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[Rockworm503]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 09 mars 2011 - 05:54 .

[alexmasterson123]

Damn... these forums need to be nuked from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure.

[Ace Attorney]

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

Getting back to the OP tho - all Stanley Woo said was that feedback will be more constructive after everyone's had a couple of weeks with the game.

Less angry trolling and fanboy love. Seems sensible to me

This, a thousand times this.

[Dubya75]

BIO18 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
Honestly, I think it's still too early to tell. Right now, we're getting reactionary feedback. Over the next couple of weeks, this will change from gut-reaction hyperbole to people taking the time to give us more detail and specifics about what they liked and didn't like.

So for Stanley Woo the only reviews worth listening are the positive ones .
So all the feedback we're giving back now is useless ? Its just reaction ? A lot of people have made very good reviews and given their opinion in a very constructive matter . But they don't count ?
So you are just going to wait for all the bad comments to go away ? And then just take all the good ones ?
Not considering these comments , that you call "reactions" is very narrow minded !

Did you miss the part where Stanley mentioned "reactionary feedback"? This can be translated into "emotional", "overreacting" or "ranting" feedback (imo).
People need a bit of time to collect their thoughts, play the game and then when they've all got their **** together then we can talk and discuss the game like civil human beings.

[IAmTheVoid]

No, what Woo meant was that we're getting instantaneous knee-jerk reactions; the good ones are just about as reliable as the bad ones (that is to say, not at all). After a month, we'll actually see the actual, slightly more considered feedback. Well, you'd hope, wouldn't you?

[KenKenpachi]

Honestly it seems most Bad Reviews are coming from fanbased ones who are Fanatic PC gamers. And it seems most System magazines love it. Which is the bigger Market? Outside of Europe at least.

[Derax]

 Too early to tell? THis game consits only of 30 hours of gameplay ..... 

[DonniexxDarko]

This game is very disappointing and I see where the anger is coming from - be it constructive criticism or not.

If you like it fine, but there are a lot of people who feel cheated - Bioware I've played your games since BG, but DA2 is an epic fail.

They got lucky with Mass Effect 2, people were willing to overlook the shortcomings and feautues they blatantly took OUT because it was such a good overall game.

So what do they do? They take away features yet again, masquerade it as "streamlining" and release it as a sequel - and it didnt work this time. Games are suppose to get MORE advance in progression of their chronological order - not dumbed down.

I'm sorry but the 'tap tap tap tap tap tap' of the 'A' button is not an RPG gaming experiance - and if this was your attempt to please console gamers, then you have woefully been mistaken.

We want a decent RPG game, not a hack and slash.

Your actors in this are also monotonous and wooden, I could barley watch at times.

Modifié par DonniexxDarko, 09 mars 2011 - 01:25 .

[AkiKishi]

DonniexxDarko wrote...

This game is very disappointing and I see where the anger is coming from - be it constructive criticism or not.

If you like it fine, but there are a lot of people who feel cheated - Bioware I've played your games since BG, but DA2 is an epic fail.

They got lucky with Mass Effect 2, people were willing to overlook the shortcomings and feautues they blatantly took OUT because it was such a good overall game.

So what do they do? They take away features, masquerade it as "streamlining" and release it as a sequel - and it didnt work this time. Games are suppose to get MORE advance in progression of their chronological order - not dumbed down.

I'm sorry but the 'tap tap tap tap tap tap' of the 'A' button is not an RPG gaming experiance - and if this was your attempt to please console gamers, then you have woefully been mistaken.

We want a decent RPG game, not a hack and slash.

Your actors in this are also monotonous and wooden, I could barley watch at times.

Well the fact that outside of the plot planets everything in ME1 was the same helped. And they never changed the underlying design of the game, still 1 human protagonist, still the same wheel.

In DA2 they have ripped out most of the stuff and replaced it with other stuff.

[Tamcia]

17thknight wrote...

Shadowcran wrote..

The way I worded my post, the only type of person who would take offense would be a trolling gripefest with a madon. What's the matter? Did Bioware forget to plate your CD with gold? Did Bioware not include your suggestion that everything be as YOU like it? Do you need sympathy?

If you want sympathy, look between **** and syphillis in the dictionary.

Your posts smack of a petulant child ranting because his new toy isn't exactly what he/she wanted. Since it's also soon after the game's release, it also tells me you know nothing of which you speak and just couldn't wait for your opinion to be heard. Guess what? I've heard it and it's a crock. Also guess what? You can't change my opinions on what you're doing.

