and UT3's PhysX maps just fine now, when before I had experienced issues when PhysX just came out for NVIDIA.

When I tried High textrues I did get the option for DDOF, this may have changed with the 1.01 but I havne't looked into it since it was released so good for them they did take that out (I just verified it to so they did take it out). Also the game does not say DX10 it says DX11 thus some features are still being used from DX11 in a limited way, it isn't DX10 specific so it's probably calling out the hardware to respond with it and when it can't it causes a hit to performance. I have seen nothing but assumptions to say that DX10 is for High, just for grins and giggles I ran DA2 with FRAPS and on my G13 it will display there including telling me what mode it is rendering in DX9 shows DX9 and when I goto DX11 for High or Very HIgh it is DX11, there is NO DX10 support in DA2. Yes you need to have an os that handles DX10 but it does not mean your DX10 GeForce 2xx anything will run the game with any good frame rates with DX11. I am sorry if I am coming off as harsh but if your adiment it is DX10 why didn't anyone else check this?!? You can not blame Bioware for poor performance with assumptions! Take some responsibility ppl and like many have said and so have I many pages ago, learn to lower your expectations with your hardware if it isn't supported.

Also Phsyx when it came out for the 8xxx series it was and still is tacked on. Does it work? Yes, does it work the way it should (at the time when it came out) if you had your own Phsyx card? No. When Nvidia implimented it they said they would make it compatable, but when the 2xx series was announced they promised Phsyx would run better on them because of hardware not software hence why I say anything lower then a 260 for Phsyx is not a good idea if you want to run above Low. This is not only my personal experience with the hardware but also a fact if you dig deep enough. I was there when it happened, I had the BFG 8800gtx Water Cooled in SLI and I was thrilled and then let down when I heard this news, hence why I did that testing in Batman AA. The UT3 engine and Mirrors Edge are examples of LIMITED Phsyx support, because you had to download specific maps for UT3 and then could not play them with out some one else running Phsyx at the time it was pretty uncommon unless you were or still are an enthusiast and I am, sure I couldn't get the 1g 6 Core cpu and 12 gig of ram but I also have 3 kids and I'm unable to do other things well anymore so I got what I could. The only game at that time to use Phsyx the way this was intended was Cellfactor, with a dedicated Phsyx card you were fine even with a dedicated 8800gtx for GFX and the other for Phsyx it was running less then 20fps most of the time. This was with the AMD 4x4, 8 gig of ram as well so it should have ran fine if Phsyx was running correctly on the 8800 but it wasn't. The only games now that I have seen that come close to pushing Phsyx is Batman AA and Mafia 2, hence why I did all that testing with Batman AA. Again I hate to come off like I am being harsh but I was there I did all the Real World testing when all this stuff came around and I know what to expect with what I have the problem is many ppl want more for what they have and they need to lower the expectations or just put up the cash for new hardware like I just did, sure it took me a while but I did it, not bad for a disabled vet with 3 kids eh? I live within what I know I can do and it takes time to get there but it's been said over and over you can't expect more out what you have especially with older hardware.

Modifié par Kayden SiNafey, 18 mars 2011 - 04:14 .

[Mallissin]

Miriel Amarinth wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

Anyone else getting the windows bar at the top even when in full screen mode?

I installed the AMD/ATI preview drivers and beta patch. Neither removed. Even tried toggling it off and then on a few times...still there.

Only happens in DirectX 11 mode.

ATI Radeon 6950 with driver version 8.840.3.0 dated 2/26/2011 on Windows 7 Professional 64-bit Service pack 1.

Once you get ingame, go to options -> video and re-check the box for fullscreen again. It happens to me sometimes as well, completely at random and out of the blue the game will start in windowed mode even though it was set to fullscreen before.

I can't put a finger on what causes it, but when I go to the config utility fullscreen is checked, but ingame it isn't. Also if the ingame box for fullscreen IS checked for you, maybe try hitting ALT+ENTER to force it into fullscreen or else go to documents/bioware/Dragon Age2/Settings, check that the ini file isn't set to read-only and then open it and make sure fullscreen is set to =1.

