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[Teddie Sage]

Honestly people. Don't treat this game as a sequel and you'll be just fine... I hate it as a sequel, to be honest. But once I got able to close my eyes on that, I consider it to be a pretty good independent game. Think of it like a Final Fantasy. They never have the same stories, but they do all their different charms.

[skylr616]

Some user reviews of DAO...

Dragon Age has the most annoying control and combat system of any RPG I have played. Also It's almost hard to call it a game with all the stupid conversations with NPC's that are far far far to longwinded.

Overrated. Conversation options are merely cosmetic; almost all of them are inconsequential and lead towards the same path. Mindless dungeon crawl with a weak combat system. The antagonists lack depth.

It has most of what makes a great RPG. The story is interesting, the voice acting is good, and I loved manipulating everyone to my own ends in the beginning as a mage. However, this game is completely and utterly broken for one reason - the combat. It plays similar to a WoW clone sans actual people controlling your allies, and it works about as well as it sounds. To attempt to fix the problem of having all these abilities at your allies' disposal and no humans to give them orders (unless you pause the game and micromanage every single action of your allies), Bioware has essentially copied the gambit system from FFXII, and that works about as well as it did in that game. Which is not at all. While there is an obvious advantage to scripting your allies' AI to suit your own purposes, even with scripts that should have had my allies fighting the sames things as I was, they acted retarded. Apparently, it makes more sense to spread to the four corners of the world where you can be picked off easily than to fight in one group. What could have been a great game has had all its potential destroyed by the absolute worst AI I have ever seen; AI even worse than that of Call of Duty 4 and Medieval II: Total War

ter having played the game for a sum total of 5 hours, I was surprised it had not gripped me as I thought it would. RPG's from BioWare are always amazing games but after having recently finished Mass Effect (twice, one after another) I can honestly say BioWare lost the plot here. The graphics were lacklustre, dialogue was completely appauling and contributed almost nothing of real value and the combat system gets boring after a few hours after which it becomes to feel grind-like. Add this to the extremely linear world (fast-travel map system), common load screens, inability to form an emotional connection with party members (within the first 5 hours I lost atleast 4 through the story, which gave little time to connect or feel for these NPCs). I am bewildered like many other users' as to how this game got rated so highly. It is completely unoriginal and definitely not an all-time great "RPG" by any means. The only redeeming quality of the title has to be voice acting and the origin stories which I found quite interesting, but nevertheless hardly original. If you're expected to soak up to and exceeding 50+ hours in this game it has to be amazing from start to finish and this game wasn't even amazing from the start. Do yourself a favour; if you don't have lots of spare time, aren't a hardcore RPG fan or enjoy having a compelling storyline in your games, stay away from this title! Play another RPG such as Fallout 3 or another BioWare offering of Mass Effect. It will be a much better use of your time.

Your point!? lol

Modifié par skylr616, 09 mars 2011 - 05:03 .

[Anguilo]

JoePilot wrote...

PressEnter
Mar 8, 2011
0
The
first game, Dragon Ageo:Origins, had it's share of problems on the
Xbox360. The combat wasn't so great. But apart from that, it was still
a solid 8/10 experience. I bought this game hoping for a refinement of
the Origins but with the issues ironed out. Instead, I played a game
that felt like it had been funded with change in EA's pocket. The areas
were re-used too much, the voice actors
were sub-par, the characters were boring, the story was dull and the
gameplay was just "Press X to win." In origins I could pick a character
of any race, and go on a sprawling adventure across the landscape. In
DA2 I walk around a desolate, barren city talkign to dull NPCs while
wishing I was playing something else. Save your money

How is this valid criticism? There is no validation of his points and a score of "0" is more than overreacted. I know people like him and others didn't get the game they wanted - but BioWare did EVERYTHING to inform people about the game and the changes from its predecessor.
If, after all you still think this game is the drizzling ****s and you don't feel it is the right game for you I truly am sorry but it is your own fault and now trying to use the online media that would've provided you the necessary information about the game(which those people ignored) to slander the devs and their work is ridiculous and stupid.

[skylr616]

Anguilo wrote...

I know people like him and others didn't get the game they wanted - but BioWare did EVERYTHING to inform people about the game and the changes from its predecessor.

