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[jds1bio]

Thanks for your replies so far everyone.

I would be part of the silent majority enjoying the game, but I came on the forum to find out info on the HQ patch, the DirectX issue, and general impressions.  But there was so much pain here.

I understand the stats not being available at the start of the DA2 dev cycle, but I'm sure stats from other games and genres were collected or purchased before DAO's release to get some data of what people were doing with games at the time. 

And I'm not saying stats are bad - I remember reading that after analyzing those 1-hour gameplay drop-offs that they concluded that the game got off to too-slow a start to keep someone's interest, which is why the very first "exaggerated" part of DA2 lets you play with the abilities and combat immediately, and more or less safely.  This makes total sense to me and I think it works.

The demo, yeah, was underwhelming to the Dragon Age veteran and the PC user, though I am glad to hear the console players are having a smoother time with the combat overall.  But Flemeth did resemble Kate Mulgrew this time, and I did get a prize for finishing the demo, so there was some fun there.

For Sebastian,the thought of Day 1 DLC has a bad connotation to the gamer, and they could have tried to distance themselves from the term better by not advertising the price.  DLC available on day one, no matter how well-intentioned, isn't going to make any game look good for the forseeable future.

[Vengeful Nature]

I felt these two points were the strongest:

jds1bio wrote...
Second, Dragon Age II is different enough from Origins as to not represent a sequel to the perceived experience of the Dragon Age veteran.  A more carefully-chosen title may have helped here, especially since early gamer feedback of the first artwork and screenshots of DA2 acknowledged from the start that the game seemed different enough and potentially smaller than the admittedly humongous DAO.  The numbered sequel in all forms of entertainment still tends to set the expectation of "more of the same just bigger and better".

I could not agree more. Some have suggested that it should have been called Dragon Age: Rise to Power, but this is academic at this point. It would have also helped reviews, I think, being able to stand on it's own two feet a little more and avoid being compared to it's predecessor.

Fourth, something awesome happens when you achieve it, not if you press a button.  This statement should never have been spoken aloud, but fortunately it is a statement that we can all look back on one day and laugh.

Exactly. It's a shame that some in the industry think that it's consumers don't have the mental acumen to feel achievement after a rewarding struggle, instead of having to resort to instant gratification.

[sssfreak]

Hyrist wrote...

I wanted Bioware to push the envelope of RPGs and they have.

No, no they havn't.

As much as DA2 is a different to DAO. They certainly have not pushed the RPG envelope.<_<

[Nefastusamator]

I personally am waiting for the toolset update also. Then issues like it being shorter and all that, I can deal with on my own. I know I CAN still mod without the toolset, but imagine trying to add quest flags and missions and NPC's and everything that goes into a really good content mod without them.

But regardless, I am quite certain this is another great game, maybe not quite as good as DA:O in some peoples eyes, but DA:O was a rarity. ME2 wasn't nearly as good of a story as ME1, but they improved enough to make me happy and hopeful for ME3.

If DA2 is half as good as DA:O its worth a play, but without the toolset I think I will wait for the price to dip.

[panamakira]

DrunkenMonkey wrote...

the trolls are gone....you will now have to cope with british trolls.

LMAO!

[FedericoV]

jds1bio wrote...

For a seemingly successful well-reviewed multi-platform release, why are the Dragon Age II forum discussions
particularly brutal right now?  I hope the answer I offer proves to be of interest to gamers, Bioware, and EA.

To be honest: that's had allways been the case with most Bioware release, since the time of BG2. The first couple of weeks in these forums are allwasy brutal when a new game is published. DA2 is a special case, because for many reasons that I have not time to list it has drawn attention of the PC victimists and hardcore lunatics. You should read some niche forums and you would see the hate some people have for Bioware, something that you can't explain rationally if we consider that we're talking about videogames. 

So, the volume of hate and vitriol people are expressing against this game has not a lot to do with the quality of the game or the marketing strategy. At least, that's just a part of the problem. Having said that, it would be delusional to dismiss all the criticism. Critical review are not looking as good as DA:O. But it's too soon to draw any kind of conclusion or explanation. Criticism takes time, patience and humility to be usefull. Having said that, even DA:O received a lot of constructive criticism at launch and no one said it was perfect. Most of the time it was hard to say why the vote was so high while the review was bashing or mocking the old school nature of the game itself (no to talk about the problems on the consolle).

