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[Nonoru]

Mooh Bear wrote...

Melness wrote...

Assuming its a trailer review on combat gameplay that mentions Nightmare mode, then yes, thanks.

The assuming part is because i'm not fluent on french. So much for that.

But thanks anyway.

I've read the jeuvideo.com and test and watched the videos. They make a series of complaints regarding the game and end up with a 12/20 . The video number number 2 highlights a bug the tester encountered. Fed up with the easy-cheesy normal mode, he tried in difficult. What happened was, the game is harder but barely playable due a a targeting bug: the characters are not following orders and switch targets uncontrollably. I haven't played the game yet, so I have no opinion on the matter, but the video clearly shows the bug (on PC).

Their complaints are as follows:
- normal mode boringly easy
- average graphics
- inadequate tactical view
- lack of customization for the companions equipment
- bland, disjointed story
- overabundance of (pointless) fights, lack of non-violent quest resolution
- content recycling (within the game, not from DA:O)
- graphical bugs in DX11
- IA bugs in combat
- dumbing down of the skill system and crafting
- disappearance of the camp site and random encounters
- poor French localization (middling voice acting, general problems with translations)

They're only good side is the talent trees and the companions development. Given all that, 12/20 seems pretty generous.

Jeuxvideo.com rated Mario Galaxy 19/20.With one of the guy sayin' it deserved the perfect score.

Don't trust them.

[Melness]

Mooh Bear wrote...

Melness wrote...

But, apparently, Bob was wrong about the french review talking about the Nightmare. It only went as far as Hard (the new Normal, I think), right?

They do mention the nightmare mode: they say it's unplayable because of the targeting glitch.

Again the disclaimer: I do not endorse the review, I'm just a translator.

Really? There's a targetting glitch? Didn't notice it when I played on my friend's copy.

Anyways, that's why I say that my opinion on DA2 will vary greatly depending on how pro-active the future patches will be (I'm looking at you import feature).

But no worries, I'm not attacking your post, in fact I'm very much thankful for you taking your time to guide me through that whole french madness (there's the one language that continues to elude me). Just tried to discuss it with whoever reads my post.

Mantaal wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

xnoxiousx wrote...

actually fans have been even harsher look at the user reviews

http://www.metacriti...ii/user-reviews

Thats exactly what she was refering to. Those people are not fans, they are mostly 4chan trolls trying to bring Bioware down.

Yea! And the Illuminati also. And all the others who hate bioware for no reason! 

There may be a lack of evidence, but no sane person can believe that a hundred people registered on Metacritic only, and only, to give 0 to a single game with more than have not even masking their posts with rationale.

Besides, I don't trust anyone to give a 0 to a game. No game is unenjoyable.

Modifié par Melness, 09 mars 2011 - 10:11 .

[Faust1979]

astreqwerty wrote...

i love the negativity this game is gathering..both bioware and ea deserve it.i just hope the will know better next time they decide to pass half finished business for a respectable game(and this comes from a loyal bioware slave).NO MORE CHEAPNESS PLZ...

The game isn't gathering a lot of negativity not really. The people that enjoy the game aren't saying much because they are to busy playing it.  You pretty much just see the same people crying over and over. The haters are a vocal minority. 

[Cless Godhard]

This will not happen unless the game sells much worse than Origins, i have a feeling it will sell very well.

[Jzadek72]

Do we know it's 4chan? I've seen that the RPG Codex guys are pretty militaristic in their crusade against DA2.

[David Gaider]

Xrissie wrote...
That's a 4chan raid. Those are not serious reviews.

We're well aware of what the 4chan folks are up to and they're desperation to sound more important/numerous than they are. I mean, is there any wonder why multiple people have suddenly been running here going "OMG look at the Metacritic user reviews!" when nobody has ever done that before? Seriously.

Which is too bad, as it certainly makes those with legitimate, constructive criticisms harder to pick out amidst the dross. Be that as it may, we will listen to feedback and come to our own conclusions-- it will be all the feedback, however, and not just that provided by those determined to be the loudest and/or most obnoxious.

Modifié par David Gaider, 09 mars 2011 - 10:20 .

[Skellimancer]

David Gaider wrote...