I know, did anyone play the demo or read any of the pre-release information on these forums?!

holy cow, I am simply baffled by some of these other "give me my money back" threads 

This game was designed based on actual end-user data (gathered through the DAO client) rather than by online reviews and forums. This resulted in a game most people will enjoy (not just a game the loudest people on the internet will enjoy). Times... they are a' changin.

Modifié par skylr616, 09 mars 2011 - 05:11 .

[Atilius the Hun]

I don't see what the commotion is about. Meta-Critic shows an overall average reviewer rating of 8.4 from professional sites.

I've been playing the game and am enjoying it. It's nowhere near as good as DA:O or what we normally get from Bioware re: awesomeness, but a pretty good game nonetheless.

I suspect that the problem is that the weren't able to provide us with a strong sense of immersion like they do in other games. The chapter interludes are distracting and take away from the story from what I've seen so far. But the game is not awful or a failure. It's still good especially when compared to other non-Bioware RPG's, IMO.

[Aargh12]

JohnstonMR wrote...

Anyone who puts faith in reviews by anyone other than professionals needs their heads examined. The internet is full of folks who would give their own mothers a crappy review just to get themselves noticed online.

Anyone who puts faith in reviews (professional or not) should have his/her head examined. Trust yourself, not anyone else.

[moilami]

Milana_Saros wrote...

hohhoi wrote...

Yeah, just saw a Finnish magazine rate DA2 9/10, a bad review? I think not.

Pelit?

Haven't seen the review myself yet but I have great confidence in their reviewers. And many of them have played RPGs for AGES. I dare to say that they know what they are talking about.

Pelit, buh, as you might know it was specialized successor for MB, which in '80 used to have some good reviews. Novadays it is marketing talk like many other game review magazines. Fans writing "reviews" for fans.

This said, gameinformer wrote surprisingly level headed, informal, and non biased review.

[Atilius the Hun]

One more thing to clarify.

It's not that the story is bad.

It's the WAY that the story is told that is an issue to me as it interrupts immersion, IMO. The narration and between chapter cut scenes are emotionally pulling me out the sense that this is "my" hero. It's like its focused on someone else which makes me feel not so invested in the story.

We didn't get that in Origins because the Warden was me/your warden. We didn't get that in Mass Effect 1 and 2 because Sheppard was being experienced from a first person perspective. He's my/your Sheppard. Hawke on the other hand is partly yours and partly someone elses. That's how I feel when I see the chapter interludes.

[Ginen]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Shocking.

And given how early these reviews are, the worst is yet to come.

It's Final Fantasy XIII all over again. Hardly any critics have the balls to score the game based on its merits whereas all of the fans are ripping it into shreds.

On the metacritic for FF13, it still got 83%. Sure it's not the high 90s that Final Fantasy games got in Squaresoft's heyday, but a lot of games struggle to even get 75%. If there is one mark that you should care about is the score that Famitsu gave it.

Famitsu is a Japanese magazine and gave the game 39/40. That is incredible high praise. They are also very well respected and widely read. In 2010, it was voted as the best game ever in Famitsu's reader poll.

Dengeki, another Japanese magazine concluded the game deserved 120% as 100 would not be enough. The combat was considered to be most exciting in years. In 2009, Japanese fans rated FF13 as the second best game in an online Dengeki poll.

Final Fantasy 13 is a JRPG with fans who above all else crave story. FF13 has a crazy big fantastical story filled with all the strange metaphysical, mecha, anime, and big bad cutscenes--stuff that JRPG fans love. IF story is all you care about, this game will do it for you. It is not a JRPG trying the win the hearts of WRPGs fans with their broad ideas of exploration, character customization, big choices and decisions, and endless loot shuffling.

[molbani]

its just angry fans who strongly disagree with biowares changes. they cant do an objective review of the game, hence the low score, unlike the proffessional critic who arent blinded by mindless fandom and actually gave the game shot in its own right.

[CHawk15]

If there is any evidence to the fact that PC gaming is past it's prime, this is it. With Dragon Age: Origins, it was designed as a PC game first that was ported to consoles later. Dragon Age 2 appears to have been designed more for consoles and the PC gamers are quite upset about it as has been demonstrated here.

Video Game development is a business and I'm willing to bet they made a bigger profit from the console versions than the PC version, which is why DA 2 was designed more for consoles. From my perspective, the only 2 models that really work well for PCs now are MMO or Real Time Strategy Games (Starcraft II).