And having said that I should conclude that the last word will be spoken by the mighty dollar. If DA2 sells less than DA:O it will be considered a failure. If it sells more a success. If it sells the same, mediocre.

Modifié par FedericoV, 09 mars 2011 - 11:07 .

[rhit90]

Jam442 wrote...

I had planned to set the game aside until i had finished others,"i had reserved the signature edition"but after reading how watered down the game had become i just returned it.

If and when the tool set is released i may give it another look, but until then i will keep my $60 in my pocket.

Stupidity at its finest right here

[Vengeful Nature]

rhit90 wrote...

Jam442 wrote...

I had planned to set the game aside until i had finished others,"i had reserved the signature edition"but after reading how watered down the game had become i just returned it.

If and when the tool set is released i may give it another look, but until then i will keep my $60 in my pocket.

Stupidity at its finest right here

I don't understand. I don't see anything stupid about that comment. If you have doubts about a product, you might want to save your money until you can be sure that it is definately the product you want. It seems eminantly sensible, in all honesty.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

There is no rational way too explain the trolling criticism. I call it trolling because of the quanity of hate posts. There's nothing wrong with the game origins wasn't that great If you compare the 2. Im having trouble understanding why people miss the redundant combat that made me fall asleep in heavy fight on two occasions. Or the dialogue where your charater telepathically communicates too other upcs with practically no facial expression or hint that you not tranquil. Complain all ya want seamless improvements were made. And if you want too sum the reason in a nut shell, people are afraid of change, good or bad most will protest against any kind of change.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

There is no rational way too explain the trolling criticism. I call it trolling because of the quanity of hate posts. There's nothing wrong with the game origins wasn't that great If you compare the 2. Im having trouble understanding why people miss the redundant combat that made me fall asleep in heavy fighting on two occasions. Or the dialogue where your charater telepathically communicates too other upcs with practically no facial expression, your practically tranquil. Complain all ya want seamless improvements were made. And if you want too sum the reason in a nut shell, people are afraid of change, good or bad most will protest against any kind of change in anything they like or do in life.

[Anathemic]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

There is no rational way too explain the trolling criticism. I call it trolling because of the quanity of hate posts. There's nothing wrong with the game origins wasn't that great If you compare the 2. Im having trouble understanding why people miss the redundant combat that made me fall asleep in heavy fighting on two occasions. Or the dialogue where your charater telepathically communicates too other upcs with practically no facial expression, your practically tranquil. Complain all ya want seamless improvements were made. And if you want too sum the reason in a nut shell, people are afraid of change, good or bad most will protest against any kind of change in anything they like or do in life.

Because not all people are the same? Because people have different opinions? This is very subejctive and I respect that but don't go into a state of ignorance of others' opinions else you'll look like a fool at best.

[Kulharin]

Same reason Gothic fans ripped apart Arcania: A Gothic Tale which was marketed as Gothic 4 and a sequel to the series.  Because DA:2 is a half-assed sequel that's more of a spin-off meant to appease simple minded console gamers who are 'apparently' too confused by anything other then a linear action games or FPS games.

If this game was marketed as "Rise to Power: A Dragon Age Tale" and marketed as a console spin-off then you probably wouldn't see so much hate from the fanbase.  But this "sequel" is a step back or a de-evolution in almost every aspect you can name; other then perhaps the new combat system.  It's dumbed down, it's story is fragmented, incoherent and less interesting, it is shorter, it is far more of an action game then an rpg, it is no longer tactical or challenging, there is less customization, every game mechanic has been dumbed down, it's envrionments and areas are far less interesting and varied, it's dungeons are incredibly linear, the entire game takes place in one city pretty much and a dull city and ignores the rest of Ferelden...

[Cuthlan]

Because most of the people who are truly enjoying the game are too busy playing to come here and try to compete with all of the people who are ****ing about things they don't like.

Half of the complainers are people who aren't really giving the game a chance, they're just being typical internet goons and flipping out over what they feel is wrong.

[AkiKishi]

rhit90 wrote...

Jam442 wrote...