Xrissie wrote...
That's a 4chan raid. Those are not serious reviews.

We're well aware of what the 4chan folks are up to, and they're desperation to evidently sound more important/numerous than they are. Which is too bad, as it certainly makes those with legitimate, constructive criticisms harder to pick out amidst the dross. Be that as it may, we will listen to feedback and come to our own conclusions-- it will be all the feedback, however, and not just that provided by those determined to be the loudest and/or most obnoxious.

"We" ain't up to anything. Paranoid much?

[DJBare]

solstickan wrote...

Guesswhotoo wrote...

I see a pattern that Bioware has been clinging to lately : Simplified, Streamlined, Dumbed Down, Less Complex, Less tactical, Elements removed, etc, etc, etc.......

And I see a pattern in people repeating comlaints that had no basis to begin with to no end. I can't tell you how many posts I've read about how "Dumbed down" or "Stream lined" the game is(even though this was months before release). Tiresome, to say the least. 


And OP, if you are looking to die a lot, try NM.

Yeah, strange huh? <_<

[S Atomeha]

xnoxiousx wrote...

Melness wrote...

Interestingly, every review I see makes no mention of the Nightmare mode - where tactics are supposed to matter.

Interesting on normal in da1 tactics matter.

This goes to show the dragon age 2 has optional tactics so its nothing like da1.

no. they do not. i never used tactics on normal.

[LuPoM]

solstickan wrote...

Combat is much less tactical.

Did you copy-paste that from the troll reviews on Metacritic? Did you even try Nightmare mode?

Word.. I tried Nightmare mode, and since the beginning it's way harder and more tactical than Origin was.
Now I just have to wait tomorrow morning to receive my SE of DAII

[-Semper-]

David Gaider wrote...

Xrissie wrote...
That's a 4chan raid. Those are not serious reviews.

We're well aware of what the 4chan folks are up to and they're desperation to sound more important/numerous than they are. I mean, is there any wonder why multiple people have suddenly been running here going "OMG look at the Metacritic user reviews!" when nobody has ever done that before? Seriously.

Which is too bad, as it certainly makes those with legitimate, constructive criticisms harder to pick out amidst the dross. Be that as it may, we will listen to feedback and come to our own conclusions-- it will be all the feedback, however, and not just that provided by those determined to be the loudest and/or most obnoxious.

you should have listen to all the complaints in the first place... but all you did was sitting there telling us how great your game feels and what an amazing experience it will be. all i can see is clearly a mediocre game the community was afraid of all the time.

and all this childish comments about sex... what is that about?! the writing is so bad i could cry.

Modifié par -Semper-, 09 mars 2011 - 10:41 .

[Melness]

Skellimancer wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Xrissie wrote...
That's a 4chan raid. Those are not serious reviews.

We're well aware of what the 4chan folks are up to, and they're desperation to evidently sound more important/numerous than they are. Which is too bad, as it certainly makes those with legitimate, constructive criticisms harder to pick out amidst the dross. Be that as it may, we will listen to feedback and come to our own conclusions-- it will be all the feedback, however, and not just that provided by those determined to be the loudest and/or most obnoxious.

"We" ain't up to anything. Paranoid much?

In my experience, '4chan' is interchangeable with anonimous trolls.

So while it may be unreasonable to blame 4chan for all the bad in the world, the metacritic reviews by recently registered users are certainly not a good thing.

But in this case it is quite reasonable. A few strolls by 4chan showed me that.

Modifié par Melness, 09 mars 2011 - 10:25 .

[LuPoM]

S Atomeha wrote...

xnoxiousx wrote...

Melness wrote...

Interestingly, every review I see makes no mention of the Nightmare mode - where tactics are supposed to matter.

Interesting on normal in da1 tactics matter.

This goes to show the dragon age 2 has optional tactics so its nothing like da1.

no. they do not. i never used tactics on normal.

In fact as you said in normal you just go in and fight without tactics at all!

[bangvang]

David Gaider wrote...

Xrissie wrote...
That's a 4chan raid. Those are not serious reviews.

We're well aware of what the 4chan folks are up to and they're desperation to sound more important/numerous than they are. I mean, is there any wonder why multiple people have suddenly been running here going "OMG look at the Metacritic user reviews!" when nobody has ever done that before? Seriously.

