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[XX55XX]

Haters will always hate, but that doesn't mean that certain opinions should be discounted. I loved ME, ME2, and DAO. But, there is just something hollow about DA2 that I can't point out...

[soteria]

David Gaider wrote...
And, yes, of course constructive criticism is wonderful. But at this stage we see precious little of it, I'm afraid. That's pretty normal.

Does "reasoned criticism" count? I've posted plenty of that, I think. I'm pretty excited about what little I've seen so far--not even through Act I yet. In any case, I think humans tend to be sharply critical of what they don't like and quieter about what they like.
FWIW, the dialogue wheel mostly works for me, except that I don't know what the symbols mean, really. I've only had one case where I had to reload because Hawke said something crazy and a couple cases where I just couldn't find anything that looked right for my character. The other side of that is seeing a paraphrase I thought was right and being "warned off" by the tone symbol. The symbols are definitely helping--good job on that.

[Sharkey x]

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

Anybody who says that Mass Effect 2 is bad or that Mass Effect 1 is better, is not someone you should take seriously.

what makes you perfect judge of that?

i'm sure people who say that mass effect 1 is bad or that mass effect 2 is better, is not someone you should take seriously.

Each to thier own I say would be pretty boring world if we all liked same thing,

Modifié par Sharkey x, 09 mars 2011 - 03:45 .

[SkyWard20]

BIO18 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
Honestly, I think it's still too early to tell. Right now, we're getting reactionary feedback. Over the next couple of weeks, this will change from gut-reaction hyperbole to people taking the time to give us more detail and specifics about what they liked and didn't like.

So for Stanley Woo the only reviews worth listening are the positive ones .
So all the feedback we're giving back now is useless ? Its just reaction ? A lot of people have made very good reviews and given their opinion in a very constructive matter . But they don't count ?
So you are just going to wait for all the bad comments to go away ? And then just take all the good ones ?
Not considering these comments , that you call "reactions" is very narrow minded !

he said they need more time to get proper feedback from players... which is sensible.

[Tekman9]

Who can I talk to to get my signature edition?

[SkyWard20]

woods26 wrote...

Video games are serious business.

they are for some, and probably for the ones who make them.

I don't see it as extremely unreasonable for people wanting video games to become a more viable medium of storytelling, immersion and engagement

Modifié par SkyWard20, 09 mars 2011 - 03:57 .

[Purple People Eater]

I hope that work includes auto-attack, and SDTV problems that need fixing. I like the game aside from these issues.

Modifié par Purple People Eater, 09 mars 2011 - 03:52 .

[this isnt my name]

SkyWard20 wrote...

BIO18 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
Honestly, I think it's still too early to tell. Right now, we're getting reactionary feedback. Over the next couple of weeks, this will change from gut-reaction hyperbole to people taking the time to give us more detail and specifics about what they liked and didn't like.

So for Stanley Woo the only reviews worth listening are the positive ones .
So all the feedback we're giving back now is useless ? Its just reaction ? A lot of people have made very good reviews and given their opinion in a very constructive matter . But they don't count ?
So you are just going to wait for all the bad comments to go away ? And then just take all the good ones ?
Not considering these comments , that you call "reactions" is very narrow minded !

he said they need more time to get proper feedback from players... which is sensible.

Use logic! Here ?! Now ?! What is this blasphemy!

People are either going to hate it without giving it a full chance or they rate it to highly becuase of the novelty of a new game. For about 2 weeks people wont think properly before posting, you only need to look at some threads to see that.

[Scars Unseen]

Not having played the game yet, I can't make a judgment call yet. I can predict, however, that I will find DA2 to not be everything I could hope for in a Bioware game. This has nothing to do with DA:O, but is rather owing to the fact that they already made Baldur's Gate 2, and everything they've made since or will ever make again can only hold a glimmer of that gem's brilliance. I do not begrudge them this. But it is this fact that will allow me to give DA2 a chance equal to the one that I gave its predecessor.

DA2 may not measure up to the Bioware Gold Standard, but I look forward to enjoying another well built failure. And I mean that in the best way possible.

[fchopin]

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

Anybody who says that Mass Effect 2 is bad or that Mass Effect 1 is better, is not someone you should take seriously.

Then please do not take me seriously as that is exactly what i believe and what i say.

[SkyWard20]

glimmer of that gem's brilliance. I do not begrudge them this. But it is this fact that will allow me to give DA2 a chance equal to the one that I gave its predecessor.

