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[SurpriseButtsecks]

woods26 wrote...

To me it's just a game.

For BioWare employees the games pay the bills and feed their children. There is a world outside of your bubble. Did you know?

[woods26]

SurpriseButtsecks wrote...

woods26 wrote...

To me it's just a game.

For BioWare employees the games pay the bills and feed their children. There is a world outside of your bubble. Did you know?

Arguing for the sake of arguing?I'm not going to be dragged into a silly debate over something as trivial as a videogame.

Modifié par woods26, 09 mars 2011 - 11:02 .

[Darji]

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

Getting back to the OP tho - all Stanley Woo said was that feedback will be more constructive after everyone's had a couple of weeks with the game.

Less angry trolling and fanboy love. Seems sensible to me

Its not because people who hated this game or had negative feedback will be gone. In 2 weeks max people in here will be people who liked the game not people who hated it.

The best feedback you can get is

1. After the release so that would be now.

2. After an announcement of a game or a sequel etc. which is still a year or so away.  Then people will tell you what  went wrong with the last game and what they should do better.

For the later one. Biowar did not listen at all at this is the result.

[Icinix]

@ Darji...I disagree that "After the release..." is the best time...

a couple of weeks before you start analyzing is good. It means its released globally..given plenty of people time to run through the game at least once...you've got regular gamers getting into it..not just the early birds and pre-orders..

There is too much fire in the bellies of gamers immediately after release. Give it time to settle down...the pros and cons will start to take more substantial shape, the criticism becomes more constructive, the initial passion beings to wear off and people can look at it and start to form ideas about WHY they liked / or didn't like the game.

As for the "In 2 weeks max people in here will be people who liked the game not hated it..."...clearly you haven't had a look in the ME2 forums....more than a year after release and there is still passionate and intelligent debates about game mechanics raging. There is just less abuse than the initial launch.

[MDarwin]

Darji wrote...

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

Getting back to the OP tho - all Stanley Woo said was that feedback will be more constructive after everyone's had a couple of weeks with the game.

Less angry trolling and fanboy love. Seems sensible to me

Its not because people who hated this game or had negative feedback will be gone. In 2 weeks max people in here will be people who liked the game not people who hated it.

The best feedback you can get is

1. After the release so that would be now.

2. After an announcement of a game or a sequel etc. which is still a year or so away.  Then people will tell you what  went wrong with the last game and what they should do better.

For the later one. Biowar did not listen at all at this is the result.

The "casual Gamers" who feel that they got "rolled" will not return, to give a "calm What went wrong" comment. They will move on to the next game and I guess, maybe avoid any future BW game.

Who knows?

[Painronamic]

sassperella wrote...

I don't have the game yet, I'm in Aus so can't comment on my view of the game. However, I think it's more a case of will the amount of new players outweigh the amount of disgruntled DA:O fans? The people that come to the forums are only a miniscule sample of the player base and a lot of them are also biased because they are so in love with DA:O and this game is quite a change.
There is also rumour of /v/ trolling the forums and metacritic in large numbers.

A lot of this will settle down and they'll be able to see what is negative feedback and what is blatant trolling in a few weeks. Also they'll be able to see the initial sales figures and see how that stands too.
The rantings of a few disgruntled or trolling forum goers hides the genuine concern posts and also makes it hard for them to judge which is true disappointment in the game and what is a baseless attack.
Many games get this sort of response at release on forums, that's why they wait for the initial flaming to die down to see how it's really received by all the buyers rather than just the initial few that post.

I would like to point out that some people *cough cough* correction ALOT of people actually preordered the game digitally before knowing about the core game play changes to the game itself so sales might not actually be the best representation of how many people actually like the game  

[Abanor 21]

I think I must be getting way too old. Back in my day a "bad" review for a game was when it scored well below the 65/100 mark and not when they basically got a "distiction" worthy score.

Change is the only constant, cept on the interweb apparently.

A whiner's gonna whine,
A hater's gonna hate,
but a player's gonna play...

[daywalker03]

Painronamic wrote...