Which is too bad, as it certainly makes those with legitimate, constructive criticisms harder to pick out amidst the dross. Be that as it may, we will listen to feedback and come to our own conclusions-- it will be all the feedback, however, and not just that provided by those determined to be the loudest and/or most obnoxious.

david i just say i  buy the game and i like it alot i love it i think its alot better then the first one so dont hear on  them

[Aurgelmir]

David Gaider wrote...

Xrissie wrote...
That's a 4chan raid. Those are not serious reviews.

We're well aware of what the 4chan folks are up to and they're desperation to sound more important/numerous than they are. I mean, is there any wonder why multiple people have suddenly been running here going "OMG look at the Metacritic user reviews!" when nobody has ever done that before? Seriously.

Which is too bad, as it certainly makes those with legitimate, constructive criticisms harder to pick out amidst the dross. Be that as it may, we will listen to feedback and come to our own conclusions-- it will be all the feedback, however, and not just that provided by those determined to be the loudest and/or most obnoxious.

I seen the 4chan topic, It wasn't some /b operation(if it was you would have more than a 100 negative reviews on metacritic), it was just a topic in /v. I've seen worse on other forums, I think RPG codex has been mentioned.

Last I looked the gamespot user review was 7.0. Seems about right based on what I've seen seen, though I'm not getting to play it until tommorow

[Skellimancer]

Aurgelmir wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Xrissie wrote...
That's a 4chan raid. Those are not serious reviews.

We're well aware of what the 4chan folks are up to and they're desperation to sound more important/numerous than they are. I mean, is there any wonder why multiple people have suddenly been running here going "OMG look at the Metacritic user reviews!" when nobody has ever done that before? Seriously.

Which is too bad, as it certainly makes those with legitimate, constructive criticisms harder to pick out amidst the dross. Be that as it may, we will listen to feedback and come to our own conclusions-- it will be all the feedback, however, and not just that provided by those determined to be the loudest and/or most obnoxious.

I seen the 4chan topic, It wasn't some /b operation(if it was you would have more than a 100 negative reviews on metacritic), it was just a topic in /v. I've seen worse on other forums, I think RPG codex has been mentioned.

Last I looked the gamespot user review was 7.0. Seems about right based on what I've seen seen, though I'm not getting to play it until tommorow

Exactly. If i made a thread here saying "lets rate down the witcher" would you think its fair that these forums and the people who post here are blamed if it happens?

[BillyDeeWilliams]

Tactical does not mean difficult...

DA2 is less tactical because there is less considerations to be made like the positioning of your rogue for example. Backstabbing is a button press now instead of the player managing his position for maximun DPS.

For better or worse there are less strategic elements in play but less micromanaging as well.

[Professor Steel]

David Gaider wrote...

Xrissie wrote...
That's a 4chan raid. Those are not serious reviews.

We're well aware of what the 4chan folks are up to and they're desperation to sound more important/numerous than they are. I mean, is there any wonder why multiple people have suddenly been running here going "OMG look at the Metacritic user reviews!" when nobody has ever done that before? Seriously.

Which is too bad, as it certainly makes those with legitimate, constructive criticisms harder to pick out amidst the dross. Be that as it may, we will listen to feedback and come to our own conclusions-- it will be all the feedback, however, and not just that provided by those determined to be the loudest and/or most obnoxious.

130+340+260 reviews is hardly a raid.
People happen to dislike stuff from time to time. So much that they'll give up on being constructive. I can't deny the effort that must have gone in this game, but this game isn't treated that much worse than most sequels to commercially succesful games.

Also, your classification of 4chan folks as unimportant is less than appropriate. Those thousands of daily visitors on /v/ are still capable of buying your product you know. And there were plenty of posts giving constructive criticism.

Modifié par Professor Steel, 09 mars 2011 - 10:37 .

[iNixiRir]

-Semper- wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Xrissie wrote...
That's a 4chan raid. Those are not serious reviews.

We're well aware of what the 4chan folks are up to and they're desperation to sound more important/numerous than they are. I mean, is there any wonder why multiple people have suddenly been running here going "OMG look at the Metacritic user reviews!" when nobody has ever done that before? Seriously.

