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[colata]

reality yeah.

Modifié par colata, 09 mars 2011 - 02:07 .

[brunomalta]

Vengeful Nature wrote...

Maelora wrote...

philbo1965uk wrote...
Appealng to the casual gamer with RPG's is never the brightest of idea's....the appeal of the genre itself is cerebral and casual gamers don't have time for cerebral...they want a quick hour ingame here and there which is why they inherently dislike the genre.
Which is why we see DA2 so dumbed down.

Nail on the head.

Bioware got greedy for the casual CoD audience, and deliberately changed boh of their flagship games to appeal to the console crowd.  So ME became a shooer with a story written by a third-rate hack Mac Walters, and DA became a weak action game button masher.

Bioware lost faith in the value of their own product, and now we have these nasty hybrid games that appeal to neither the RPG crowd or the ADHD console fans.

There's nothing wrong with trying to appeal to a larger audience. In the end, EA-owned Bioware is trying to do just that. It's a crying shame, I agree, but that's what it takes to make a profit these days.

It could have happened another way. Bioware could have remained an independant company, catering to a small niche market and working out of other people's IPs, until it went bust because it wasn't making enough money. Either way, veterans like myself lose the Bioware we loved.

At least we still have Bethesda.

For now.

Bethesda? Really? The same guys who destroyed Morrowind and made that atrocious "Oblivian" the one where your dialogs was wiki style words? No thanks. I will take Bioware games anyday over Bethesda.
Also, Fallout 3 was really bad on the plot and quest side of things. Obsidian made the better game. To bad the engine used for it sucked. I´m pretty sure that the new "Elder Scrolls" will be much more action than you think!

[Wygrath]

 Are you guys serious? This is insanity. 

Mass Effect 2 is an all around better experience than Mass Effect 1. Dragon Age 2 is an all around better experience than Origins.

Streamlining gameplay and trimming extraneous crap that adds nothing but more micromanaging is what should be happening with sequels and is what has happened. Now you fools are just grasping for anything to try to validate your opinions which, for the most part, are baseless accusations that are fueled by this wierd neophobic aversion to any slight alteration from the intial installments of both Mass Effect and Dragon Age.

I hate to break it to you haters, but some of you were the same people crying foul when Mass Effect 2 was released and it received way more accolade, praise, and attention than Mass Effect 1 did... and for good reason.

The combat in Dragon Age 2 is almost exactly the same as Origins. "Oh no they added an option to press to attack. It's an action game now!" No it isn't. You can still use auto attack and the interface for casting spells is exactly the same as Origins. Does it all happen faster and more smoothly? Yes it does and crying a river about that is the acme of foolishness.

The art style is better in DA2 and I couldn't be happier. Even my wife, who solely enjoys games vicariously through watching the stories unfold as I play, commented on the differences in Dragon Age 2 and was really impressed by it. In her words, "the backgrounds look a lot better this time around. And look at the shadows." I agreed.

You know what? I'm wasting my time here. You people are just an internet lynch mob looking for a witch. It's more than a little sad and pathetic. 

[brunomalta]

Wygrath wrote...

 Are you guys serious? This is insanity. 

Mass Effect 2 is an all around better experience than Mass Effect 1. Dragon Age 2 is an all around better experience than Origins.

Streamlining gameplay and trimming extraneous crap that adds nothing but more micromanaging is what should be happening with sequels and is what has happened. Now you fools are just grasping for anything to try to validate your opinions which, for the most part, are baseless accusations that are fueled by this wierd neophobic aversion to any slight alteration from the intial installments of both Mass Effect and Dragon Age.

I hate to break it to you haters, but some of you were the same people crying foul when Mass Effect 2 was released and it received way more accolade, praise, and attention than Mass Effect 1 did... and for good reason.

The combat in Dragon Age 2 is almost exactly the same as Origins. "Oh no they added an option to press to attack. It's an action game now!" No it isn't. You can still use auto attack and the interface for casting spells is exactly the same as Origins. Does it all happen faster and more smoothly? Yes it does and crying a river about that is the acme of foolishness.

