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[Darion_Blackhammer]

Alright, I've only been into the game for about 9 to 10 hours. I just got past the point in which you save Keran (the Templar recruit) from the blood mages.

I've been thinking back to see if I would've done anything that would have the game confused as to what the gender of my character is. The only thing I can *think* of is using the mirror in the black emporium (think that's the name) ... the mirror that allows you to change your appearance.

But anyway, I began noticing this as soon as I ran into Fenris, at least 3 or 4 times during his dialogue chain, I had an option to flirt with him, keeping in mind that my character is male.

Also, as previously stated, I just finished the quest to save Keran from the blood mages. After doing so, I went to talk to Anders at his home base, and he was straight up hitting on me. When I shot him down, I gained 10 rivalry points with him, and now he's pretty much perma-pissed at me.

And, I have not had even ONE opportunity as of yet to flirt with a member of the opposite sex. Granted, the only ones I've got are Bethany (which doesn't/shouldn't count), Merril and Aveline. But out of the two that are not related, I've not had the option to flirt with either.

Now, this brings up a cotroversial topic, but I am not here to say that same-sex romance shouldn't be allowed for those who want to chase it ... but I most certainly do NOT want to ... and the game seems to be going out of it's way to practically force me into a same-sex relationship.

It comes off feeling somewhat on purpose ... alot like 'hey look! you can do same sex relationships! now! ... look! ... no seriously! we mean it! ... here, just incase you didn't believe us, here is ANOTHER opportunity!'

So yeah, I get it, it's possible, but perhaps you shouldn't make it feel like it's being shoved down my throat? ... figuratively speaking of course.

[MikuHaru]

I think it's simply because Merril is a bit hard to flirt with in earlier stages and you don't have the other female love interest. No one is forcing you to chose the to flirt with the male characters. The options are just simply there. Also, I have a theory that the heart icon isn't necessarily flirting, but just loving on your companions, as you can do this with Aveline (who isn't romanceable) and it doesn't sound flirty and either does the first heart option for Merril. Also, the Anders thing makes sense, as he is cannonically bisexual. You'd have to tell him that he's not interested since I think you're referring to that once dialog where the only options are flirt, flirt, anti-flirt.

[Steelcry]

The guide book says, word for word. Do note that this could be spoiling I'll warn if its high in spoilage but most is just names of quests.

MERRILL ROMANCE
To see a romance with Merrill through to its conclusion, you must satisfy the following requirements.

1: Reach 50% friendship or rivalry, and flirt with Merrill at least once before or during the Questioning Beliefs mid-point relationship conversation in Act 2.

2: After Questioning Beliefs has finished, Merrill will visit the Hawke Estate in the evening if her friendship or rivalry level remains at least 50% in either direction. Flirt with her to initiate the romance and invite her to move in.

3: You must then reach 100% friendship or rivalry, complete her companion quest, give both gifts, speak to her in any ambient conversations that arise, then-finally-complete the Friend or Foe dialogue.

4: If you are on the rival path, you will need to ally Hawke with the mages to guarantee that the romance reaches its optimum conclusion. On the friendship path, you can still side with the templars and complete the romance by convincing Merrill that the choice is not Hawke's to make: pick the "Anders tied our hands" option. Finally, speak with her in the Gallows Prison or Gallows Courtyard (during the Last Straw) to complete the romance.

ISABELA ROMANCE
To sweep Isabela off her feet (despite her apparent disinterest in such an outcome beyond a purely physical interpretation of the phrase), you must complete the following objectives.

1: You have to be on the friendship path to complete the romance with isabela, though this isn't necessary for the first steps. She will sleep with Hawke no matter the state of their relationship.

2: Flirt with the Rivaini during the Isabela's Ongoing Search companion quest, available from the start of Act 2. This will cause Isabela to make a random visit to Hawke Estate at night during the events of Act 2. Flirt again to sleep with her. In the following dialogue, you must ask why Isabela is hesitant to fall in love, then explore the all "investigate" options (as denoted by the ? icon).

3: Ensure that Isabela returns after To Catch a Thief (see Crisis Points).

4: The final steps are to find and bestow both gifts, reach 100% friendship, then begin the Questioning Beliefs final-stage relationships conversation. When Isabela says the line that begins with "Now that I have my ship...", reply with "I'd like that". Last, but not least, converse with her in the Gallows Prison or Fallows Courtyard in The Last Straw to complete the romance.

(I think my hands have died... I haven't typed that much since school >_<)

[demonic_cookie]

You can flirt with Merill as soon as you come back from Sundermount. She doesn't really flirt back, just misinterprets it, but it's there. Isabela comes on to you as soon as you do her quest.

Do you feel that the game is 'forcing' you into being a goody-two-shoes diplomat? The options are there all the time... It's your choice to ignore them.

Edit: I'm playing a lesbian Hawke and haven't been able to flirt that much with my LI of choice. GASP, I'm being forced into a straight relationship. How COULD they?