Personally, I played Dragon Age: Origins on the 360 and I've enjoyed it quite a bit. I played Dragon Age II for about an hour yesterday and I think the combat flows much better now. I think they should have left the Hurlock art style as they were in Origins, but that's my only real complaint so far.

[JoePilot]

Dragon Age: Origins appealed to the "old school" gamers.  It was advertised as the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate.  It was a love letter to the old D&D loving RPG purists.

These are not the type of gamers who haunt forums, read every press release and spend every waking moment keeping up with industry news.  They have jobs, wives, husbands, kids, etc.  They found something they liked in DA:O, and assumed the sequel would be similar.

It's easy to see how those same people would be taken aback by DA2, and the surprised reactions by those on these forums, and Bioware as a whole shows how out-of-touch they really are.

E for everyone except me, indeed.

[Pedrak]

The sad truth is, online user reviews in general aren't always worth that much. (Those by professionals have other problems, ex. I'm irked by the fact that they may list dozens of flaws and use a negative tone and then give to a game, say, 85%. Huh?) Unless you find someone you know and trust from past reviews (and there are a few decent reviews written by non professionals here and there), then you risk to find either trolls or fanboys who give ludicrous ratings to game they've barely started playing. All 0/10 or 10/10, yeah, sure.

Like on IMDb, everything is either "OMG PERFECT BEST EVAH!!!! LOL IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!!" or "This game is THE WORST I'VE EVER PLAYED, EVERYTHING IS JUST TERRIBLE!!". Because, of course, finding flaws in a mostly good game or virtues in a mostly bad game is too difficult and requires too much thought. The same thing happens to movies, ex. on IMDb.

As a general rule, both 0/10 and 10/10 reviews are not to be taken seriously. They just show that the reviewer has played few games and/or has little critical sense.

Hyperboles are the opposite of serious criticism.

Modifié par Pedrak, 09 mars 2011 - 05:31 .

[chester013]

I trust user reviews about as much as I would trust a fat kid to guard a chocolate cake.

[Erani]

JoePilot wrote...

Erani wrote...

WOW those 0s represent such constructive and objective criticism...

LOL, don't really care about troll reviews.

That's fine, I don't really care about sycophantic dismissal of any criticism whatsoever.

IF you had bothered to read any of the reviews, you'd see that they make valid points.

IF you had read my post you would've noticed I refer to the "0 score. Worst Game Ever" people.
IF you are saying that people who give DA2 a 0/10 make valid points...yeah..we disagree.

[Patriciachr34]

@CHawk. No its not. I do not own a console and probably never will. I love gaming on my PC as do most of my friends. They are simple different venues based on personal preference. For you, consoles my be glorious. That is your preference and it's nice you have found a venue you really enjoy.

[Silentmode]

When the average professional review score is 8.4 and average user score is that low it can only mean one thing.

TROLLS!

Seriously, wait a week for people to actually play and finish the game then overreact. I would bet a years salary the majority of the people giving DA2 0's are A) People who haven't even played it and are only rating it based on the percieved changes that have been made. Or People who played it for 10 minutes and said "I hate this. I'm going to go **** about it!" I've played 9 hours of DA2 so far and have loved it, anyone who gives the game lower than a 3 is simply a troll, its quality far exceeds that even for the most pessimistic a person.

And besides, the only review anyone should ever take into account is your own.

[Ginen]

iamzer0xx wrote...

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Shocking.

And given how early these reviews are, the worst is yet to come.

It's Final Fantasy XIII all over again. Hardly any critics have the balls to score the game based on its merits whereas all of the fans are ripping it into shreds.

Metacritic is a bad website in general. I don't think anyone really cares what they have to say..

Not true: read this http://www.computera...rotocol-sequel/

Sega West president Michael Hayes "The concept was brilliant, though," he added. "You know this whole thing with Metacritic where you have to be in the high 70s to mid-80s minimum [to have any success] - well, with RPGs you have got to be in the late 80s. Whilst we had a good game, I don't think we had a game that had enough to get us to that upper echelon and I think that was the issue."

It wasn't just poor sales. Metacritic is more powerful than you think.

[88mphSlayer]

the game would have to be getting 6's to get body slammed

8's are a slap on the wrist

[Milana_Saros]

moilami wrote...

Milana_Saros wrote...

hohhoi wrote...

Yeah, just saw a Finnish magazine rate DA2 9/10, a bad review? I think not.