Which is too bad, as it certainly makes those with legitimate, constructive criticisms harder to pick out amidst the dross. Be that as it may, we will listen to feedback and come to our own conclusions-- it will be all the feedback, however, and not just that provided by those determined to be the loudest and/or most obnoxious.

you should have listen to all the complaints in the first place... but all you did was sitting there telling us how great your game feels and what an amazing experience it will be. all i can see is clearly a mediocre game the community was afraid of all the time.

Ah please, for some of you it's never good enough. If DA2 was more like DA:O, every single one of you would be whining the game is too identical, it's a waste of money, that BW lost it's touch and only cares about money.
Now BW tries to do something different instead of making an identical game and - obviously - it also sucks.

You people need to stop living in a fantasy world with butterflies and rainbows and where everything always stays the same...

Modifié par iNixiRir, 09 mars 2011 - 10:46 .

[ArmedChimp]

Melness wrote...

Interestingly, every review I see makes no mention of the Nightmare mode - where tactics are supposed to matter.

Review sites tend to be on a schedule and have deadlines to meet. So putting a game on the hardest difficulty setting would kinda make it somewhat harder for them to complete the game in time and write up a decent review. Especially since having the review out on the release date is kind of a big deal for big budget titles.

[Manic Sheep]

BillyDeeWilliams wrote...

Tactical does not mean difficult...

DA2 is less tactical because there is less considerations to be made like the positioning of your rogue for example. Backstabbing is a button press now instead of the player managing his position for maximun DPS.

For better or worse there are less strategic elements in play but less micromanaging as well.

So you can move around with less effort, how dose that make the game less "tactical"? Unless you really think clicking the spot behind and enemy and watching your rouge shuffle over to them is somehow more tactical and requires more intelligence. Not to mention that is one thing. There is now far more emphasise on cross class combos. DA:O had combos but they were mostly within one class like what they had with the mage spells. There is allot more friendly fire (in NM of course), you actually have to watch the position of your two hander because he can hurt you other party members with his normal attacks if your not carefull. So yeah having micromanaging positions is still very much in there.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 09 mars 2011 - 10:51 .

[Haexpane]

David Gaider wrote...

Xrissie wrote...
That's a 4chan raid. Those are not serious reviews.

We're well aware of what the 4chan folks are up to and they're desperation to sound more important/numerous than they are. I mean, is there any wonder why multiple people have suddenly been running here going "OMG look at the Metacritic user reviews!" when nobody has ever done that before? Seriously.

Which is too bad, as it certainly makes those with legitimate, constructive criticisms harder to pick out amidst the dross. Be that as it may, we will listen to feedback and come to our own conclusions-- it will be all the feedback, however, and not just that provided by those determined to be the loudest and/or most obnoxious.

Wow, talk about having no life, 4channers raiding Metacritic?  Wow that's just, I mean, I guess the only word I can think of is dull.

[fsfsfsfsfsfsf]

It's no Baldur's Gate 2, but I prefer this game to the first Dragon Age. I find it to be an improvement in almost every way. I hope it sells well and they can keep doing their thing.

[AkiKishi]

Nonoru wrote...

Jeuxvideo.com rated Mario Galaxy 19/20.With one of the guy sayin' it deserved the perfect score.

Don't trust them.

Mario Galaxy is a very good game. Not one I personaly like to play but that does not change that it is very good.

[DraconisCombine]

tardis_type_40 wrote...

Which reviews and which fans ought they be listening to? The positive reviews and fans, the negative reviews and fans, or the lukewarm reviews and fans?

Personally, I don't think they should listen to any of us. They should do what they want, create the artistic image they have in their mind's eye, release it to the world, and see who's onboard for the ride. That's always the best policy when it comes to creativity, because if you get too many thumbs in the pie, it turns into anarchy.

Exactly.Too many chefs in the kitchen and you know the rest.Meanwhile i havent seen anything else to even compete with Dragon Age.Complaints about how hard or easy it is isnt a factor since difficulty can be adjusted with a toolset.Im replaying DAO again because its a good game and an artistic marvel.