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[GreatPhail]

I'm having trouble on with this weird system. For example:

If Merril helps me because I intend her to and Isabela is present, I gain rivalry from Isabela, and no Friend points from Merril. However if Bethany helps me, I gain 10 Friend points from her.

Due to silly me playing Mass Effect 2, I now always choose the upper-right choice in the conversation wheel. (Yes, I'm aware of the icons. They help at certain times but not every time.) Now I always make rivals to the companions I want to befriend, and vice versa. Anyone else that can relate?

[Rylor Tormtor]

Yes, maybe I am just getting used to it, but it seems really poorly implemented. I gained 10 rivalry with Anders because I wasn't going to romance him. Apparently not being only interested is boning someone makes them mad.

[Jaws_Victim]

It hasn't been so bad....I'm playing evil first and no matter what I do it pisses off everyone. It looks like it will be much easier playing good in this game.

I noticed that when your characters are in the party they are CONSTANTLY arguing with each other. This is one ridiculously spicy party set up.

Fun side: I started romancing both Anders and Fenris at the same time. Both are aware of each other, and now in my party they will randomly start to bad mouth each other.
Anders: How can you be with him? He's let one bad experience color his whole life. Surely you want someone more open minded?

This game is great. I'm confused by the friendship/rivalry system, but there's going to be a lot more play throughs for me in the very near future.

[sagevallant]

Jaws_Victim wrote...

It hasn't been so bad....I'm playing evil first and no matter what I do it pisses off everyone. It looks like it will be much easier playing good in this game.

I noticed that when your characters are in the party they are CONSTANTLY arguing with each other. This is one ridiculously spicy party set up.

Fun side: I started romancing both Anders and Fenris at the same time. Both are aware of each other, and now in my party they will randomly start to bad mouth each other.
Anders: How can you be with him? He's let one bad experience color his whole life. Surely you want someone more open minded?

This game is great. I'm confused by the friendship/rivalry system, but there's going to be a lot more play throughs for me in the very near future.

Playing through as a "Paragon", (which is what comes naturally to me; why would I be playing rpgs if I didn't love being the Impossible Hero of Bull****? ) it was really nice to get scenes where my characters were interacting like best friends. Seemed like Anders and Varric were developing a bromance. It's just a nice touch that Bioware seems to have added for this outing. Hopefully they take it a step further in the next game.

Romancing both Merril and Isabella at the same time ended up with me hearing a conversation that went along the lines of Merril gushing about how awesome I am and Isabella trying badly not to backstab her.

Merril: What's not to love about him?!
Isabella: Right. What's not to love.... >.>


I do find myself wondering, though, what the best way to go about getting into Rivalry territory is. I managed to sort of ****** off Merril talking bad about blood mages and demons, but otherwise I mostly just got the group to love me...

Other than Fenris. The game let me go on his second quest without him so I wasn't able to finish it. I didn't even figure out he was supposed to be there until empty space was saying his lines.

[ShiverMeTimbers]

Haha, "empty space saying his lines".

He was there in spirit, my friend.

[Fidget6]

For me, most of them seem very straightforward, (for Fenris, be nice to templars and mean to mages to get his friendship, for Anders be nice to mages and mean to templars) but Merril's friendship/rivalry system did seem kind of random. I was nice to her and it gave me rivalry points. :/ Isabela's seemed random at times too, but for the most part, it seemed similar to Morrigan where she likes when you stir up a bit of trouble.

Modifié par Fidget6, 11 mars 2011 - 09:46 .

[x-president]

Actually I don't mind the system.  You can gain benefits from having a rival or friend so that is kind of nice for evil characters.  Before you got nothing for having enemies.


No matter what someone always seems to have issues with any decision you make.  I like it and adds soem comedy at times.

[Taleroth]

Aveline is the only one I have trouble with. Because I'm doing a direct, sometimes aggressive Hawke. She apparently doesn't respond to that. But since I'm also a just and law abiding Hawke when Templars aren't involved, we get along more than not.

[Ohpus]

Taleroth wrote...