Modifié par demonic_cookie, 09 mars 2011 - 09:46 .

[Steelcry]

You know I've always wondered why they couldn't just make an option to turn off/on the romance choices in the options menu. Then we wouldn't have people feeling forced or whatever into something they aren't into... Huh had the same feeling with online only achievements in other games; forced to play online to get those last few achievements.

[mesmerizedish]

Oh God, the gay, it burns! Maker, save me, I can't stand the gay! Oh, the gay!

[Maria Caliban]

The problem is the men are trollops.

I've played with Isabella for ~7 hours now and not once gotten the option to flirt with her. On the other hand, Anders and Fenris are practically humping my Lady Hawke's legs.

So, yes, there are tons of same-sex flirtatious at start if you're playing a dude. There are tons of opposite-sex flirtations if you're playing a gal.

[mesmerizedish]

Maria, you don't understand! They GAY is almost TOUCHING me!

[Frakking.Toaster]

Sorry to be insensitive about this- But honestly, Gay players have had straight options thrown at them * COUGH COUGH -HEAVY RISK BUT THE PRIZE- COUGH COUGH* And none of us got feisty over it.
And its MUCH more cut and dry in DA:2.
You get the heart option if its flirty. If you read the options you can NOT accidently flirt with someone you don't wish to. This is NOT the case in ME/DA:0
If you say two kind words to Alistair as a fem warden, Hes off picking out curtains- while you fight the Blight.
Try intentionally playing a lesbian Shepard.
Good luck being NICE to Kaiden, as hes all madly in love with you once you say "hey. You're an ok guy!" and then part 2. With Jacob and even to a lesser extent Thane.

In ME if you wanted a Lesbian Shepard- (Now this is inferring that Asari are female- i KNOW the official stance is genderless-)- You hadda be a TOTAL DICK to anyone who you DIDN'T want to romance.In DA:2 i think its a rather nice addition to have the Heart next to flirtatious options to keep people from complaining on either front.
As for your primary complaint however-  im almost in to Act 2. Andddd my FHawk is ALL about the ladies , i've not had a single option to flirt with Isabella, and Merrill only once.  But TONS for Anders and Fenris. So - honestly? I think  Marias 100% correct, the boys are a bit  easy. 

Modifié par The.Pixie.Devil, 09 mars 2011 - 02:11 .

[Erani]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Maria, you don't understand! They GAY is almost TOUCHING me!

The gay option is there for a bisexual companion NOOOOOOO! How can this be??

[Rylor Tormtor]

Sigh. Just because most people are insensitive jerks doesn't mean that you have to be when someone brings a legitimate game-play concern. I have no problem taking Ander's to pound town, BUT, I shouldn't be forced to if I want to be his friend. There are characters like Isabella and Zevran, who have particular outlooks on life that make this more likely, but I am annoyed I took a rivalry hit just because I didn't want Aboma-Anders to like my Lamp Post in Winter.

[Erani]

Shavon wrote...

It's really not hard to just avoid the options. They let you see which dialogue choices are romantic on purpose, so you aren't railroaded into a romance.

>_>

Yes, if you don't want to pursue a romance don't do the  dialogue options.

[yhishtchie]

Seems like gay male or straight woman Hawke's get many more romance options than straight male or lesbian woman characters.

Way too much sausage in this party!

[Rhayth]

Are not true I didn't make any romance or heart options and both Fenris and Anders try to romance me without me prompting anything in my first convo's at their respective homes...so you are indeed bull rushed by the same sex romances. I've been trying to romance Merril and thats cool she doesn't view you that way til down the line, but seriously i'm like in year 6 and she's just now getting the idea is kinda...ridiculous in my opinion. I don't expect her to have jumped on it like the guys but I did not make any romancable options at the guys to have had them trying to be all like "You're so handsome." ... "What?"

[Rhayth]

Actually I didn't romance, and i'm not against it I have gay friends, but I think its ridiculous that they got treated like first class...lets say easy for the sake of being nice. If I had decided to play a gay character I would have been sorely disappointed in just how easy it would have been. The fact that i've had to bust my ass to romance Merril made me like her all the more when initially I didn't even plan on romancing her at all. And I do think its fair to complain about it when its from a game from a company who is known to have always had a balance of choice between gay or straight. This isn't there first time throwing the option in there...usually there's a balance. People are stupid for complaining about people who complain. If you dislike something you're a hatemonger, but if you protest for it you're a good person. I'm not a bigot, but I don't think its fair that people can't voice any level of disapproval on anything concercing gay without being treated like bigots.

[Kemmer]

Well, to be fair, in both DAO and DA2, the desire demons provide plenty of shimmying and gratuitous boobage to balance out the sausage fest elsewhere . I swear, I half expect the DD girls to bust out into the WoW Night Elf female dance!