The art style is better in DA2 and I couldn't be happier. Even my wife, who solely enjoys games vicariously through watching the stories unfold as I play, commented on the differences in Dragon Age 2 and was really impressed by it. In her words, "the backgrounds look a lot better this time around. And look at the shadows." I agreed.

You know what? I'm wasting my time here. You people are just an internet lynch mob looking for a witch. It's more than a little sad and pathetic. 

Agreed. I´m 100 % behind your post. Nice to see some sanity around here.

[Kaihel]

The only thing that could possibly bring some light into the DA2 franchise at this moment would be a toolset intergrating both DA:O and DA2, and thus allow the modders to spice up and shred proper light into the game.

[GiTEugeneX]

OMG! Frustration is everywhere

[Khayness]

Wygrath wrote...

 Are you guys serious? This is insanity. 

Mass Effect 2 is an all around better experience than Mass Effect 1. Dragon Age 2 is an all around better experience than Origins.

Streamlining gameplay and trimming extraneous crap that adds nothing but more micromanaging is what should be happening with sequels and is what has happened. Now you fools are just grasping for anything to try to validate your opinions which, for the most part, are baseless accusations that are fueled by this wierd neophobic aversion to any slight alteration from the intial installments of both Mass Effect and Dragon Age.

I hate to break it to you haters, but some of you were the same people crying foul when Mass Effect 2 was released and it received way more accolade, praise, and attention than Mass Effect 1 did... and for good reason.

The combat in Dragon Age 2 is almost exactly the same as Origins. "Oh no they added an option to press to attack. It's an action game now!" No it isn't. You can still use auto attack and the interface for casting spells is exactly the same as Origins. Does it all happen faster and more smoothly? Yes it does and crying a river about that is the acme of foolishness.

The art style is better in DA2 and I couldn't be happier. Even my wife, who solely enjoys games vicariously through watching the stories unfold as I play, commented on the differences in Dragon Age 2 and was really impressed by it. In her words, "the backgrounds look a lot better this time around. And look at the shadows." I agreed.

You know what? I'm wasting my time here. You people are just an internet lynch mob looking for a witch. It's more than a little sad and pathetic.

You aren't so different, you just have the opposing opinion. Get off the moral highground.

To add my own thoughts, I have to agree, they approach the issues in a weird angle, and instead of aiming for a middle ground, they just alienate more people.

Cutting corners is easier than putting effort into fixing the flaws. They could have made the combat more responsive without making wuxia like animations, they could have made the game more artistically unique without a drastic shift (especially with iconic stuff, like the darkspawn), they could have got rid of the useless items clogging your inventory by balancing it, etc.

Modifié par Khayness, 09 mars 2011 - 02:35 .

[vortexdr]

Wygrath wrote...

 Are you guys serious? This is insanity. 

Mass Effect 2 is an all around better experience than Mass Effect 1. Dragon Age 2 is an all around better experience than Origins.

Streamlining gameplay and trimming extraneous crap that adds nothing but more micromanaging is what should be happening with sequels and is what has happened. Now you fools are just grasping for anything to try to validate your opinions which, for the most part, are baseless accusations that are fueled by this wierd neophobic aversion to any slight alteration from the intial installments of both Mass Effect and Dragon Age.

I hate to break it to you haters, but some of you were the same people crying foul when Mass Effect 2 was released and it received way more accolade, praise, and attention than Mass Effect 1 did... and for good reason.

The combat in Dragon Age 2 is almost exactly the same as Origins. "Oh no they added an option to press to attack. It's an action game now!" No it isn't. You can still use auto attack and the interface for casting spells is exactly the same as Origins. Does it all happen faster and more smoothly? Yes it does and crying a river about that is the acme of foolishness.

The art style is better in DA2 and I couldn't be happier. Even my wife, who solely enjoys games vicariously through watching the stories unfold as I play, commented on the differences in Dragon Age 2 and was really impressed by it. In her words, "the backgrounds look a lot better this time around. And look at the shadows." I agreed.