I would like to point out that some people *cough cough* correction ALOT of people actually preordered the game digitally before knowing about the core game play changes to the game itself so sales might not actually be the best representation of how many people actually like the game  

How so, since we've known about them since at least just before Gamescon?

[Suron]

yep that post of his was laughable.

if it was getting stellar reviews across the board and had NOTHING BUT PRAISE..he'd of posted how thankful he was for everyones opinion and love for the game.

but because there are negative ones out there...it's "reactionary"

ok Mr. Woo. Whatever you want to tell yourself there buddy boy.

[Morning808]

looks like someone can't read

[Suron]

daywalker03 wrote...

Painronamic wrote...


I would like to point out that some people *cough cough* correction ALOT of people actually preordered the game digitally before knowing about the core game play changes to the game itself so sales might not actually be the best representation of how many people actually like the game  

How so, since we've known about them since at least just before Gamescon?

because some people don't like to be spoiled.  I purposely didn't follow Origins.  almost at all.  I'd check in on something here and there..look at a few screenshots..but overall I went into Origins only knowing the Darkspawn were corrupted and the "name" Grey Wardens.

Becuase it was a BioWare game I bought it..cause I support them and loved just about everything they've ever done.

So based off their love for Origins...some people pre-ordered it because it was the sequel and avoided anything about it.

But that's too hard for you to comprehend I suppose.  Because since spoilers and info was given EVERYONE must have been following it right? amirite?

and before you say it, no it isn't "their fault" for not spoiling themselves.

[Shadowcran]

In all honesty, to an outside observer, it looks like all this negative feedback is a little....manufactured.

It seems to be the same complaints, delivered in a trollish, schoolboy manner. Once a new complaint comes across, existing trolls take that and add to their rants. What does this mean?

That they have no opinion other than negative or one that they've adopted as their own without thinking.

Truthfully, it's starting to look like an all out attack by a rival company or at least the "Online society of ****ing Experts". You could give them Eden, and they'd complain about the lack of concrete.

What's silly about these gripes is how soon they've come out. This tells a reader that A) They didn't play through the game thoroughly They had their **** statements ready before the game even came out and C) They have all the attention span of a fruit fly with only one day to be born, live and die.

[Apollo Starflare]

Abanor 21 wrote...

I think I must be getting way too old. Back in my day a "bad" review for a game was when it scored well below the 65/100 mark and not when they basically got a "distiction" worthy score.

Change is the only constant, cept on the interweb apparently.

A whiner's gonna whine,
A hater's gonna hate,
but a player's gonna play...

This.

[17thknight]

Shadowcran wrote...

It seems to be the same complaints

So that probably means that there's some legitimacy to the complaints. Hint: Most of these same complaints are in the myriad professional reviews. But you're right, Game Informer is just a troll too (their reviewer of DA2, who savaged the PC version, reveiewed all 3 versions of DA:O and DA2. He gave DA:O 9/10). But yup ,just a troll.

Shadowcran wrote....

Truthfully, it's starting to look like an all out attack by a rival company or at least the "Online society of ****ing Experts". You could give them Eden, and they'd complain about the lack of concrete.

That's right, it's a conpsirrrrrrrrracy! (Gamespot's user reviews are hovering in the low 7's, I bet they're all part of the evil conpsiracy too)

Shadowcran wrote...
What's silly about these gripes is how soon they've come out. This tells a reader that A) They didn't play through the game thoroughly They had their **** statements ready before the game even came out and C) They have all the attention span of a fruit fly with only one day to be born, live and die.

It tells you that the problems are systemic and obvious from the get-go. You don't need to play long into the game to realize that the save-import feature is bugged, there is no isometric camera, the male hawke's voice acting is abhorrently bad, several areas are copy-pasted.

[Marionetten]

Hubris is an ugly thing.

[Rockworm503]

BIO18 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
Honestly, I think it's still too early to tell. Right now, we're getting reactionary feedback. Over the next couple of weeks, this will change from gut-reaction hyperbole to people taking the time to give us more detail and specifics about what they liked and didn't like.

