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[AkiKishi]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Yea I mean resonance of fate got worse scores than FFXIII, and IMO its a better game, and I enjoyed both.....

I guess you would be hard pressed to find game titles I dislike that encompass the entire RPG genre

Production values. Like or hate FFXIII ( I'm more on the not liking side) it has good production values and will always score higher because of it with some reviewers.

Same thing with Nippon Ichi titles some people love them other reviewers just mark them down for looking outdated.

[BIO18]

David Gaider wrote...

BIO18 wrote...
Well Im afraid its not . Maybe some are not fully constructive yes . But they do come from the heart . 

And it's great to see some people so passionate, sure. If some peoples' hearts are full of that much bile, however, they might want to see someone about that.

I can understand you don't want to listen to the ones that just say the game is bad , but don't just shut everybody out . Oh this is the first week , they don't count . Some a really honest . I just hope you don't "block" yourself only on the good ( few) reviews so far just for the sake of the modifications you made .

[STiAT]

It's always the disappointed players who shout out loud in first place. You'll rarely see satisfied people around, at least in the beginning, and those who give constructive critism need time for this, since good critism on something which is well thought takes time, evaluation, and other ideas.

[KCFender]

David Gaider wrote...

Lord_Saulot wrote...
That isn't what he said at all.  He was never talking about the constructive criticism (which is tiny minority of the negative opinions being given now), but all the kneejerk "worst game ever" spam, which was exactly the same when DAO came out.

That's indeed the case. I remember the flurry of hate on the forums right after DAO was released-- had you been by the forums then, you would have thought it was the worst game ever.

And, yes, of course constructive criticism is wonderful. But at this stage we see precious little of it, I'm afraid. That's pretty normal.

I see plenty of constructive criticism, and plenty of valid opinions on why people don't like the direction the franchise has taken. Your response to this, from what I see on the forum so far, is dismissive at best.

That's a lot more telling than anything else on this forum.

[XX55XX]

KCFender wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Lord_Saulot wrote...
That isn't what he said at all.  He was never talking about the constructive criticism (which is tiny minority of the negative opinions being given now), but all the kneejerk "worst game ever" spam, which was exactly the same when DAO came out.

That's indeed the case. I remember the flurry of hate on the forums right after DAO was released-- had you been by the forums then, you would have thought it was the worst game ever.

And, yes, of course constructive criticism is wonderful. But at this stage we see precious little of it, I'm afraid. That's pretty normal.

I see plenty of constructive criticism, and plenty of valid opinions on why people don't like the direction the franchise has taken. Your response to this, from what I see on the forum so far, is dismissive at best.

That's a lot more telling than anything else on this forum.

Agreed. Especially when it's coming from the lead writer.

[STiAT]

XX55XX wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

BIO18 wrote...
Well Im afraid its not . Maybe some are not fully constructive yes . But they do come from the heart . 

And it's great to see some people so passionate, sure. If some peoples' hearts are full of that much bile, however, they might want to see someone about that.

Mr. Gaider, I understand that you want to avoid reading criticism - it's only natural for humans to avoid critique, since it damages the ego, but some of it is completely valid, sir. Especially those concerning the unfocused and unconventional narrative.

I know you were the lead writer, so my question is: Why is the narrative so hollow compared to the first game?

Good critism would require you to write about what things you compare, and which elements of the narrative were hollow, which parts were missing in your opinion.

Since this could violate the rules of this forum (spoiling), we would need a feedback forum introduced where spoilers can be written, to give constructive feedback to BioWare, and discuss in a normal way with each other, which most of the players, sadly, don't.

[this isnt my name]

I dont see an issue, its early, you need to experience all the content to make a better judgement, people just rushed, when they have done everything then they can make more clear reviews. oyo

Besides right now its just fanboys who love the game and llots of people whoe hate it but havent played it, see when more play it and the novelty wears off, becuase its more accurate that way, so yeah no issue.

Also I dont have an issuebut I find the way some people react funny, I can see people reading that and just seeing "ah yes "negative reveiws" we have dismissed those claims".

Modifié par this isnt my name, 09 mars 2011 - 03:18 .

[Nooneyouknow13]

It's not like Origins was a flawless game, at all. Poor stat balance, laughable skill system, too much overlap between the rogue and warrior, more loot than you could ever use, poor inventory management, the camera was still locked to the currently selected character (yes DA2 didn't introduce this, it simply exacerbated it), lack of variety in armor models, and an overall exceptionally generic look to everything. I logged over 800 hours into a game I can make large list of flaws for. I'm quite enjoying DA2 so far, it fixed several of the issues on the above list, and introduced more as it went, which is, honestly, exactly what I expected.

[Cloaking_Thane]

KCFender wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Lord_Saulot wrote...
That isn't what he said at all.  He was never talking about the constructive criticism (which is tiny minority of the negative opinions being given now), but all the kneejerk "worst game ever" spam, which was exactly the same when DAO came out.

That's indeed the case. I remember the flurry of hate on the forums right after DAO was released-- had you been by the forums then, you would have thought it was the worst game ever.