Hahaha, where did you even get that I was offended? Calm down, psycho, people are allowed to criticize the game without you getting your panties in a twist.

Man oh man, what a vehemently violent way to respond to a rational post. Take your meds and step away from the keyboard.

You should step away. You've been trolling for hours now. Yeah, anyone can take a look at stuff you post from your profile and you are just spilling hate and crap all over the place. Yuo didn't even play the game (oh you did? register your copy no? you don't want to? you're counter culture? so cool? you're my hero!). Using sarcasm and irony to mask lack of  arguments. In threads that have one topic you still go around ****ing about the game. You got sand in your.... (I think you are smart enough to deduct what word is missing right? after all your IQ must be over 9000). I mean its ok to be a hater right? As long as you call it constructive criticism? Dam man, you must be num 1 source of feedback here. Oh whats that? I'm a fanboy? DAYUM. I must be a fanboy of other games as well, since I posted something rational that is postive on the games I played: Total War series, Witcher series, Assassins Creed series, CoD, BF, WAR40k, ME series, CIV, CoH, ARMA, DS, GTA, L4D, Stronghold, NWN, Diablo, WiC, RF, HoI, SOTS, EVE, DF, SC series - I mean ****, I must be the number 1 fanboy of all games, because I posted something postive and criticised people whom I believe (with freakin good reason) are just trolling and venting hate with no arguments, no usefull feedback as to why. 

 Did you play DA2? Did you play DA:O? Must be so hard to register. Oh yeah, it MUST be true since you are saying it, so let me just issues a new law in North Korea here, since I am the president you know, must be true since its on the interwebz. Also I was paid by BW and EA obviously. 

Yawn. Sigh. Irony, sarcasm, pitty the fool, insult my IQ, make up a mental disease I have, how I don't have a life, how I'm just facerolling the keyboard while typing this stuff with rage in my eyes, foam in my mouth, that should be familiar no? All those years under that bridge, experience man experience. Must be lvl 36 or smth, unless you take vacations. I"M soooo angry atm, just you can feel the pleasure how you pissd someone off and this self rightiousess feeling of superirioty must be exilirating! 

Yeah, I've got a repsone to your response, since I like to respond, and let me give you a hint - its one word, starts with a T. You can call a friend or ask the audience or go 50/50. Yeah, I do that too, because its just that much fun! 

Now I need to since, people in the white cloaks say its time for my medicine lol. I'll tell you a secret I've been hiding the pills and not taking them, my brain just feels more clear without them! To the batmobile! 

/FIN

Forgot to add tin foil cap and conspiracy theories in this little story of mine, hope you enjoyed it. Took me 7 mins to write it, I expect and equally worthy response that is longer then 1 sentence but shorter then 2. 

[DonniexxDarko]

BobSmith101 wrote...

DonniexxDarko wrote...

This game is very disappointing and I see where the anger is coming from - be it constructive criticism or not.

If you like it fine, but there are a lot of people who feel cheated - Bioware I've played your games since BG, but DA2 is an epic fail.

They got lucky with Mass Effect 2, people were willing to overlook the shortcomings and feautues they blatantly took OUT because it was such a good overall game.

So what do they do? They take away features, masquerade it as "streamlining" and release it as a sequel - and it didnt work this time. Games are suppose to get MORE advance in progression of their chronological order - not dumbed down.

I'm sorry but the 'tap tap tap tap tap tap' of the 'A' button is not an RPG gaming experiance - and if this was your attempt to please console gamers, then you have woefully been mistaken.

We want a decent RPG game, not a hack and slash.

Your actors in this are also monotonous and wooden, I could barley watch at times.

Well the fact that outside of the plot planets everything in ME1 was the same helped. And they never changed the underlying design of the game, still 1 human protagonist, still the same wheel.

In DA2 they have ripped out most of the stuff and replaced it with other stuff.

They took the soul out.

Mass Effect they took out RPG features like upgradable weapons and lootable corpses etc. - but like I said people were willing to overlook this because the second game itself was very good.

They don't have the good game to fall back on this time, they have took Origins and stripped away some of its core functions and presented it as a sequel, and wanting us to pay them more money for it.

Modifié par DonniexxDarko, 09 mars 2011 - 01:36 .

[PhrosniteAgainROFL]

I don't know Bioware are waiting for but I'm waiting for my copy of DA2 to arrive...

[danbosko]

8/10 sounds about right, but thats only because I wasn't expecting much after ME2 and DA:O.