I don't agree with that. I have played some pretty great games over the years, and although I can't say I have given the Baldur's Gate series a proper playthrough, I don't need to, so I can say that all the following games are not mere 'glimmer(s) of that gem's brilliance', but good RPG's that stand on their own.

I've heard someone say 'yeah, those were great games, but I wouldn't want to be stuck in a world where I'd have to play only Baldur's Gate and Planescape: Torment'

There are... flaws I could name when playing any of those games compared to more recent titles. I'm not saying that in this case, 'DA 2 is entirely a step in the right direction and I hope everything will be like it', but let's move on already... if RPG 'purists' always put those titles on their high pedestal then of course they won't find 'anything as good', but I will say I have, in fact.

Modifié par SkyWard20, 09 mars 2011 - 04:08 .

[ckangaroo70]

Well...my first thoughts after putting in several hours on this title is that it is fun, but to call it RPG would be a bit of a stretch. I am enjoying it, but I do have to say that thus far it has not lived up to my expectations, but perhaps I may have been expecting too much. Like I said though...it is fun and I will play thru it, but I don't believe it is quite the game alot of folks were expecting and I do agree that it has been "dumbed down" a bit.
I do think I will be a bit more carefull next time before I pre-order because I would probably still buy this title if it were a $29.95 game but I may have spent my money on another title if I had waited for other folks to find out what I have and that is that it's a good game, but it will not become a classic like MA 1 or DAO. I don't want to be to hard on Bioware because even movies have the same problem that the second one is never as good as the original. How many of you folks have seen the Christmas Story and how many of you thought the 2nd they made was better or how many of you even know they made a second one? When you paint a masterpiece it is hard to replicate that over and over. Anyhow....thanks for the fun game. I am enjoyiong it thus far....just not blown away! There's always next time!

[BIO18]

fchopin wrote...

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

Anybody who says that Mass Effect 2 is bad or that Mass Effect 1 is better, is not someone you should take seriously.

Then please do not take me seriously as that is exactly what i believe and what i say.

WTH does mass effect have to do with anything ?

[fchopin]

BIO18 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

Anybody who says that Mass Effect 2 is bad or that Mass Effect 1 is better, is not someone you should take seriously.

Then please do not take me seriously as that is exactly what i believe and what i say.

WTH does mass effect have to do with anything ?

Maybe you should ask PhrosniteAgainROFL that question.

[ckangaroo70]

XX55XX wrote...

Haters will always hate, but that doesn't mean that certain opinions should be discounted. I loved ME, ME2, and DAO. But, there is just something hollow about DA2 that I can't point out...

That is perhaps the most accurate thing I have read on these forums yet that reflects my feelings towards DA2 that I couldn't quite put my finger on.  Maybe it is just the winter blues but there just seems to be some excitement gone from within this title or something I just can't quite put my finger on. Your discription of "Hollow" seems to be the closest description I have found that matches my own feelings. I also wonder if the game opening with the drabbest looking scenery helps any? I can look out my window and see nothing but brown dead grass and bare trees. I wonder if maybe the environment needs to have more life in it or something? Last night when I was playing I was kinda forcing myself to keep mushing forward. In MA and DAO I found myself eager to see what would happen next  and my wife yelling at me that I should not sit up all night on the puter because I had to get up and go to work the next day. I actually tuned this one off last night so I could go watch the depressing 10pm news. There is no other Bioware title I have played that I would have turned off to go watch the news. 

[tryguy]

fchopin wrote...

BIO18 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

Anybody who says that Mass Effect 2 is bad or that Mass Effect 1 is better, is not someone you should take seriously.

Then please do not take me seriously as that is exactly what i believe and what i say.

WTH does mass effect have to do with anything ?

Maybe you should ask PhrosniteAgainROFL that question.

Hey fchopin, long time no see! 

I too think that ME1 was more enjoyable than ME2. I just liked the fighting better. ME2 was too much cowering behind cover and taking cheap shots. Whereas in ME1, my soldier was out risking life and limb taking things down. I loved ME1's combat environments.

But... that's just me.

[corym77]

It's so funny when hardcore gamers get so upset when something gets fairly well scored, then they get all up in arms about it saying "but it sucked" from their hardcore perspective. You guys do understand that most reviews are written from a casual/non-hardcore gamer perspective don't you? The masses/average gamer is what determines if a game is a success or failure not the hardcore section. It's all about presentation/game play/lasting value/entry level access from a mostly new players point of view. No matter what the hardcore think it will be the overall sales figures that determine if DA 2 is a success or failure and that's all (for the most part) EA will consider. Now Bioware is the one that will actually be listening to us if we are constructive and slightly less passionate about our feedback. I'm personally loving the game (I do have a few issues) and will give my full feedback after I complete the game.

