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[The Elder King]

eldav wrote...

....just like ME2

Do you mean the user review, right?

[PhrosniteAgainROFL]

colata wrote...

They say how professional reviewers are bought out all the time,

but hey, those editors review or play much more games good or bad and they quite possibly know their way around rating games with relatively objective? system.

So those incredibly low score user review without solid explanation is complete nonsense.,.,

I never trust USER's SCORES. As far as I am concerned they don't even exist.

[IAmTheVoid]

Vahe wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/HoeeH.jpg

lol

Now that is some hilarious trolling. Good post, sir, good post.

[Vizkos]

Icinix wrote...

FedericoV wrote...

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Shocking.

And given how early these reviews are, the worst is yet to come.

It's Final Fantasy XIII all over again. Hardly any critics have the balls to score the game based on its merits whereas all of the fans are ripping it into shreds.

It's a blatant raid for the L0LZ. I've yet to decide who is responsible for this. Banned Bioware forumite? RPG Codex deluded trolls? Mike? A combination of those?

Don't know what Bioware should make out of it.

 *mumble* you forgot - 

*cough* CD Projekt RED
*cough* Blizzard
*cough* Bethesda

In all serious..like Woo said...it's initial reaction regardless...both positive and negative...let it settle for a few weeks and they'll get a better idea of the general consensus and where the issues are.

Uh, two of those devs you listed have seen plenty of trolling.

Bethesda, trolled for making Fallout basically a replica of Oblivion gameplay.
Blizzard, for bringing so many changes to Starcraft and flooding it with their achievements, ruining custom maps, etc etc.  So, this trolling is no different than others, nobody is a saint and you always ****** someone off.  I agree that DA2 is a radical change from Origins, but spamming a review site is not the answer.  Heck, I've taken about 10 screenshots of the review page, and some people are even posting their BS again after it got deleted...like 4 times.  This is the **** that gives us who are genuinely voicing our irks a bad rep.

[Sakanade]

tulx wrote...

Slamming? A metascore of 84. That's "Generally favorable".
Or did you mean the user reviews? You actually listen to people from the internet?  In that case....sorry.

Haha what?

and you yourself are believing the online critics?


In that case... sorry

[Perfect-Kenshin]

I agree that some of those reviews are obviously just there for lulz, but I wouldn't be so quick as to dismiss all of them in such a fashion. One could just as easily make the same conclusion based on some of the positive reviews. Given the similar negative reaction on other forums, I don't think we can sell it off as one massive elaborate plan set out by /v/ either.

Alot of those problems which people have seem to be coming from actual people with actual concerns whereas it's easy to filter the out the "this game sucks x 1000" reviews.

Modifié par Perfect-Kenshin, 09 mars 2011 - 10:16 .

[17thknight]

Malja wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

I've heard 4chan was responsible for this.

You're not the only one. I wouldn't doubt it, but I also don't really feel it was them. If they did though... hahah.

Are you people kidding me? Is THIS how you treat actual criticism of the game?

There's 200 reviews on meta, if it was a freaking raid there'd be tens of thousands.

[Icinix]

Prosthetics511 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

FedericoV wrote...

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Shocking.

And given how early these reviews are, the worst is yet to come.

It's Final Fantasy XIII all over again. Hardly any critics have the balls to score the game based on its merits whereas all of the fans are ripping it into shreds.

It's a blatant raid for the L0LZ. I've yet to decide who is responsible for this. Banned Bioware forumite? RPG Codex deluded trolls? Mike? A combination of those?

Don't know what Bioware should make out of it.

 *mumble* you forgot - 

*cough* CD Projekt RED
*cough* Blizzard
*cough* Bethesda

In all serious..like Woo said...it's initial reaction regardless...both positive and negative...let it settle for a few weeks and they'll get a better idea of the general consensus and where the issues are.

Uh, two of those devs you listed have seen plenty of trolling.

Bethesda, trolled for making Fallout basically a replica of Oblivion gameplay.
Blizzard, for bringing so many changes to Starcraft and flooding it with their achievements, ruining custom maps, etc etc.  So, this trolling is no different than others, nobody is a saint and you always ****** someone off.  I agree that DA2 is a radical change from Origins, but spamming a review site is not the answer.  Heck, I've taken about 10 screenshots of the review page, and some people are even posting their BS again after it got deleted...like 4 times.  This is the **** that gives us who are genuinely voicing our irks a bad rep.

I posted that dev list for lol's...as if they were spamming the page to drive down reviews..