[Erani]

Rhayth wrote...

Are not true I didn't make any romance or heart options and both Fenris and Anders try to romance me without me prompting anything in my first convo's at their respective homes...so you are indeed bull rushed by the same sex romances. I've been trying to romance Merril and thats cool she doesn't view you that way til down the line, but seriously i'm like in year 6 and she's just now getting the idea is kinda...ridiculous in my opinion. I don't expect her to have jumped on it like the guys but I did not make any romancable options at the guys to have had them trying to be all like "You're so handsome." ... "What?"

Ok seriously, how did you get Fenris to initiate romance on MHawke without selecting ANY heart dialogue? I would like to know, because my MHawke had to select  and tell Fenris "it'd be a waste of handsome elf" or something like that when you first meet him...Fenris didn't come onto my MHawke, so if there's a way for this to happen I want to know.

[the rocan]

Well since all the romance options are bisexual, with the exception of Sebastian, it makes sense that all of them who are Romance oriented would hit on you. Really the only two I notice hitting on my Male character often are Anders and Isabella. And really Anders isn't so much hitting on as he is implying heavy gay over tones similarly to the way Leliana does in DA:O... I swear at any moment he is going to make some comment about my damn hair... And Isabella literally rapes me with her eyes every time we talk.

Fenris, I haven't had hitting on me and the one time I initiated a flirt he seemed very unimpressed. And Merrill is homely as all get out so I wouldn't want to hit on her... and she is way too shy to hit on me. (Seriously who thought making elves look like aliens was a good idea?)

Honestly I think that making all the core romances, not including DLC, Bisexual is completely unrealistic. Yeah it gives you the opportunity to romance whomever whenever but it cheapens the characters. It would have been far better to have heterosexual and homosexual love interests with maybe one bisexual than to just have all bisexuals... They already cheapened the character aspects by removing my ability to ask them questions about their lives and pasts and now they just made them into loveall shallow companions.

There is nothing wrong with being bisexual, homosexual, or heterosexual or any of the many many of other "defined" orientations but to just say, "All your companions swing both ways," just feels cheap. I mean seriously I'm an actual bisexual and I think it is unrealistic...

Modifié par the rocan, 09 mars 2011 - 08:35 .

[Rylor Tormtor]

Arrgh.

Really? It is like you people see the various outline of a soapbox and you want to jump on it. It is like someone is only reading a couple words, and then ignoring the rest of the post.

Noone is mad about any romance options. They are great, they are inclusive, and it is a huge step forward. I wasn't planning on romancing Anders this time through, so, when the dialog showed wheel came up, I DID NOT CHOOSE A HEART. But, I got a big steamin' pile of rivalry points.

That is, from what I could gather from reading THE ENTIRE OP, that the poster was annoyed at. I find it annoying as well.

It has nothing to do with sexual orientation or anything. Just your companions getting all mad that you don't want to make the nug with two backs with them.

[MR445]

I don't think many of you understand...

In Anders' first ambient conversation you get pigeonholed into choosing one of two romance dialogues or telling him you're not interested, which results in you gaining rivalry points with him. I don't remember there being a neutral choice.

I personally didn't have a problem taking the rivalry points but I can understand how some people would be upset about it.

The problem isn't that the choice to have a romance is there, its that you are penalized for turning it down.

[Heldenbrand]

The Anders dialogue was a little pigeonholed. My only choices were initiate a romance or to take a 20 point rivalry hit with the guy. Seems incredibly petulant. The only way I've found out of it is to take an alternative dialogue path and basically only take a 5 point rivalry hit.

[Rylor Tormtor]

MR445 wrote...

I don't think many of you understand...

In Anders' first ambient conversation you get pigeonholed into choosing one of two romance dialogues or telling him you're not interested, which results in you gaining rivalry points with him. I don't remember there being a neutral choice.

I personally didn't have a problem taking the rivalry points but I can understand how some people would be upset about it.

The problem isn't that the choice to have a romance is there, its that you are penalized for turning it down.

Tee-hee. Pigeon-holed.

[the rocan]

Heldenbrand wrote...

The Anders dialogue was a little pigeonholed. My only choices were initiate a romance or to take a 20 point rivalry hit with the guy. Seems incredibly petulant. The only way I've found out of it is to take an alternative dialogue path and basically only take a 5 point rivalry hit.

It sucks but it makes sense. It worked that way in DA:O as well, when someone is into you and you are like hey woah nooooo! Back up off me crazy Leliana ho who I've already broken up with/told there was nothing going on between us like five times already but you can't seem to get the point and just keep rambling on about being naked in warm pudding, seriously what the back off!

I had such a hard time maintining a friendship with that chick, simply because she didn't understand the word no! And each time I had to tell her no, many times over, she got upset. 

Being upset cause someone dumps you/turns you down makes sense. But apparently leading someone on when you don't know your doing it is even worse. In game and out...>.>