Modifié par corym77, 09 mars 2011 - 04:42 .

[SirEuain]

For what it's worth, Herr Gaider, my only disappointment so far is with the reduced chat options in the field... which is nearly quibbling when Varric and Isabela tell Aveline they were only discussing daggers.

[ckangaroo70]

corym77 wrote...

It's so funny when hardcore gamers get so upset when something gets fairly well scored, then they get all up in arms about it saying "but it sucked" from their hardcore perspective. You guys do understand that most review are written from a casual/non-hardcore gamer perspective don't you? The masses/average gamer is what determines if a game is a success or failure not the hardcore section. It's all about presentation/game play/lasting value from a mostly new players point of view. no matter what the hardcore think it will be the overall sales figures that determine if DA 2 is a success or failure and that's all (for the most part) EA will consider. Now Bioware is the one that will actually be listening to us if we are constructive and slightly less passionate about our feedback. I'm personally loving the game (0I do have a few issues) and will give my full feedback after I complete the game.

I agree with you. Thats why I just give my own opinions and never try to speak for anyone but myself. I give my 2 cents and folks can take it or leave it, but I would never tell anyone how to think. I personaly think the game is a bit hollow but the next person might not see it the same way. I just try to put out an honest opinion and let folks do what they want with it. Nobody is going to hate or love the game because I told them to. When I buy a game I look at it as if I am the only customer they have and I try to give some honest feedback so they can make MY game better the next time. As a gamer or customer I have no concern whatsoever regarding who they are or are not trying to market to.  I am selfish and want them to make a game that appeals to me and only me! So my comments are more directed at how you can please just this one customer the next time. I would never pretend to know what everybody else was looking for in this title or try to forse you to see things my way. Just call it like you see it, but say it in a way that is fair minded.

[Ostagar2011]

David Gaider wrote...

And, yes, of course constructive criticism is wonderful. But at this stage we see precious little of it, I'm afraid. That's pretty normal.

From whom would you want to hear this constructive criticism?  Many of your colleagues have said on these forums and in interviews all over the interweb that the "core" RPG crowd is no longer the target market for DA2. So why would (say) my opinion even matter? Or that of many of the posters here today?

Studio direction have told you to make more "aerodynamic" and "accessible" games, and the demographic that buys such games generally prefers to communicate in textspeak. I don't think you'll have an easy time deciphering constructive criticism there.

So what you're saying is, we should only make criticisms that fit within the general corporate strategy that EA have decided for the IP? If so, then at least define the parameters of that path, and we will attempt to keep criticisms within those bounds. Otherwise, we will of course, "unconstructively" criticize the art, dialogue wheel, tactical cam etc, blissfully ignorant that you will never take on board anything we say regarding those aspects.

Modifié par Ostagar2011, 09 mars 2011 - 04:53 .

[fchopin]

tryguy wrote...

Hey fchopin, long time no see! 

I too think that ME1 was more enjoyable than ME2. I just liked the fighting better. ME2 was too much cowering behind cover and taking cheap shots. Whereas in ME1, my soldier was out risking life and limb taking things down. I loved ME1's combat environments.

But... that's just me.

Hey tryguy... how are you, i am busy at work.
 
I will be playing DA2 on Friday what about you?

[Nozybidaj]

Ostagar2011 wrote...

Otherwise, we will of course, "unconstructively" criticize the art, dialogue wheel, tactical cam etc, blissfully ignorant that you will never take on board anything we say regarding those aspects.

I think that's the point.

[tryguy]

fchopin wrote...

Hey tryguy... how are you, i am busy at work.
 
I will be playing DA2 on Friday what about you?

Oh, you noticed me.

Umm, I'm not too sure about this game. I might pick it up if I see it at a good price, but right now I'm not feeling too much excitement about it.

I haven't played DA:O in ages, so I'm thinking about reinstalling that and getting the old mods!!

I'll head over to that forum soon, so maybe we can chat there.

[Graunt]

BIO18 wrote...
-Graphics that belong in 2005

The game you're thinking of is Dragon Age: Origins.  This looks closer to 2007.

[Varus Torvyn]

What's bugging me is players on some game websites are writing player reviews and bad-mouthing DA2. These "reviews" have no merit because they are one-paragraph "hack-and-slash" comments, and they only have 10 hours of gameplay invested.

You can't review a RPG with just 10 hours in - you have to finish the game first - how can you review what you haven't seen?

I will say this: Gamespot ediors do run the games all the way through to the credits before they pen a review. I wish players did the same.