I am deeply sorry..and moved by your touching response. I allowed myself a moment of humour in these crazy topsy turvy times. Please, I beg your forgiveness...

*sulks from thread*

[Buffy-Summers]

Yes, all the bad scores have nothing to do with the stream lining of features, linear game play, and less then epic story. It has to be some vast anti bioware conspiracy

[eldav]

no i mean how ME2 was watered down

[silver-crescent]

Buffy-Summers wrote...

Yes, all the bad scores have nothing to do with the stream lining of features, linear game play, and less then epic story. It has to be some vast anti bioware conspiracy

I don't think anyone's saying the critic reviews are unwarranted. Just the trollorific slew of 0/10 user scores

[sassperella]

there is only one critic.... me. If I like it then that's great, if I don't I'll move on and play something else. Reviews are subjective and open to abuse, I get my copy in a few hours (finally !) then I'll decide for myself.

[SorrowAndJoy7]

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

83% on Xbox360
84% on PC
83% on SP3

And there aren't even 30 review for each. The score might even drop to 80%

Until I play the game I won't be freaking out. Darksiders has 83%, Dungeon Siege 2 has 81% and I love those games.

For 360 and PS3 that isn't very far off what Origins got... PC is lower from the 91 it got, but really it's the only one... and the reasons for that are understandable, they did some things aimed more at consoles which in turn made it a bit less PC friendly dropping that rating.

[Kamikazi117]

Yes, but it's mostly butthurt PC/ hard core RPG gamers, which was expected.

[FDrage]

Sakanade wrote...

tulx wrote...

Slamming? A metascore of 84. That's "Generally favorable".
Or did you mean the user reviews? You actually listen to people from the internet?  In that case....sorry.

Haha what?

and you yourself are believing the online critics?


In that case... sorry

But on the other side you are saying that you believe "fans" where you have absolutelt no idea if they are geniuing fans (even if the dislike it) or people who dislike bioware/ea or dislike anything clasified as "RPG" or not ? "Fan" you probably don't even know and have no idea of their track record (of what they general like in game styles or not)?

I'm personally not perticlar always in favor of these online critics as you clasify them either, as they seem sometimes way of their mark interms of what I like and either look at a game without having played it much, critize it because they dislike a specific genre and are general full of mistakes or complety the other way around, praising everything and mentioning problems (and each game has problems ... that is just the nature of things) at a glance or not at all.
But saying that "fan" reviews that are slaming it are suddenly more valid then "ionline critic" reviews sounds a bit weird. Specifically as those that are enjoying the game at the moment probably won't spend much time posting about it online.

Kamikazi117 wrote...

Yes, but it's mostly butthurt PC/ hard core RPG gamers, which was expected.

Which of course makes their critizismn all of a sudden invalid ? 

Modifié par FDrage, 09 mars 2011 - 10:22 .

[woods26]

Kamikazi117 wrote...

Yes, but it's mostly butthurt PC/ hard core RPG gamers, which was expected.

HAHA. I've been waiting for this pic.

[FedericoV]

CrusaderBlade wrote...

Is it really so hard to believe that a lot of people are disappointed with this game?  I know I am.  And it doesn't make me angry, it just makes me sad.  I even played through Origins a fourth time out of anticipation.  And what did I get at the store yesterday?  A half-baked combat system, some questionable design choices (why is everything so pointy now?), and a bunch of bugs and glitches.

Yes, it's hard to believe such a strem of review only hours after the game was published. If you believe in their honesty you have to be naive or in confirmation bias.

I'm pretty sure that 90% of the very negative review were written by the same few persons who have a) pirated the game  not played the game and c) allready decided that the game was going to suck.

At least, they should have waited some hours before publishing all this "review". Read those negative "reviews", no one is making some intelligent/constructive criticism, they are only repeting all the the same old troll slogan that we have read here for the last 2 years.

Having said that, I'm not saying that it does say something about the quality of the game. The game could be good, bad or mediocre. I'm reading very polirizing review from players and critics alike. One thing is sure: DA2 is not a game that is raising universal consensus like ME2 and at the same time the global design of the game has angered a significant part of the DAO's fanbase.

But speaking of those customer reviews, I don't believe that Bioware could make anything with them.

[Ironfungus]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Shocking.

And given how early these reviews are, the worst is yet to come.

It's Final Fantasy XIII all over again. Hardly any critics have the balls to score the game based on its merits whereas all of the fans are ripping it into shreds.