You know what? I'm wasting my time here. You people are just an internet lynch mob looking for a witch. It's more than a little sad and pathetic. 

Perhaps for a console kiddie like you.... DA2 has lost a ton of depth due to people like you...die in a fire

[mouseUp]

Wygrath wrote...

 
Streamlining gameplay and trimming extraneous crap that adds nothing but more micromanaging is what should be happening with sequels and is what has happened.

I don't agree with you, in a sequel imo the game doesn't need to get trimmed but expanded.
you already played the first, probably played it on nightmare, did every thing you could, so the sequel needs to take it to the next level, more micromanaging, harder difficulty, better tactics, stuff like that.

for the ppl that didn't play the first game its harder to get in to, but for the fans, they will love you for it.

if you wanne please the new players make a action spin off, that can be the trimmed down version.

[17thknight]

Wygrath wrote..

Mass Effect 2 is an all around better experience than Mass Effect 1. Dragon Age 2 is an all around better experience than Origins.

DA2: 
-No isometric camera
-No detachable spell camera
-Bad male hawke voice acting
-Cant' equip party members' armor.
-Most of the loot in the game is completely useless (why the hell do I get robes as a drop when I'm playing a rogue or a warrior?)
-The combat being faster is good but it is WAAAAAAAAAY too over-the-top. A female Hawke one-handedly swinging a 10 foot long sword causing an enemy to literally explode is a bit much to swallow. Too much anime, not enough DA:O.
-Entire game is 1/3 as long as DA:O
-New designs are terrible (see the thread on the new elven design)
-A LOT of areas are copy-pasted. Nothing like running into the same stupid cave 4 times over.
-Linear to the point of being on a railroad track
-Mass Effect dialogue wheel a huge step backwards, especially the stupid emoticons next to it. (CLICK THE BIG PINK HEART TO FALL IN LOVE! WHEE SO FUN!)
-Most of the game takes place in one city
-That city looks like crap
-Most battles are endless waves of stupid trash mobs

[brunomalta]

17thknight wrote...

Wygrath wrote..

Mass Effect 2 is an all around better experience than Mass Effect 1. Dragon Age 2 is an all around better experience than Origins.

DA2: 
-No isometric camera
-No detachable spell camera
-Bad male hawke voice acting
-Cant' equip party members' armor.
-Most of the loot in the game is completely useless (why the hell do I get robes as a drop when I'm playing a rogue or a warrior?)
-The combat being faster is good but it is WAAAAAAAAAY too over-the-top. A female Hawke one-handedly swinging a 10 foot long sword causing an enemy to literally explode is a bit much to swallow. Too much anime, not enough DA:O.
-Entire game is 1/3 as long as DA:O
-New designs are terrible (see the thread on the new elven design)
-A LOT of areas are copy-pasted. Nothing like running into the same stupid cave 4 times over.
-Linear to the point of being on a railroad track
-Mass Effect dialogue wheel a huge step backwards, especially the stupid emoticons next to it. (CLICK THE BIG PINK HEART TO FALL IN LOVE! WHEE SO FUN!)
-Most of the game takes place in one city
-That city looks like crap
-Most battles are endless waves of stupid trash mobs

Well....he is right. Specially on the Bad male hawke voice acting. Mass Effect also has a bad male voice acting. Isn´t that cool? But i love my male Sheppard!

[this isnt my name]

Wygrath wrote...

 Are you guys serious? This is insanity. 

Mass Effect 2 is an all around better experience than Mass Effect 1. Dragon Age 2 is an all around better experience than Origins.

Streamlining gameplay and trimming extraneous crap that adds nothing but more micromanaging is what should be happening with sequels and is what has happened. Now you fools are just grasping for anything to try to validate your opinions which, for the most part, are baseless accusations that are fueled by this wierd neophobic aversion to any slight alteration from the intial installments of both Mass Effect and Dragon Age.

I hate to break it to you haters, but some of you were the same people crying foul when Mass Effect 2 was released and it received way more accolade, praise, and attention than Mass Effect 1 did... and for good reason.