Pelit?

Haven't seen the review myself yet but I have great confidence in their reviewers. And many of them have played RPGs for AGES. I dare to say that they know what they are talking about.

Pelit, buh, as you might know it was specialized successor for MB, which in '80 used to have some good reviews. Novadays it is marketing talk like many other game review magazines. Fans writing "reviews" for fans.

This said, gameinformer wrote surprisingly level headed, informal, and non biased review.

Meh I hear ya on the marketing talk stuff. Still, I trust their reviews. Might be on a bit of an upper scale at times but still it's a good guideline. Except when it comes to anything WoW ffs...It's amazing buy buy buy!!!!!!!! After all, we have done a 3 spread story of Cataclysm in 2 different issues! Boooowzzaa!

[Wygrath]

Ginen wrote...

iamzer0xx wrote...

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Shocking.

And given how early these reviews are, the worst is yet to come.

It's Final Fantasy XIII all over again. Hardly any critics have the balls to score the game based on its merits whereas all of the fans are ripping it into shreds.

Metacritic is a bad website in general. I don't think anyone really cares what they have to say..

Not true: read this http://www.computera...rotocol-sequel/

Sega West president Michael Hayes "The concept was brilliant, though," he added. "You know this whole thing with Metacritic where you have to be in the high 70s to mid-80s minimum [to have any success] - well, with RPGs you have got to be in the late 80s. Whilst we had a good game, I don't think we had a game that had enough to get us to that upper echelon and I think that was the issue."

It wasn't just poor sales. Metacritic is more powerful than you think.

Metacritic is powerful for simple-minded pleebs that need others to tell them what to think and how to think it. Who cares what a reviewer says, professional or otherwise. 

If you like the game, play it. If not go away so that those of us that want to actually discuss the damn game can do so without wading through pointless crap like this.

[moilami]

molbani wrote...

its just angry fans who strongly disagree with biowares changes. they cant do an objective review of the game, hence the low score, unlike the proffessional critic who arent blinded by mindless fandom and actually gave the game shot in its own right.

There is a reason why I don't play puzzle games or platform jumpers. The reason is I don't like them, and if I read a review I want to know in detail how various areas of the game has been made. I don't want to read "omg this game is so cool, if you press spacebar your toon will jump! gameplay is also so much better now, my toon runs faster!!1111".

So I wont play Super Mario Bros in its "own right" and I would refuse to write a review of it since I would not have a clue what makes a good platform jumper. But RPGs are another story.

[DTKT]

Wygrath wrote...

Ginen wrote...

iamzer0xx wrote...

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Shocking.

And given how early these reviews are, the worst is yet to come.

It's Final Fantasy XIII all over again. Hardly any critics have the balls to score the game based on its merits whereas all of the fans are ripping it into shreds.

Metacritic is a bad website in general. I don't think anyone really cares what they have to say..

Not true: read this http://www.computera...rotocol-sequel/

Sega West president Michael Hayes "The concept was brilliant, though," he added. "You know this whole thing with Metacritic where you have to be in the high 70s to mid-80s minimum [to have any success] - well, with RPGs you have got to be in the late 80s. Whilst we had a good game, I don't think we had a game that had enough to get us to that upper echelon and I think that was the issue."

It wasn't just poor sales. Metacritic is more powerful than you think.

Metacritic is powerful for simple-minded pleebs that need others to tell them what to think and how to think it. Who cares what a reviewer says, professional or otherwise. 

If you like the game, play it. If not go away so that those of us that want to actually discuss the damn game can do so without wading through pointless crap like this.

A high metacritic rating is extremly important to publishers. 

While it's not always accurate, dismissing it when it's one of the first thing publishers look at is not too bright.

You can bet someone at Bioware is looking at why it's rated almost 11-12 points lower than ME2 or DAO. If that impacts sales, you bet questions will be asked by EA and someone at Bioware will have to answer them. 

[Kasumimi]

It's a raid from 4chan video game section /v/. The game is not a masterpiece but it's really good. All the hate is unjustified.

*Edit: I'm too slow, people beat me to it in the first pages of the thread

Modifié par Kasumimi, 09 mars 2011 - 05:42 .

[bluecapsule6]

The game is obviously much better than a 3/10 (current user score on metacritic), but I think it's also pretty obvious that Bioware/EA managed to ****** a lot of previous fans off with DA2.