That wouldn't fix it, but I think I did figure it out.

It seems to be something to do with the Aero docking feature in Windows 7. You know, when you drag a window to the top or sides and it tries to auto-stretch the window for you?

I turned off the full screen, moved the window down about a tenth the way down the screen (a healthy margin between the bar and monitor edge), then turned full screen back on and it fixed it.

Hasn't come back since.

[foil-]

Thanks to both of you for your answers on the physx. So what I'm hearing is its better to let my 560Ti handle both the graphics and the physx rather than support it with the 8800GT. The 8800GT running the physx will actually slow down the entire game including the graphics frame rate.

I should note also that the 8800GT I have was the newer chipset in that series. I can't recall the numbers any longer. 102/104 is ringing a bell.  If I recall properly, the 260 was a rebranded 8800GT

Modifié par foil-, 18 mars 2011 - 01:26 .

[Saltank]

I tried what others have on my GTX285:

Install 267.59 drivers with a modified INF.

And now there is no more stutter and insane amount of glitches, although artefacts still exist but I suppose this is strictly down to my card now. Also the framerate is very smooth, DX11 (dx10) High, 2x FSAA 16xAA, High resolution texture pack. Ambient occlussion off. Default settings in nvidia control panel.

[Kayden SiNafey]

foil- wrote...

Thanks to both of you for your answers on the physx. So what I'm hearing is its better to let my 560Ti handle both the graphics and the physx rather than support it with the 8800GT. The 8800GT running the physx will actually slow down the entire game including the graphics frame rate.

I should note also that the 8800GT I have was the newer chipset in that series. I can't recall the numbers any longer. 102/104 is ringing a bell.  If I recall properly, the 260 was a rebranded 8800GT

Yes it would slow it down. Also when I ran benchmarks against the 260gtx & 8800gtx I didn't see much frame rate loss between them so they run about the same. Hence why I never went with the 280 or higher because I was thinking about putting that card in my wifes machine (the 260 after I got my other 8800 back) at the time but if the performance was only going to be a few fps there was no point to upgrade from my 8800's. I waited for the 4xx series then when those ran really hot I decided to wait a little longer and now that I have the 580's I am very happy that I did.

What I would do in your situation though is get another 560ti and put it in SLI so when your playing a game the 2nd card can be used for Phsyx and when your not using Phsyx in a game you will get the benefit of having 2 cards in your machine. Sound like you have an extra PCIE anyways and the power supply to handle it, so I would go that route.

Modifié par Kayden SiNafey, 18 mars 2011 - 02:50 .

[Solinsky]

Did anyone see ANY performance changes with the new 1.01 patch? I am wondering if they had some hidden tweaks to the engine or something.

[Resavion]

All I can say is, Thank You Bioware for making a Game only those with the Highest End Systems can play, I have a System ( Core 2 Duo E6850@3ghz, 4 GB Ram, Nvidia GTS250 w 1GB Ram with latest Drivers, Windows 7 64bit ) able to play anything I throw at it, except this game.
On Medium Settings I can go about 10 sec without the game freezing up for 20 to 40 sec, it is totally unplayable.

[Zeih55]

Hmm, I'm unable to enable very high settings and the high quality blur? I've read the post above saying 200 series doesn't have directx 11 capabilities? or limited at that?

Specs:

Windows 7 Premium 64bit
Quad Intel Core i7 CPU 2.7ghz
6GB Ram
DirectX Version: 11
HD 1920x1080 (wide screen)
2 Geforce GTX 260's with SLi enabled


Edit: If I buy a Geforce GTX 580 1536 MB GDDR5 PCI-Express 2.0 will I be able to use my old GTX 260 as a slave for purely PhysX usages?

Modifié par Zeih55, 18 mars 2011 - 09:10 .

[Resavion]

Took me a while of playing around, but have gotten it running reasonably smoothly in DX9. Still a little stuttery but playable