And, yes, of course constructive criticism is wonderful. But at this stage we see precious little of it, I'm afraid. That's pretty normal.

I see plenty of constructive criticism, and plenty of valid opinions on why people don't like the direction the franchise has taken. Your response to this, from what I see on the forum so far, is dismissive at best.

That's a lot more telling than anything else on this forum.

Maybe people could give the game more than a 12 hr power run....

[Drake Sigar]

BIO18 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
Honestly, I think it's still too early to tell. Right now, we're getting reactionary feedback. Over the next couple of weeks, this will change from gut-reaction hyperbole to people taking the time to give us more detail and specifics about what they liked and didn't like.

So for Stanley Woo the only reviews worth listening are the positive ones .
So all the feedback we're giving back now is useless ? Its just reaction ? A lot of people have made very good reviews and given their opinion in a very constructive matter . But they don't count ?
So you are just going to wait for all the bad comments to go away ? And then just take all the good ones ?
Not considering these comments , that you call "reactions" is very narrow minded !

A lot of people (childish people) have a new favourite movie every month. These are the kind of people who think every game is either the biggest mistake since Abraham Lincoln said “I’m sick of kicking about the house tonight, let’s go take in a show”, or is the holy grail of badassitude. In any case, he’s not saying all feedback is useless. But it does give each player a stronger case if they play the game for more than a day rather than provide their initial reactions to the rest of us.

[Dubya75]

STiAT wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

BIO18 wrote...
Well Im afraid its not . Maybe some are not fully constructive yes . But they do come from the heart . 

And it's great to see some people so passionate, sure. If some peoples' hearts are full of that much bile, however, they might want to see someone about that.

Mr. Gaider, I understand that you want to avoid reading criticism - it's only natural for humans to avoid critique, since it damages the ego, but some of it is completely valid, sir. Especially those concerning the unfocused and unconventional narrative.

I know you were the lead writer, so my question is: Why is the narrative so hollow compared to the first game?

Good critism would require you to write about what things you compare, and which elements of the narrative were hollow, which parts were missing in your opinion.

Since this could violate the rules of this forum (spoiling), we would need a feedback forum introduced where spoilers can be written, to give constructive feedback to BioWare, and discuss in a normal way with each other, which most of the players, sadly, don't.

This.
Just going on about how much the game sux does not help anyone.

[David Gaider]

KCFender wrote...
I see plenty of constructive criticism, and plenty of valid opinions on why people don't like the direction the franchise has taken. Your response to this, from what I see on the forum so far, is dismissive at best.

That's a lot more telling than anything else on this forum.

Sigh.

Did I say there wasn't any constructive criticism? No, I didn't.

But I suppose I make a convenient target, as the only thing I could say at this point that would be considered acceptable would be some kind of grand mea culpa that agrees with someone's opinions. All I can say is that, if there is constructive feedback, we'll definitely look at it-- though wading through the rest of the posts does not make that easy.

We do have work to do, you know? Which I will get back to.

[Bundin]

If I had reviewed ME2 on the second day after I played it, I would have posted a very negative story. I started my first playthrough of it right after finishing yet another ME1 game and all I noticed were the differences. My conclusion was "it's a mission based shooter with an above average story" and I didn't like it much.

About 2-3 months later I restarted ME2, not focussing on the differences as much because ME1 wasn't as fresh in my mind as before. Now I like ME2 for what it is. There are several things I would love to see changed/reverted but on its own it a good game with good mechanics and an ok story. Not nearly the nasty review I had in my mind before.

Put in numbers, ME1 is an 9.0 for me, ME2 went from a 1 initially (hatehatehate changes!) to a 8.0 (decent game, severely lacking depth, yet still very amusing).

I'm expecting a similar response to DA2. People mostly seeing what the game isn't at the moment, and ignoring what the game is. My guess is that some people will change their opinion in time.

Modifié par Bundin, 09 mars 2011 - 03:25 .

[Cloaking_Thane]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Yea I mean resonance of fate got worse scores than FFXIII, and IMO its a better game, and I enjoyed both.....

I guess you would be hard pressed to find game titles I dislike that encompass the entire RPG genre

Production values. Like or hate FFXIII ( I'm more on the not liking side) it has good production values and will always score higher because of it with some reviewers.

Same thing with Nippon Ichi titles some people love them other reviewers just mark them down for looking outdated.

Yea I understand, but there is just so much hyperbole going on here....It's hard for me to tell if some of these people are true gamers or not.

I'm probably more lax than most, but video games are my escape, I can see some flaws with everygame, but as I step back and see the arieal perspective I can appreciate almost all titles more...

[BIO18]

David Gaider wrote...

KCFender wrote...
I see plenty of constructive criticism, and plenty of valid opinions on why people don't like the direction the franchise has taken. Your response to this, from what I see on the forum so far, is dismissive at best.

That's a lot more telling than anything else on this forum.

Sigh.

Did I say there wasn't any constructive criticism? No, I didn't.

