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[shaneho78]

The system over-influences my gameplay/convo. I wanted that Blood Mage boost with Merrill's friendship so I sided with Mages whenever I could. It was valuable as it was a free passive ability. I also preferred Fenris' rivalry ability (crit > magic resistance) so it was pro-mage for me this playthrough at least.

[wicked_being]

So do I have to constantly rotate party members so I can do progress with their friendship/rivalry? I'm playing as a rogue so I didn't bother taking Isabela/Varric and I like Fenris over Aveline but I'm kind of worried I'll be missing this whole friendship/rivalry dialogue/quests for them.

[Malk71]

syn010110 wrote...

Merrill's friendship is really easy to get, but it's different than everyone else's.

She doesn't go for causes or belief systems. You just have to be nice to her, support what she does, and don't act afraid of her. Romancing her makes it even easier--the friendship points fly.

When I gave her the gift, I got 15 friendship points. The gifts can be bad OR good depending on what you say during the ensuing dialogue.

I tried all conversation posibilities when i gave her the wodden halla thing and got 15 rivalry EVERY time :/
What gives?

[Heidenreich]

Johnny Moore wrote...

Adhin wrote...

I've never gotten rivalry points with Merrill being nice to her. Being diplomatic (top right) isn't always nice.

Well, it's very hard to not get rivalry points with Merrill, especially if you gave her present (halla statue in 2nd chapter), then your "reward" is +15 rivalry points (no matter what you say).

I should toss taht statue into a garbage :/

This is false. It depends on how you talk to her, and where your status is with her. Basically if you're over-the-top goody goodie or over the top sarcastic or over the top aggressive, she'll give you negitive points.

I was very diplomatic with merill for the most part, being gently supportive and non-judging. Then when I gave her the hala stature, I asked her about it, and then was aggressive (Well if you dont want it, fine!) and she backpeddeled and was like "No no I want it! It was very sweet!"*friendship*


You have to think about how she views you, in order to know how to react. There's a rp-depth ti merill (and all the companions) that just isn't there in other games. I that about DA2.

[Chronicdoodler]

I am a little confused too, also concerned. I chose Fenris as my romance and we had a naturally rivalry going on, but I accidently chose options that in act 2 made him friendly now I think I am only 70% rival. I didn't see an option for him to move in either, so now I think I may have messed up the romance.

Do you have to be 100% one way or the other right in order to solidy the romance?

[Johnny Moore]

Heidenreich wrote...

Johnny Moore wrote...

Adhin wrote...

I've never gotten rivalry points with Merrill being nice to her. Being diplomatic (top right) isn't always nice.

Well, it's very hard to not get rivalry points with Merrill, especially if you gave her present (halla statue in 2nd chapter), then your "reward" is +15 rivalry points (no matter what you say).

I should toss taht statue into a garbage :/

This is false. It depends on how you talk to her, and where your status is with her. Basically if you're over-the-top goody goodie or over the top sarcastic or over the top aggressive, she'll give you negitive points.

I was very diplomatic with merill for the most part, being gently supportive and non-judging. Then when I gave her the hala stature, I asked her about it, and then was aggressive (Well if you dont want it, fine!) and she backpeddeled and was like "No no I want it! It was very sweet!"*friendship*


You have to think about how she views you, in order to know how to react. There's a rp-depth ti merill (and all the companions) that just isn't there in other games. I that about DA2.

False you say? In the speach (when giving her the statue present) you have 3 options ("good neutral and bad"), no more, no less. Whatever i used, i received +15. And she had neutral "relation" with me... I'm not dumb, it's just bugged.

[Sidney]

I didn't have the Halla problem with Merrill. She's actually the easiest and most straightforward - help elves and apostates. Aveline is easy as well overall - follow the rules.

Isabella and Varric I'll admit to being a bit bamboozled as to what tips their fancy at any given point and the rest I'm not dragging along this time.

[Sidney]

shaneho78 wrote...

The system over-influences my gameplay/convo. I wanted that Blood Mage boost with Merrill's friendship so I sided with Mages whenever I could. It was valuable as it was a free passive ability. I also preferred Fenris' rivalry ability (crit > magic resistance) so it was pro-mage for me this playthrough at least.

Same problem as DAO where you wanted "Massive <Skill Boost>" on everyone. I wish bioware would drop the parts of the game that reward you in terms of game mechanics not in terms of relationships  for being extremely liked to hated like the merchants in BG2, the force power gain in KoTOR or the stats boosts from DAO and DA2.

[Nathan Redgrave]

sagevallant wrote...

Oh don't get me wrong, it's great in theory. Adds new depth to the relationship system. It's just that some of us are having some issues getting the system to do what we want it to. And there's no pile of gifts to help us push it in the direction we want it to go.

It's not intended to "go the way you want it to go," it's intended to go the way characters want them to go. It was said in pre-release articles that it was designed with the idea that instead of encouraging players to exploit the "gaminess" of the system, that it should encourage players to treat characters consistently. It's meant to encourage roleplay without punishing players simply for sticking to their chosen alignment.

I find that if you just keep in mind what a character's views are when you select party members for any given mission, you can generally avoid alienating your friends. Be courteous enough to keep the Captain of the Guard out of your party when you get up to shady business at night. Stuff like that.