I'm hoping the slide is quality is because their A team is working on The Old Republic, but I suspect it really has something to do with EA and Activision's evil plan to tank the quality of video games so low we're all forced to find new ways to kill time...like playing baseball or watching American Idol...

Soon they'll realize we'll only mindlessly buy crap for so long.

[PhrosniteAgainROFL]

danbosko wrote...

8/10 sounds about right, but thats only because I wasn't expecting much after ME2 and DA:O.

I would like to dissect your brain to see what is your problem.

[garden girl]

So, let me get this straight. If I did not like this game as much as DA:O, then I have to write long, flowing, detailed posts (a couple weeks from now), or I'm just trolling? Saying "I don't like the changes to the combat system: too fast, too many "super hero" like moves that break the "reality" of the game"...that's not good enough?

Yes, yes it is. It's a valid complaint. It doesn't need a 5 paragraph analysis to be valid. It's not "reactionary".

If you like the game, great, play on...but you can't tell people who had issues with the "new direction" that they are wrong, or their opinions are wrong, or "manufactured" or trollish. I can't understand the attitude of thinking everybody has to agree with you...are you seeking validation for liking a video game or video game company?

[garden girl]

DonniexxDarko wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

DonniexxDarko wrote...

This game is very disappointing and I see where the anger is coming from - be it constructive criticism or not.

If you like it fine, but there are a lot of people who feel cheated - Bioware I've played your games since BG, but DA2 is an epic fail.

They got lucky with Mass Effect 2, people were willing to overlook the shortcomings and feautues they blatantly took OUT because it was such a good overall game.

So what do they do? They take away features, masquerade it as "streamlining" and release it as a sequel - and it didnt work this time. Games are suppose to get MORE advance in progression of their chronological order - not dumbed down.

I'm sorry but the 'tap tap tap tap tap tap' of the 'A' button is not an RPG gaming experiance - and if this was your attempt to please console gamers, then you have woefully been mistaken.

We want a decent RPG game, not a hack and slash.

Your actors in this are also monotonous and wooden, I could barley watch at times.

Well the fact that outside of the plot planets everything in ME1 was the same helped. And they never changed the underlying design of the game, still 1 human protagonist, still the same wheel.

In DA2 they have ripped out most of the stuff and replaced it with other stuff.

They took the soul out.

Mass Effect they took out RPG features like upgradable weapons and lootable corpses etc. - but like I said people were willing to overlook this because the second game itself was very good.

They don't have the good game to fall back on this time, they have took Origins and stripped away some of its core functions and presented it as a sequel, and wanting us to pay them more money for it.

I think you summed up the general problem many people have with this game pretty well.  Unfortunately, because I believe Bioware/EA wants to sell to a larger crowd than the diehard RPG fans, they will not really care that we did not like those changes. (and for the "you want games like they had 10 years ago, you're old" crowd - save it)

[javierdmr1982]

Yes yes you are a very smart and handsome TROLL please leave this forum there are people who likes the game and wants information about it NOT TROLLING THREADS

[DonniexxDarko]

javierdmr1982 wrote...

Yes yes you are a very smart and handsome TROLL please leave this forum there are people who likes the game and wants information about it NOT TROLLING THREADS

Constructive criticism > Trolling?

I'm afraid not.

[silverscorpio]

I have not played the game because I am still waiting for my copy but from what I have read this is a game that you either love or hate. There is no real middle ground. Look at metacritic user reviews. The people that liked it gave high scores and the people that loved gave perfect scores. No middle ratings. Even in the poll I created I asked people that if DA2 was not called Dragon Age and was a new ip it was split between people saying they love it as it is or people saying they will love it if it was not Dragon Age. It is clear for me that Bioware did cater for the consoles this time and the pc was neglected. It will never be Dragon Age Origins but it might still be a fun game. As for me I will have to wait to see if I love it or hate it.

[danbosko]

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

danbosko wrote...

8/10 sounds about right, but thats only because I wasn't expecting much after ME2 and DA:O.

I would like to dissect your brain to see what is your problem.

ME2 is a worse KotR and DA:O is a bad Balders Gate.  If I never played Biowares early games I'd have no brand loyalty and I'm sure I wouldn't be buying they mediocraty they spam now.   And its not really that their games are bad now, they're just not nearly as good as they could be if they put more time/effort into em.  Really its the publishers fault.  

In a perfect nerd gamer world Blizz+Bioware+Infinity Ward would get together and make their own publishing company.