But I suppose I make a convenient target, as the only thing I could say at this point that would be considered acceptable would be some kind of grand mea culpa that agrees with someone's opinions. All I can say is that, if there is constructive feedback, we'll definitely look at it-- though wading through the rest of the posts does not make that easy.

We do have work to do, you know? Which I will get back to.

I agree , but its a lot more easy to give feedback ( constructive ) when you enjoyed the game . My guess is that the people who did not enjoy the game , just don't see the need to spend time making a constructive one , even more when they try every body is at their neck complaining about them complaining . 

[Wulfram]

David Gaider wrote...
Sigh.

Did I say there wasn't any constructive criticism? No, I didn't.

But I suppose I make a convenient target, as the only thing I could say at this point that would be considered acceptable would be some kind of grand mea culpa that agrees with someone's opinions. All I can say is that, if there is constructive feedback, we'll definitely look at it-- though wading through the rest of the posts does not make that easy.

We do have work to do, you know? Which I will get back to.

"There's a patch out soon" is what I want to hear.

[tez19]

David Gaider wrote...

KCFender wrote...
I see plenty of constructive criticism, and plenty of valid opinions on why people don't like the direction the franchise has taken. Your response to this, from what I see on the forum so far, is dismissive at best.

That's a lot more telling than anything else on this forum.

Sigh.

Did I say there wasn't any constructive criticism? No, I didn't.

But I suppose I make a convenient target, as the only thing I could say at this point that would be considered acceptable would be some kind of grand mea culpa that agrees with someone's opinions. All I can say is that, if there is constructive feedback, we'll definitely look at it-- though wading through the rest of the posts does not make that easy.

We do have work to do, you know? Which I will get back to.

To be honest Mr. Gaider i loved DA:O and am eagerly anticipating DA2. In my opinion the dev's like yourself should just moderate for the next week or so because it seems alot of people just want to complain or just want some attention, alot of these users do not listen to logic. I am sure the people with worthwhile constructive criticism will still be visiting these forums in the next few weeks whereas as the people just throwing their toys out of the pram will not as they will have a new game to berate. I also will be back after i have played DA2 to share my thoughts amongst the community.

[17thknight]

Wulfram wrote...


"There's a patch out soon" is what I want to hear.

Don't hold your breath.

[BIO18]

17thknight wrote...

Wulfram wrote...


"There's a patch out soon" is what I want to hear.

Don't hold your breath.

Its probably going to be something like Dragon Age 3 will be out this december

[KCFender]

David Gaider wrote...

KCFender wrote...
I see plenty of constructive criticism, and plenty of valid opinions on why people don't like the direction the franchise has taken. Your response to this, from what I see on the forum so far, is dismissive at best.

That's a lot more telling than anything else on this forum.

Sigh.

Did I say there wasn't any constructive criticism? No, I didn't.

But I suppose I make a convenient target, as the only thing I could say at this point that would be considered acceptable would be some kind of grand mea culpa that agrees with someone's opinions. All I can say is that, if there is constructive feedback, we'll definitely look at it-- though wading through the rest of the posts does not make that easy.

We do have work to do, you know? Which I will get back to.

Yes, you are an easy target. As lead writer, it's laudable that you're addressing criticism of the game in person at all. I just hope that you and your company take some of the complaints seriously, because I know I for one was hoping for a different game then what you guys made here. I came to the forum to make that known, so I'm at least happy to see you that you are actually reading some of the criticisms.
I know the internet by nature is full of baselessness and everything needs to be taken with loads of salt, but there is some truth being expressed here. Those expressing it certainly want to think their opinions are at least being taken as honest.

Modifié par KCFender, 09 mars 2011 - 03:35 .

[Mossa_missa]

David Gaider wrote...

Lord_Saulot wrote...
That isn't what he said at all.  He was never talking about the constructive criticism (which is tiny minority of the negative opinions being given now), but all the kneejerk "worst game ever" spam, which was exactly the same when DAO came out.

That's indeed the case. I remember the flurry of hate on the forums right after DAO was released-- had you been by the forums then, you would have thought it was the worst game ever.

And, yes, of course constructive criticism is wonderful. But at this stage we see precious little of it, I'm afraid. That's pretty normal.

Was the same deal with ME2. People hated that game passionatly on the forums. Personaly I think its the best game I have played "so far". Havent played DA2 yet but the demo made me wery excited. Haters going to hate.

[PhrosniteAgainROFL]

Anybody who says that Mass Effect 2 is bad or that Mass Effect 1 is better, is not someone you should take seriously.

[Rockpopple]

Wow. People hated ME2 passionately? I played it on the 1st time on the PS3 (Like I said, I'm an old-school gamer but new to this forum-hopping stuff) and it blew my brains out. It was like crack-cocaine. Wow.

[Wulfram]

Mossa_missa wrote...

Was the same deal with ME2. People hated that game passionatly on the forums. Personaly I think its the best game I have played "so far". Havent played DA2 yet but the demo made me wery excited. Haters going to hate.

ME2 got good reviews, though.