I had planned to set the game aside until i had finished others,"i had reserved the signature edition"but after reading how watered down the game had become i just returned it.

If and when the tool set is released i may give it another look, but until then i will keep my $60 in my pocket.

Stupidity at its finest right here

Why is that stupid ? Seems more sensible that risking $60 on something you don't like the sound of.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

If people start insulting my post and calling
Me subjective I think I'm saying something right, I've been a bioware fan for almost 2 years and seeing a barrage of trolling, Spiteful, and just stupid anger with all there games is entertaining at best considering how unique there games really are. I don't blaming them for changing things in da2 if they kept almost everything the same you'd have people being angry about that. With some of you spiteful guts/ gals on here who need enemys? Bioware just has realized that they wont make everyone happy.

[Haexpane]

Cuthlan wrote...

Because most of the people who are truly enjoying the game are too busy playing to come here and try to compete with all of the people who are ****ing about things they don't like.

Half of the complainers are people who aren't really giving the game a chance, they're just being typical internet goons and flipping out over what they feel is wrong.

Wait so "complainers are goons"  What about complainers who complain about complainers?   are you a goon squared?

[Anathemic]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

If people start insulting my post and calling
Me subjective I think I'm saying something right, I've been a bioware fan for almost 2 years and seeing a barrage of trolling, Spiteful, and just stupid anger with all there games is entertaining at best considering how unique there games really are. I don't blaming them for changing things in da2 if they kept almost everything the same you'd have people being angry about that. With some of you spiteful guts/ gals on here who need enemys? Bioware just has realized that they wont make everyone happy.

Hmmm? When did calling something subjective equate to an insult? Calm down a bit.

I called your post subjective because you presented your opinion in a "this is perfect and anyone who disagrees I can't really understand them so it's wrong" way, which is really really bad and full of arrogance and ignorance.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Haexpane, if the complainers can start dozen appon dozen of hateful, spiteful and down right rude posts on a game bioware worked hard on, why cant the supporters speak up and voice there opinion?

[KingTog]

butthurt fanboys afraid of change, little else to add

[mcha82]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

If people start insulting my post and calling
Me subjective

So someone calling you subjective, that's an insult?

[Cuthlan]

Haexpane wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...

Because most of the people who are truly enjoying the game are too busy playing to come here and try to compete with all of the people who are ****ing about things they don't like.

Half of the complainers are people who aren't really giving the game a chance, they're just being typical internet goons and flipping out over what they feel is wrong.

Wait so "complainers are goons"  What about complainers who complain about complainers?   are you a goon squared?

If someone is taking it upon themselves to lead an internet crusade AGAINST the goons that are on an Anti-DA2 crusade, then yes.

In other words, no. I'm not. Pointing out the nature of the internet populace is nowhere close to the same thing.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

There is that "if" I never classified what insults me. But I diegressed I came in here too give my "subjective" opinion and that is done. Now..., where was I.., ah yes back too enjoying my game!

[Anathemic]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

There is that "if" I never classified what insults me. But I diegressed I came in here too give my "subjective" opinion and that is done. Now..., where was I.., ah yes back too enjoying my game!

Don't be a nitpicker, you obviously referred to my post for I called your opinion subjective, and in replying post to my post you related the term 'subjective' in equating to the term 'insult'.

Please don't hind behind your facade, it makes you look foolish. Now again when does calling someone subjective equate to insult?

Modifié par Anathemic, 09 mars 2011 - 11:54 .

[AkiKishi]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

There is that "if" I never classified what insults me. But I diegressed I came in here too give my "subjective" opinion and that is done. Now..., where was I.., ah yes back too enjoying my game!

There are plenty of things wrong with DA2 , it's peachy that they don't bother you. But they bother other people.
Really if I thought the sun shone out of DA2's butt I would not defend it simply because there is enough demonstratably wrong with it to make it a waste of time.

[Kemmer]

Someone elsewhere on the forums summed it best with something along the lines of:

"Old stuff is awesome. New stuff isn't old stuff."

Plus, as someone else mentioned, anonymity really brings out the negativity in some people. Myself, I'm really enjoying this game and feel that it's well worth the money. It's pulled me away from MMOs for the time being, which is no small feat .