[Veracruz]

BIO18 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
Honestly, I think it's still too early to tell. Right now, we're getting reactionary feedback. Over the next couple of weeks, this will change from gut-reaction hyperbole to people taking the time to give us more detail and specifics about what they liked and didn't like.

So for Stanley Woo the only reviews worth listening are the positive ones .
So all the feedback we're giving back now is useless ? Its just reaction ? A lot of people have made very good reviews and given their opinion in a very constructive matter . But they don't count ?
So you are just going to wait for all the bad comments to go away ? And then just take all the good ones ?
Not considering these comments , that you call "reactions" is very narrow minded !

No one stops people from writing well thought constructive criticism right now or in two months. Like some well written and formatted wall of text in which they explain with microscopic level of detail why they don't like the game. But people are "special" and prefer to resort to insults, genral bashing and such. So there are good negative posts here and there but most aren't. Isn't revenge better served cold? So are reviews. Everybody, even those who like the game, need time to really digest the experience, analyze it and actually bother to take the time to write something that focus on what really matters: how was the experience with the game. Humans have become really dumbed down, streamlined and consolized in their reactions.

So yeah, most of yer "feedback" is quite useless but because of your own fault. Assume your own responsability before asking other to assume theirs.

[Snaffy Taffy]

I gotta admit, the constant mashing of the "X" button has me having flashbacks of when I use to play those Lord of the Rings hack n' slashes (except when I can press the occasional square button for Whirlwind).

[vortexdr]

BIO18 wrote...

Dopefish123 wrote...

Did you guys actually have to stoop that low and ask metacritic to remove bad reviews?
So much ego in you guys that you cant except bad reviews?

You guys turned this game into Consolization Age 2
-Unoptimized (WIth beta drivers)
-Lowres textures everywhere on random npc's and the environment
-Laughable dialogue ("I WANT TO BE A DRAGON") lolwut?
-Graphics that belong in 2005
-Kirkwall- main city, supposed to be packed, no more than 10 npc's on screen
-Bethany's fingers (LOLWTF)
-New mass effect wheel is supposed to be an improvement (I love you, Im hungry, Get out of here)
Sure is an improvement.
-Only from of "travel" is a map and clicking icons (There isnt even a real day/night cycle, you guys even made it seperate)

What if you guys didnt rush the game...
What if you guys actually had artists..

Oh and you might claim those user reviews were "inaccurate" and wanted to metacritic to take them down.
Then how about you take down your fake accounts Bioware blatently reviewing it 10/10.

No one from Bioware staff has given the community an honest answer why this game is so unpolished and riddled with bugs.

An opinion from an unbiased person, although inb4 Biodrones flame it all to hell.

This says it all . Nicely said Dopefish

Quoted for truth....

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

elecmanexe001 wrote...

Speeding through the game and then giving bad reviews and comments has little merit. Wait for people who gave the game time to review it and you'll get more constructive thoughts. Right now it seems most are bashing because it's the 'cool' thing to do. For every bad review or comment there are people enjoying the game as well, not commenting cause they are playing.

Agreed. I read one early review that claimedit was a 15 hour game, and considering how some have completed it already, that's not 100% inaccurate, however... did the person do EVERY quest? I myself am about 16 hours playing so far, and I'm only in Act 2.  

As I said in another thread, there is a guy I once visited the page of, he beat game as fast as possible, then posted reviews based on them.  Supposedly he got 100% completion in Final Fantasy X-2 in like 14 hours.    Does that make it a14 hour game? No, it means that HE was able to finish it in 14 hours.

[AkiKishi]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

elecmanexe001 wrote...

Speeding through the game and then giving bad reviews and comments has little merit. Wait for people who gave the game time to review it and you'll get more constructive thoughts. Right now it seems most are bashing because it's the 'cool' thing to do. For every bad review or comment there are people enjoying the game as well, not commenting cause they are playing.

Agreed. I read one early review that claimedit was a 15 hour game, and considering how some have completed it already, that's not 100% inaccurate, however... did the person do EVERY quest? I myself am about 16 hours playing so far, and I'm only in Act 2.  

As I said in another thread, there is a guy I once visited the page of, he beat game as fast as possible, then posted reviews based on them.  Supposedly he got 100% completion in Final Fantasy X-2 in like 14 hours.    Does that make it a14 hour game? No, it means that HE was able to finish it in 14 hours.

They said 12-15 for main quest double if you do everything.

I'm not sure it's even possible to get 100% complete in FFX-2 on one play. I got 95% (never rushed) but only got the other 5% playing the other faction.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 09 mars 2011 - 02:48 .