Aveline is the only one I have trouble with. Because I'm doing a direct, sometimes aggressive Hawke. She apparently doesn't respond to that. But since I'm also a just and law abiding Hawke when Templars aren't involved, we get along more than not.

Try having Aveline and Isabella in the party at the same time. Completely polar opposites. Every time Friendship goes up with one Rivalry goes up with the other. Thank god they aren't both LI or you would have another Leliana / Morrigan cat fight.

Modifié par Ohpus, 11 mars 2011 - 10:03 .

[Taleroth]

I actually do have Aveline and Isabella in the same party. Isabella doesn't seem to care about anything. I got her up by just killing a couple of people who really deserved it (and Aveline didn't care about), then flirting with her throughout Act 2. They had a nice catfight during Isabella's personal quest in Act 2, though.

Otherwise, Isabella's just been kind of standing ther.

Modifié par Taleroth, 11 mars 2011 - 10:07 .

[Fidget6]

Ohpus wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Aveline is the only one I have trouble with. Because I'm doing a direct, sometimes aggressive Hawke. She apparently doesn't respond to that. But since I'm also a just and law abiding Hawke when Templars aren't involved, we get along more than not.

Try having Aveline and Isabella in the party at the same time. Completely polar opposites. Every time Friendship goes up with one Rivalry goes up with the other. Thank god they aren't both LI or you would have another Leliana / Morrigan cat fight.

Exact same with Fenris and Anders.

[sagevallant]

x-president wrote...

Actually I don't mind the system.  You can gain benefits from having a rival or friend so that is kind of nice for evil characters.  Before you got nothing for having enemies.


No matter what someone always seems to have issues with any decision you make.  I like it and adds soem comedy at times.

Oh don't get me wrong, it's great in theory. Adds new depth to the relationship system. It's just that some of us are having some issues getting the system to do what we want it to. And there's no pile of gifts to help us push it in the direction we want it to go.

[x-president]

sagevallant wrote...

x-president wrote...

Actually I don't mind the system.  You can gain benefits from having a rival or friend so that is kind of nice for evil characters.  Before you got nothing for having enemies.


No matter what someone always seems to have issues with any decision you make.  I like it and adds soem comedy at times.

Oh don't get me wrong, it's great in theory. Adds new depth to the relationship system. It's just that some of us are having some issues getting the system to do what we want it to. And there's no pile of gifts to help us push it in the direction we want it to go.

Yea, too bad gifts were removed.

[keginkc]

Very early on I realized I was going to need to switch my party around to turn in certain quests without causing friction. Like if I need to do anything shady at night anywhere, or talk to any, say, smugglers, it might be a good idea to leave Aveline in the barracks.

Sort of reminds me of real life. Not that I'm ever sneaky like that. Cough.

Modifié par keginkc, 12 mars 2011 - 01:36 .

[The Minority]

Honestly it doesn't matter. For me Fenris is max rival because I'm pro mage. But he said to me that despite our different views he respects me.

[livalidle]

Being the "Paragon" or good guy seems to only get Fenris, Aveline and Bethany to like you. I just barely got points with Merril for her quest. You get rivalry points when you bring her into the fade and anders? Or when you destory evil books that are summoning demons that try to kill you? I get the whole "It's a keepers job" thing, but she was influenced by the fade demons, shouldn't she have some sort of character growth?

[Barneyk]

Well, for the most part I really like that it isnt that easy to know what will do what, makes them feel like real characters.
But when I got Merril a gift in act 2 and was nice to her it increased rivalry with 15 points, I really didnt get that.
But, Anders ad Merril have a very interesting dynamic.
As does Merril and Isabel...

Modifié par Barneyk, 12 mars 2011 - 01:43 .

[syn010110]

Merrill's friendship is really easy to get, but it's different than everyone else's.

She doesn't go for causes or belief systems. You just have to be nice to her, support what she does, and don't act afraid of her. Romancing her makes it even easier--the friendship points fly.

When I gave her the gift, I got 15 friendship points. The gifts can be bad OR good depending on what you say during the ensuing dialogue.

