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[mr_luga]

STARSBarry wrote...

hmm wouldent call over 80% average score "bad" people forget that alot of "bad" games score highly while alot of games others find fun are often underrated. On the other hand I dont think DA II will be as good as DA: O but we have known that for months....

You should see the metacritic user score .. <.< 2.8 currently

[Varus Torvyn]

mr_luga wrote...

STARSBarry wrote...

hmm wouldent call over 80% average score "bad" people forget that alot of "bad" games score highly while alot of games others find fun are often underrated. On the other hand I dont think DA II will be as good as DA: O but we have known that for months....

You should see the metacritic user score .. <.< 2.8 currently

Gamespot rated it 8.0 which translates to a "great" rating overall. Their policy is they finish the game before they write.

[ckangaroo70]

Varus Torvyn wrote...

What's bugging me is players on some game websites are writing player reviews and bad-mouthing DA2. These "reviews" have no merit because they are one-paragraph "hack-and-slash" comments, and they only have 10 hours of gameplay invested.

You can't review a RPG with just 10 hours in - you have to finish the game first - how can you review what you haven't seen?

I will say this: Gamespot ediors do run the games all the way through to the credits before they pen a review. I wish players did the same.

Is there something that would happen in the next 10 or 20 hours that didn't happen in the first 10 or 20 hours to make one change his or her mind? I think most user reviews have been pretty positive regarding the story aspect of it. Most criticism I have seen has to do with the mechanics or lack of them and other things not related to the story itself. So I really am not quite certain what would change in the middle of the game that wasn't there in the first part of the game? I personaly think the story is quite good and I really like some of the characters. However I have not been blown away and if you are not overly impressed after 10 or 20 hours of game play....I just can't understand why one would think that it all of the sudden would change into something else????? Believe me..I am not a hater.....I really wanted to be madly in love with this new title, but so far this feels more like a quick blind date gone bad. No taking home to mom or wedding bells with this one! You might play with her for awhile, but she is definately getting dropped off at her house early!

[Lykang]

But it looks like DA2 was made for consoles. Fast action packed, no tactical view, fewer skills to use, everything simplified to a such degree that it just so uninteresting.. And if you look how players are rating tis game, there is a huge difference when it comes to pc and consoles.

[sorrowandsadness]

Uh oh. One of these threads. Death threats still to come.

[Sir Caradoc]

I haven't played the full game yet and I doubt that I will for a while. Obviously there is no rush as it seems that Da2 is quite a lot worse than orgins, I'll just wait game of the year edition or something and grab all the dlcs and stuff with lower price.

As for the reviews integrity. I belive majority of them are honest. Some may be childhish rants or biased, but in every review lies a piece of thurth. There is a lesson to be learned. It obviously is that Bioware crossed the line and lost the respect of serious gamers. We'll see how they reach casuals, but I doubt it will be a smash hit like DAO. The core audience are still serious gamers and majority of them feel cheated. Heck even here inside of their inner sanctum I get the feeling that nearly half of the fans feel cheated. Thats not good.

So likely the score 7-8 is on spot. Still I'm not suprised that it gets even lower scores. You will have to keep in mind that quite a lot of gamers don't follow game development as closely as we do here. They liked expected an other game like orgins, but instead they got a game like DA2. So indeed it must feel like a great dissapointment which explains the low user score.

My 2 cents anyhow.

[bzombo]

here's some quick constructive feedback from my experience so far:
1. it's kinda dark. not dark meaning mood, but the lighting is a bit dark with gamma cranked up.
2. the inventory system is better in dao. much more organized and intuitive.
3. here's a superficial comment:a signature edition/collector's edition, etc should be a bit more "special". the CE for origins was nice. the SE is nice content-wise, but there's no extras. no map, no special case, or anything like that. the CE case with plastic slipcover was perfect. add in a map or something and a much better SE it would have been.

that said, i love the game overall. it's been great fun. graphics are definitely better. great job overall, but hopefully da3 can take the best of dao and da2 and make things better.

[TheRealJayDee]

Varus Torvyn wrote...

What's bugging me is players on some game websites are writing player reviews and bad-mouthing DA2. These "reviews" have no merit because they are one-paragraph "hack-and-slash" comments, and they only have 10 hours of gameplay invested.

You can't review a RPG with just 10 hours in - you have to finish the game first - how can you review what you haven't seen?

I will say this: Gamespot ediors do run the games all the way through to the credits before they pen a review. I wish players did the same.

Of course you can't make final judgement about the story, but you can very well comment on certain aspects and gameplay mechanics that aren't going to change, like combat, dialogue, interface, graphics, voice actors etc.

Also players aren't professional reviewers.

[Varus Torvyn]

ckangaroo70 wrote...

Is there something that would happen in the next 10 or 20 hours that didn't happen in the first 10 or 20 hours to make one change his or her mind? I think most user reviews have been pretty positive regarding the story aspect of it. Most criticism I have seen has to do with the mechanics or lack of them and other things not related to the story itself. So I really am not quite certain what would change in the middle of the game that wasn't there in the first part of the game? I personaly think the story is quite good and I really like some of the characters. However I have not been blown away and if you are not overly impressed after 10 or 20 hours of game play....I just can't understand why one would think that it all of the sudden would change into something else????? Believe me..I am not a hater.....I really wanted to be madly in love with this new title, but so far this feels more like a quick blind date gone bad. No taking home to mom or wedding bells with this one! You might play with her for awhile, but she is definately getting dropped off at her house early!