Anyone who draws their conclusions based on a [likely] paid-off critic is nothing short of a moron. No, this is not Final Fantasy XIII. The media can be easily controlled, and these critics' low comprehension doesn't help the situation. Oh well, Gamespot rated Legend of Dragoon a 6.4 out of 10, and I still hold that game as one of the best RPGs ever made.

The fact of the matter is that reviews are there to present facts. If the reviewer has an opinion, take it lightly. Kevin Van'Ord on Gamespot for example likes to count his opinions as "the bad", like in his review for Dragon Age 2 where he brings out the point: "Main story lacks focus and drive". Opinions like these shouldn't count towards the "bad" of a game. Only certain hard evidence, like technical issues such as frame rate.

The only thing I'm not liking so far (just picked up Merril) is how dumbed down some of the game has become. Like crafting for example, or equipment on your party members. Or just talking to them no matter where you are, rather than having to go to their homes to have conversations (although it probably does make a little more sense for private conversations). It's not game-breaking, though, just kinda irks me.

Modifié par Ironfungus, 09 mars 2011 - 10:25 .

[Vizkos]

Icinix wrote...

I posted that dev list for lol's...as if they were spamming the page to drive down reviews..

I am deeply sorry..and moved by your touching response. I allowed myself a moment of humour in these crazy topsy turvy times. Please, I beg your forgiveness...

*sulks from thread*

You are free to bask in my greatness.

[Kamikazi117]

It's not like their complaining is going to do anything to change the game, maybe the next one. At most they're persuading susceptive minds that can't decide for themselves.

Modifié par Kamikazi117, 09 mars 2011 - 10:26 .

[Darji]

You guys can think of these reviews what you want but fact is its Biowares worst rated Big RPG game ever. And there are many reasons for this. And personally Bioware deserves these scores for dumbing down the whole RPG genre since Kotor.

Maybe they will now wake up and try to produce quality and epic real RPG games after Mass effect 3.

Modifié par Darji, 09 mars 2011 - 10:27 .

[SurpriseButtsecks]

Honestly, I'd love to help out BioWare but I'm not forking over $60 for dumbed down console ****. I will still play the game but I'm not paying for it.

[sassperella]

Darji wrote...

You guys can think of these reviews what you want but fact is its Biowares worst rated Big RPG game ever. And there are many reasons for this. And personally Bioware deserves these scores for dumbing down the whole RPG genre since Kotor.

Maybe they will now wake up and try to produce quality and epic real RPG games after Mass effect 3.

More likely EA will pull the plug if it does badly and decide rpgs are dead.

[FedericoV]

Buffy-Summers wrote...

Yes, all the bad scores have nothing to do with the stream lining of features, linear game play, and less then epic story. It has to be some vast anti bioware conspiracy

It's not vast by any means. 200 interent review is nothing. If I had nothing to do like them, I could write 50 review by myself. The credibility of this customer reveiw is discredited by the simple fact that they were mostly published hours after the publication of the game.

No one is saying that DA2 is a critical success. It clearly ain't so. But not for the reason those hardcore gamers are claiming important. Not at all. The lack of an epic overall story was one of the reason because so called hardcore gamers have mocked Bioware games for YEARS. So, it has nothing to do with that trend. 

[Perfect-Kenshin]

FedericoV wrote...

CrusaderBlade wrote...

Is it really so hard to believe that a lot of people are disappointed with this game?  I know I am.  And it doesn't make me angry, it just makes me sad.  I even played through Origins a fourth time out of anticipation.  And what did I get at the store yesterday?  A half-baked combat system, some questionable design choices (why is everything so pointy now?), and a bunch of bugs and glitches.

Yes, it's hard to believe such a strem of review only hours after the game was published. If you believe in their honesty you have to be naive or in confirmation bias.

I'm pretty sure that 90% of the very negative review were written by the same few persons who have a) pirated the game  not played the game and c) allready decided that the game was going to suck.

At least, they should have waited some hours before publishing all this "review". Read those negative "reviews", no one is making some intelligent/constructive criticism, they are only repeting all the the same old troll slogan that we have read here for the last 2 years.

Having said that, I'm not saying that it does say something about the quality of the game. The game could be good, bad or mediocre. I'm reading very polirizing review from players and critics alike. One thing is sure: DA2 is not a game that is raising universal consensus like ME2 and at the same time the global design of the game has angered a significant part of the DAO's fanbase.

But speaking of those customer reviews, I don't believe that Bioware could make anything with them.

We've had a massive amount of people on this forum already complete the game based on many factors. It's not to hard to believe that a similar number of people (not necessarily even from this forum) could post a review by now.