[Margret Li]

I find Varric is the only that I know how to gain friendship for sure. With him, all you need is choose the money option, and he'll be happy with it. I find it very hard to please everyone, it seems easier to ****** off everyone! But I'm still only in Act 1

[RedRoo]

I was really looking forward to making some rivals, but I ended up with everyone at max Friendship. Oh well. I'll be meaner to Merrill next time; she's kind of a prat.

[Adhin]

I've never gotten rivalry points with Merrill being nice to her. Being diplomatic (top right) isn't always nice. But she is an odd one, seriously odd, in a cute way. You can be an ass to her in the beginning and she barely notices.

Your best bet is to come up with some basic views your character has (on noes, RP'ing) and 'sticking to em'. Rivalry isn't a bad thing in this game, which I like, they wont leave you for it. It's all just flavor in the end.

Generally speaking though Merrill doesn't like you being mean to mages, as a general rule. She doesn't have a chip on her shoulder about Templar's like Fenris does so I haven't seen her go-ape **** over helping them. However when helping them directly ****s over a mage she'll be upset.

And I did the broken heart with Fenris and Anders second it showed up - never got any rivalry or friendship points. It stopped the 'romance' stuff off instantly, if anyone here told them no its because you where leading them on from the start 'then' told them no. Ain't them being crazy, its you not paying attention to ****.

[Lord Arkay]

Anders seemed pretty into chicks in the Awakening expansion... that confused me about this game. Seemed like an entirely different characterization of him. Maybe Justice swings both ways, who knows.

I found Aveline the hardest to please as an apostate mage who tried to strike a balance between doing the "right" thing and being pro-mage I found I didn't really get anywhere friendly or unfriendly with her.

[livalidle]

or it's a a no net rivalry or friendship points. If you have get 10 points from being nice and then lose ten points for turning them down, then the end result is 0. I also did this as soon as it showed up, and I lost points. It's not me not paying attention, you're just crazy.

[Adhin]

Hahahaha. I maybe crazy but I'm pretty sure I was able to turn him down in Act 1 with out getting Rivalry points. I had started over though and I haven't talked to him yet since then. So I'll be doing that soon and seeing if I do get the rivalry for the 'not into dudes' thing early on.

-edit 1-
Just talked to Fenris, act 1, first time you talk to him after he gets that busted up mansion. turned him down no rivalry or friend points to be had. Anders chatty thing isn't available yet so...waiting still on that.

-edit 2-
Ah hah! Tricky conversation there. The start of the conversation you get a broken heart thing which kills it off right away. If you take any other option it continues and, if you take the Diplomatic option after that, he gets all...wooy at you like hes a bit confused but likes you. If you take the Broken Heart option at that point you get the -10 Rivalry points.

Which prior to this play through I didn't pick the initial Broken Heart dialog. I did it in the second thing I believe. Anything besides directly agreeing with him initially and being all soft and gooy nets you some kind of rivalry in that conversation.

Oddly theres no 'i agree' option at the end that isn't a flirt. Very awkward. Kinda wonder why the male romances are so forceful in the flirting stuff and all the girls are, very light on that in act 1. Seems uneven, think Merrill literally only has 1 thing you can do as a flirt in the whole of act 1.

Anyways, either say no immediately (and skip out on the whole conversation) or take the whole joking path. Then do a broken heart in the 2nd conversation down the line. All Joking leads to 5 rivalry though, beats 10? But damn hes an edgy bastard this time around. You sneeze and he just flips on you.

Modifié par Adhin, 12 mars 2011 - 07:35 .

[Johnny Moore]

Adhin wrote...

I've never gotten rivalry points with Merrill being nice to her. Being diplomatic (top right) isn't always nice.

Well, it's very hard to not get rivalry points with Merrill, especially if you gave her present (halla statue in 2nd chapter), then your "reward" is +15 rivalry points (no matter what you say).

I should toss taht statue into a garbage :/

Modifié par Johnny Moore, 13 mars 2011 - 12:30 .