So for Stanley Woo the only reviews worth listening are the positive ones .
So all the feedback we're giving back now is useless ? Its just reaction ? A lot of people have made very good reviews and given their opinion in a very constructive matter . But they don't count ?
So you are just going to wait for all the bad comments to go away ? And then just take all the good ones ?
Not considering these comments , that you call "reactions" is very narrow minded !

This post is exactly what their talking about.
You are being very reactionary to what Stanley said and it sounds like Hyperbole to me.

[shaneho78]

Early negative reviews are from those who

1) played and hated the demo but yet to play the full game
2) rated the game based on hearsay / preconceptions
3) played early portions of the full game (which admittedly is a bit of a grind) and hated it
4) simply trolls

When more of those who actually finished the game rate it, the reviews would be more balanced.

[Shadowcran]

17thknight wrote...

Shadowcran wrote...

It seems to be the same complaints

So that probably means that there's some legitimacy to the complaints. Hint: Most of these same complaints are in the myriad professional reviews. But you're right, Game Informer is just a troll too (their reviewer of DA2, who savaged the PC version, reveiewed all 3 versions of DA:O and DA2. He gave DA:O 9/10). But yup ,just a troll.

Shadowcran wrote....

Truthfully, it's starting to look like an all out attack by a rival company or at least the "Online society of ****ing Experts". You could give them Eden, and they'd complain about the lack of concrete.

That's right, it's a conpsirrrrrrrrracy! (Gamespot's user reviews are hovering in the low 7's, I bet they're all part of the evil conpsiracy too)

Shadowcran wrote...
What's silly about these gripes is how soon they've come out. This tells a reader that A) They didn't play through the game thoroughly They had their **** statements ready before the game even came out and C) They have all the attention span of a fruit fly with only one day to be born, live and die.

It tells you that the problems are systemic and obvious from the get-go. You don't need to play long into the game to realize that the save-import feature is bugged, there is no isometric camera, the male hawke's voice acting is abhorrently bad, several areas are copy-pasted.

The way I worded my post, the only type of person who would take offense would be a trolling gripefest with a madon. What's the matter? Did Bioware forget to plate your CD with gold? Did Bioware not include your suggestion that everything be as YOU like it? Do you need sympathy?

If you want sympathy, look between **** and syphillis in the dictionary.

Your posts smack of a petulant child ranting because his new toy isn't exactly what he/she wanted. Since it's also soon after the game's release, it also tells me you know nothing of which you speak and just couldn't wait for your opinion to be heard. Guess what? I've heard it and it's a crock. Also guess what? You can't change my opinions on what you're doing.

[Rockworm503]

SurpriseButtsecks wrote...

woods26 wrote...

To me it's just a game.

For BioWare employees the games pay the bills and feed their children. There is a world outside of your bubble. Did you know?

Well in that case anyone who doesn't buy this game are unfeeling monsters who want these guys and their children to go homeless.
For shame anyone who aren't even gamers for being so greedy!!

[17thknight]

Shadowcran wrote..

The way I worded my post, the only type of person who would take offense would be a trolling gripefest with a madon. What's the matter? Did Bioware forget to plate your CD with gold? Did Bioware not include your suggestion that everything be as YOU like it? Do you need sympathy?

If you want sympathy, look between **** and syphillis in the dictionary.

Your posts smack of a petulant child ranting because his new toy isn't exactly what he/she wanted. Since it's also soon after the game's release, it also tells me you know nothing of which you speak and just couldn't wait for your opinion to be heard. Guess what? I've heard it and it's a crock. Also guess what? You can't change my opinions on what you're doing.

Hahaha, where did you even get that I was offended? Calm down, psycho, people are allowed to criticize the game without you getting your panties in a twist.

Man oh man, what a vehemently violent way to respond to a rational post. Take your meds and step away from the keyboard.

[Shadowcran]

And yet you continue to show how big of an oaf you are. While you're here, posting your venom on the forums, your town is in dire need of it's village idiot, so you'd better start drooling or they'll replace you.