EDIT: I'm not saying it isn't flawed, but I still think it's better than the Origins system.

Modifié par Nathan Redgrave, 13 mars 2011 - 02:08 .

[Johnny Moore]

Sidney wrote...

I didn't have the Halla problem with Merrill. She's actually the easiest and most straightforward - help elves and apostates. Aveline is easy as well overall - follow the rules.

Isabella and Varric I'll admit to being a bit bamboozled as to what tips their fancy at any given point and the rest I'm not dragging along this time.

Mg... I just said it's bugged sometimes, not that is hard to "read their (simple) minds"...
I should keep my mouth shut...

[Barneyk]

syn010110 wrote...

Merrill's friendship is really easy to get, but it's different than everyone else's.

She doesn't go for causes or belief systems. You just have to be nice to her, support what she does, and don't act afraid of her. Romancing her makes it even easier--the friendship points fly.

When I gave her the gift, I got 15 friendship points. The gifts can be bad OR good depending on what you say during the ensuing dialogue.

But, I only said nice and supportive things...
Very strange...

[HopHazzard]

Malk71 wrote...

syn010110 wrote...

Merrill's friendship is really easy to get, but it's different than everyone else's.

She doesn't go for causes or belief systems. You just have to be nice to her, support what she does, and don't act afraid of her. Romancing her makes it even easier--the friendship points fly.

When I gave her the gift, I got 15 friendship points. The gifts can be bad OR good depending on what you say during the ensuing dialogue.

I tried all conversation posibilities when i gave her the wodden halla thing and got 15 rivalry EVERY time :/
What gives?

The gifts will generate points in whatever direction the scale is moving once you've reached 50% in either friendship or rivalry.

[gr33n3]

1 thing is confusing me i slept with isabella and we got friends after it i didnt try to finish romance but i was nice to her. so we got friends while merril lived in my house full romance kiss before endbattle and so on.


Spoiler(small one)

but in the end varric said everyone left me except isabella. shouldnt it be merril and isabella?
cause i told isabella that i cant leave merril and she said take her on the ship aswell.

[kiera embers]

Taleroth wrote...

I actually do have Aveline and Isabella in the same party. Isabella doesn't seem to care about anything. I got her up by just killing a couple of people who really deserved it (and Aveline didn't care about), then flirting with her throughout Act 2. They had a nice catfight during Isabella's personal quest in Act 2, though.

Otherwise, Isabella's just been kind of standing ther.

did you see the cat fight for aveline's quest in part 2??

[Iehoa0083]

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

Yes, maybe I am just getting used to it, but it seems really poorly implemented. I gained 10 rivalry with Anders because I wasn't going to romance him. Apparently not being only interested is boning someone makes them mad.

Same thing here! This system needs more refinement.

[WingsandRings]

My problem is that I can't seem to get Fenris to go one way or another. I'm playing a pro-mage mage, but I'm still not into blood magic or slavery, so Fenris ends up spewing friendship AND rivalry points at me and ultimately staying in the middle. I'm only at the end of act 2, so maybe I'll be able to make a big jump near the end, but it's very annoying.

[gr33n3]

ok seems to be a bug i encountered.
so if you want a clean save at the end with a merril romance, dont sleep with isabella.
because if you do in the end varric says everyone left you except isabella. he should say everyone except merril tough.
but since i slept with isabella for fun hehe... i guess the end msg got messed up. just hoping it doesnt mess up the save for the expansion ;/

[HopHazzard]

WingsandRings wrote...

My problem is that I can't seem to get Fenris to go one way or another. I'm playing a pro-mage mage, but I'm still not into blood magic or slavery, so Fenris ends up spewing friendship AND rivalry points at me and ultimately staying in the middle. I'm only at the end of act 2, so maybe I'll be able to make a big jump near the end, but it's very annoying.

Do his personal quests. Take neutral options if you don't feel like kissing his butt, but don't get defensive about his anti-mage comments.

[szsleepy]

Friendship isn't always good. For instance, gaining Rivalry with Aveline (in my opinion) makes her a stronger tank, whereas her Friendship trait really weakens her ability to absorb damage.

[Barneyk]

szsleepy wrote...

Friendship isn't always good. For instance, gaining Rivalry with Aveline (in my opinion) makes her a stronger tank, whereas her Friendship trait really weakens her ability to absorb damage.

I play primarily with the relationships and characters in mind, the benefits in combat is irrelevant for me when it comes to how I relate to the characters...

[szsleepy]

Barneyk wrote...

szsleepy wrote...

Friendship isn't always good. For instance, gaining Rivalry with Aveline (in my opinion) makes her a stronger tank, whereas her Friendship trait really weakens her ability to absorb damage.

I play primarily with the relationships and characters in mind, the benefits in combat is irrelevant for me when it comes to how I relate to the characters...

Absolutely, and so do I.  Although my characters tend to be fairly shallow and follow the "Paragon/Renegade" paradigm.  I have difficulty coming up with a unique backstory and RP perspective when the game blatantly sets all of that out for me before I even have a chance to design my character's face. 

[joh4nlee]

The Minority wrote...

Honestly it doesn't matter. For me Fenris is max rival because I'm pro mage. But he said to me that despite our different views he respects me.

How to make Fenris a rival ? Im always pro-mage anyway. In which quests do I need to take him with ?