The combat in Dragon Age 2 is almost exactly the same as Origins. "Oh no they added an option to press to attack. It's an action game now!" No it isn't. You can still use auto attack and the interface for casting spells is exactly the same as Origins. Does it all happen faster and more smoothly? Yes it does and crying a river about that is the acme of foolishness.

The art style is better in DA2 and I couldn't be happier. Even my wife, who solely enjoys games vicariously through watching the stories unfold as I play, commented on the differences in Dragon Age 2 and was really impressed by it. In her words, "the backgrounds look a lot better this time around. And look at the shadows." I agreed.

You know what? I'm wasting my time here. You people are just an internet lynch mob looking for a witch. It's more than a little sad and pathetic. 

Oh please how about you stop thinking your superior becuase you have a different oppinion.
ME2 isnt better, some like RPGs, others likeshooeter elements, its oppinion, yours means nothing to me, it isnt better becuase you say it is.
You call us haters, your a deluded fanboy, your no better than us, so how about you stop being a hypocrite.

Atleast haters give damn reasons, other than fanboys. Auto atack isnt on consoles btw.

So please stop wasting your time posting.

[Marionetten]

Wygrath wrote...

Mass Effect 2 is an all around better experience than Mass Effect 1. Dragon Age 2 is an all around better experience than Origins.

Talking about insanity...

[Gaiseric82]

Wygrath wrote...

You know what? I'm wasting my time here. You people are just an internet lynch mob looking for a witch. It's more than a little sad and pathetic. 

Actually what you're seeing on this board are people who are decrying an industry-wide trend.

'Streamlining'... Now there's a sad/pathetic joke if I ever heard it.

[Senzen Sumnor]

colata wrote...

It's business and if it doesn't make money it will vanish..

,.,yes,ti's bottomline..

DA:O was their best selling game to date?

[otherarrow]

17thknight wrote...

DA2:
-Most of the loot in the game is completely useless (why the hell do I get robes as a drop when I'm playing a rogue or a warrior?)
-A LOT of areas are copy-pasted. Nothing like running into the same stupid cave 4 times over.
-Most battles are endless waves of stupid trash mobs

I can't say much against the others. But these? Really? Origins had those problems too

[17thknight]

otherarrow wrote...

17thknight wrote...

DA2:
-Most of the loot in the game is completely useless (why the hell do I get robes as a drop when I'm playing a rogue or a warrior?)
-A LOT of areas are copy-pasted. Nothing like running into the same stupid cave 4 times over.
-Most battles are endless waves of stupid trash mobs

I can't say much against the others. But these? Really? Origins had those problems too

Wait what? In DA:O you could equip party members, so getting robes was fine, because Wynne or Morrigan could equip them.

[Gaius Octavian]

DA2 is an utter failure. Perhaps not in sales, but definitely in reviews thus far. Only fanboys and people with some sort of mental retardation (AKA, 90 percent of console players, who most likely also own a Wii and think Raving Rabids is a hardcore game) have only positive things to say about it.

Modifié par Gaius Octavian, 09 mars 2011 - 02:59 .

[otherarrow]

17thknight wrote...

otherarrow wrote...

17thknight wrote...

DA2:
-Most of the loot in the game is completely useless (why the hell do I get robes as a drop when I'm playing a rogue or a warrior?)
-A LOT of areas are copy-pasted. Nothing like running into the same stupid cave 4 times over.
-Most battles are endless waves of stupid trash mobs

I can't say much against the others. But these? Really? Origins had those problems too

Wait what? In DA:O you could equip party members, so getting robes was fine, because Wynne or Morrigan could equip them.

Didn't make 90% of the stuff you got any less useful.

[17thknight]

otherarrow wrote...


Didn't make 90% of the stuff you got any less useful.

Yeah, a lot of the stuff that dropped after the halfway point wasn't GOOD, but it was at least...equippable. I mean, what's the point in dropping plate armor in my lap if I'm a mage? What am I going to do with that? 

[David Gaider]

You can twist words out of Brent's mouth if you wish, but I would suggest talking to the man if you'd like to learn what he meant.

As it is, this has no place here. Locking this down.