I can just picture you now...lips pouting out, sour expression on your face and wishing you could gripe to "mommy' or 'daddy' that some "bad people" are disagreeing with your 12 year old rants.

[Ostagar2011]

Shadowcran wrote...

In all honesty, to an outside observer, it looks like all this negative feedback is a little....manufactured.

It seems to be the same complaints, delivered in a trollish, schoolboy manner. Once a new complaint comes across, existing trolls take that and add to their rants. What does this mean?

What's silly about these gripes is how soon they've come out. This tells a reader that A) They didn't play through the game thoroughly They had their **** statements ready before the game even came out and C) They have all the attention span of a fruit fly with only one day to be born, live and die.

Er, it's a little hard to make long, detailed posts in places like metacritic. tl;dr syndrome. So you get the key message across. There's a lot of anger around, which translates in schoolboy-ish rants. It seemed for a moment that BioWare was doing two product separate product lines: ME2 for the casuals, DA for the core base. Then you see that everything is for the casuals, the two product lines are now: Casual (sci-fi) and Casual (high fantasy). So if you're in the core base, you might be inclined to put some strong words down on metacritic.

As to why so soon? Well the game was leaked on Saturday, and by Sunday a lot of people I know already had the hero of Kirkwall achievement. Most people seem to be done by about 23 hours or so - this is not the 60 hour epic that was Origins.

[Rockworm503]

Suron wrote...

daywalker03 wrote...

Painronamic wrote...


I would like to point out that some people *cough cough* correction ALOT of people actually preordered the game digitally before knowing about the core game play changes to the game itself so sales might not actually be the best representation of how many people actually like the game  

How so, since we've known about them since at least just before Gamescon?

because some people don't like to be spoiled.  I purposely didn't follow Origins.  almost at all.  I'd check in on something here and there..look at a few screenshots..but overall I went into Origins only knowing the Darkspawn were corrupted and the "name" Grey Wardens.

Becuase it was a BioWare game I bought it..cause I support them and loved just about everything they've ever done.

So based off their love for Origins...some people pre-ordered it because it was the sequel and avoided anything about it.

But that's too hard for you to comprehend I suppose.  Because since spoilers and info was given EVERYONE must have been following it right? amirite?

and before you say it, no it isn't "their fault" for not spoiling themselves.

It was pretty easy for myself to read info on the game without getting any spoilers /shrug

[17thknight]

Shadowcran wrote...

And yet you continue to show how big of an oaf you are. While you're here, posting your venom on the forums, your town is in dire need of it's village idiot, so you'd better start drooling or they'll replace you.

I can just picture you now...lips pouting out, sour expression on your face and wishing you could gripe to "mommy' or 'daddy' that some "bad people" are disagreeing with your 12 year old rants.

Haha, sure thing brosef. You are one angry little conspiracy theorist.

[MikeSunrider]

BIO18 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
Honestly, I think it's still too early to tell. Right now, we're getting reactionary feedback. Over the next couple of weeks, this will change from gut-reaction hyperbole to people taking the time to give us more detail and specifics about what they liked and didn't like.

So for Stanley Woo the only reviews worth listening are the positive ones .
So all the feedback we're giving back now is useless ? Its just reaction ? A lot of people have made very good reviews and given their opinion in a very constructive matter . But they don't count ?
So you are just going to wait for all the bad comments to go away ? And then just take all the good ones ?
Not considering these comments , that you call "reactions" is very narrow minded !

You are interpreting it incorrectly. If Stanley Woo wasn't being hypocritical when making that statement (and I doubt that he is a hypocrite) his statement still rings true for even the positive reviews. Notice how he also specifically said: ' About what they liked and didn't like,'  that means both negative and positive comments/reviews. 

I remember when I first borrowed Mass Effect 2 from a friend. I was absolutely revolted by it while I was a big supporter of Mass Effect 1. A second time I played it though, I was able to appreciate the game, regardless of still having complaints about certain directions the series was going to.