I've got around 24 hours of gameplay so far, and I'm not going to submit a review until I've completed the game. My only complaint so far is party movement sometimes stops (not a game lock-up, just movement lock-up), and during melee combat the game ignores a command to use a potion if you use the Inventory screen instead of the quickbar.

[Teddie Sage]

Just give 'em some time. Dragon Age 2 is like a baby, an infant. Give it some time to grow along its players. A bunch of DLCs might fix it and make it longer and similar to what Dragon Age: Origins used to be. BioWare did a wonderful job so far to try new stuff, it's rude from us to point at them and say how wrong some stuff have became in the sequal, without being polite. They're the "gods" of this "universe" after all. If you want more stuff from Thedas and Kirkwall, your choice. But don't expect them to be happy to answer to angry fanboys mobs everywhere, anytime of the day.

[DTKT]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Just give 'em some time. Dragon Age 2 is like a baby, an infant. Give it some time to grow along its players. A bunch of DLCs might fix it and make it longer and similar to what Dragon Age: Origins used to be. BioWare did a wonderful job so far to try new stuff, it's rude from us to point at them and say how wrong some stuff have became in the sequal, without being polite. They're the "gods" of this "universe" after all. If you want more stuff from Thedas and Kirkwall, your choice. But don't expect them to be happy to answer to angry fanboys mobs everywhere, anytime of the day.

DLC never fixed any game.

It sure as hell wont fix the core design concepts or the mechanics of a game.

[Varus Torvyn]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Of course you can't make final judgement about the story, but you can very well comment on certain aspects and gameplay mechanics that aren't going to change, like combat, dialogue, interface, graphics, voice actors etc.

Also players aren't professional reviewers.

When you see minimum word-count, no punctuation, poor grammar, and posted mere hours after the game unlocked, plus low ratings (1 of 10 which = "abysmal"), the review has little merit to it. I could take it more seriously if the person had written "I finished the game" instead of "I gave up after 10 hours".

[LessThanKate]

I get the impression he's just waiting for the dust to settle. Right now, there's a stark contrast in reviews; GameSpot and IGN give it an eight, this MetaCritic site having zeroes and ones. Give it a few days, when everyone who's planning to has played it, and there will be a more graspable average.

I actually haven't played the game yet, though I find even the positive reviews to be disheartening, since they're basically saying it was good, not great, and I was expecting greatness. Then again, I have no allegiance to any particular kind of gameplay, and found their noted "flaws" to be debatable. So we shall see.

DTKT wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

Just give
'em some time. Dragon Age 2 is like a baby, an infant. Give it some
time to grow along its players. A bunch of DLCs might fix it and make it
longer and similar to what Dragon Age: Origins used to be. BioWare did a
wonderful job so far to try new stuff, it's rude from us to point at
them and say how wrong some stuff have became in the sequal, without
being polite. They're the "gods" of this "universe" after all. If you
want more stuff from Thedas and Kirkwall, your choice. But don't expect
them to be happy to answer to angry fanboys mobs everywhere, anytime of
the day.

DLC never fixed any game.

It sure as hell wont fix the core design concepts or the mechanics of a game.

No, but if the quality of DA2's DLCs outweighs DAO's, it would certainly help things. The original game was fantastic, and there's certainly some validity in the "if it's not broke don't fix it" argument, but I can't deny some of it felt like a chore.

Modifié par LessThanKate, 09 mars 2011 - 05:50 .

[tardis_type_40]

BIO18 wrote...

So for Stanley Woo the only reviews worth listening are the positive ones .

I don't think that's what he's saying at all. Mind you, it does seem a little unfair for people to put four or five hours of play into the game and then declair it WORST GAME EVAR. I've had it for two days and I'm still nowhere near deep enough in to judge the thing as a whole. The storyline is still largely alien to me.

[Sad Dragon]

First of all: The metacritic score everyone seems to be looking at is the User Score we have atm ~200 bad reviews, and 4chan is also promoting the bad stuff so i wouldnt be surprieced if more then half of the bad reviews are simply "for the lolz". No one in their right mind should pay the score a seconed though, its too few reviews too soon.

Now that that has been said.

David Gaider wrote...

And, yes, of course constructive
criticism is wonderful. But at this stage we see precious little of it,
I'm afraid. That's pretty normal.

That's to be expected with the game only having been out for ~2 days and thats not even globally. Playing through the whole game, on a level indepth enough to give more then superficial feedback should take a while longer -- and even then people would need time to step back and look at the game not bilnded by their emotions either.

It will come for sure. Give me two-three weeks and I'll see what I can contribute with, by then I'm sure the community will already have a lot of well thought out feedback.

/SadDragon

[Stanley Woo]

Too much arguing about arguing in this thread.

End of line.