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[Bocks]

The game is getting 8/10. In today's gaming society, you have to divide the scores that are not beyond 9.0.

Why? Because 8.0/10 looks a hell of a lot better than 4.0/10, but it doesn't change the fact that the game is dissapointing.

[randallman]

I remember Adventure Construction Set...  On the C=64...  Probably the very first 'toolkit' for making cRPGs

An old EA title from 1984...

http://en.wikipedia....onstruction_Set

Nefastusamator wrote...

Only question I have is the negativity merited or is it like the debate I just read about subjective and insult? While I am personally waiting to see if they update/release the toolset, if they don't I will probably grab a console version, I want to know if the story is worthwhile.

I can get past recycled dungeons, less inventory options, and all that if the story is still what drives the game. I read one post where the op said the story felt like a jumbled mess of quests that dont really relate to one another.

And you left out a very large group of pc gamers randallman, those who like to create content and use other users created content. Thats the real reason I prefer PC over console, though I do hate when a game is 'streamlined' from one genre(RPG) to another(Action), simply to make it easier to have on consoles. I hope that isn't the case with DA2, and it doesn't sound like the changes were all that drastic, but if the story is compelling I would still consider a worthwhile game. So....is it?

[Nefastusamator]

randallman wrote...
Unfortunately, I think that 'we the computer gamers of the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s' are forsaken...  Money talks, and the masses just plain old dont want another NWN2 style game.  HOWEVER, I do not understand why they made PC-specific changes in DA:O, but apparently not in DA2.

I still remember the first time I played Pool of Radiance - the depth to those games, even with 1mhz of 8bit awesomeness on the C=64 was quite enthralling...

...That takes me back haha, and I agree completely about feeling forsaken. I gave up on expecting depth in RPG's, or any game genre really, after the FFVII boom of fans.  More fans means more pressure from above, and more pressure means less time to make the game proper.  And before people go crazy, I understand there have been rpg's with depth since, but it saddens me that I am now surprised when I find one, instead of it being the norm.

[MartinJHolm]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

There is no rational way too explain the trolling criticism. I call it trolling because of the quanity of hate posts.

Sure the easy thing if someone has another opinion is labeing them trolls, hope that works out for you.

Sure some go overboard but even those people aren't haters, on the contrary they just had different expectations.

Just as bad as some of the complainers are the rampant "fanboys" that will defend anything for no good reason.

[Luke eckel]

forums attract trolls. proven fact.

[Steptroll]

I hate people with opinions different from the mainstream.
I want to burn and stab rip and tear those monsters who don't like the things I like. Who can't like Dragon Age II. Those people must burn.

[mr_nameless]

Not liking DA2 = troll?
Played it, finished it. This game is mediocre. As an RPG it is just plain awful.
That is my opinion and the opinion of many reviewers out there.

[Xun_Axle]

ahhh meh i ginore what others think and enjoy the game my way. simple. if i have fun then my money is well spent.

[Luke eckel]

well, if you start a thread that just says "I hate dragon age 2, it's a pos". then yes that is trolling.

[Nefastusamator]

Well thought out and stated steptroll. It's nice to see a logical mind on the board instead of the incessant unsubstantiated claims of others. You make valid points and I have to rethink my decision to hold out for the toolset and may just have to go buy the game now. You have given me much to think on.

[Leon83]

Thinks that people are more desepointed abort dragon age 2 because the are usual to get more great AAA titles from bioware than any orter developer. And dragon age 2 is just not in the same leage as all the other bioware games.



The spirit of baldurs gate are dead and a new age are upon us...

Modifié par Leon83, 10 mars 2011 - 01:15 .

[jds1bio]

Thank you for your opinion, mr_nameless. What was one of the awful RPG elements?

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Martin, you read that post I respect your opinion but how come I can't mark some of the threads as trolls but you can easily write me off as a fanboy? It's easier too call people like me that support the game as fanboys, just like it's easier too call ranters that hate the game with a passion trolls. Two sides of the same coin.

[Alpha1234]

I was beginning to fairly enjoy the game despite its massive shortcomings compared to DAO, but suddenly i entered a cave that look exactly like the previous one. And then it happened again! and AGAIN!
I was like "what...? Isnt this a sequel? why go backwards and do something as silly as copy\\paste the enviroments?"
I'm not trolling but that seriously dissapointed me.
I guess most people are hating because this is a sequel. The last game set the bar that DA2 had do deliver on, therefore the fanbase is much more critical as opposed to an entirely new game.

I would've probably enjoyed this game immensely if it was named "Kraken World: The Kirkwall Champion", but no, this is a sequel to a game i had high anticipations for.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Hyrist wrote...

I'm more or less just utterly disapointed with the reaction this game is getting so far.

It just proves to me that there is a very petty community in games nowadays expecting gold nuggets for every possible releace for everything.

If you wanted 'more of DA:O' go play mods. I wanted Bioware to push the envelope of RPGs and they have.

But opinions are like butt-holes. Everyone has one. But just becaue everyone has one does not mean rubbing your ass all over the park lawn is kosher. It's the act of a dog and you get treated like a dog for it.

People cry "omg they're catering to the lowest common demoninator". To which I laugh, at them, as a person. For feeling so petty and low to think that their opinion should be valued above a bottom line.

If the game appeals to more people then it is a better game, period. Just because it alienates your rigid preconceptions on what a game 'should' be does not, in the least, make it a bad game, or a bad design choice. It means, you, as a gamer, failed to judge the game based off of it's own merits.

If you feel as if the game wasn't woth it to you PERSONALLY then realize the difference before you start judging the game as a whole.

The self-entitlement of the online community base is sickening, IMO. Anything remotely different from an exact duplication of a formula is reacted to negatively. ME2 Wasn't dumbed down, it was changed, for the better. And it got the same BS reaction from the playerbase then too.

I'll be keeping my opinion of the changes to myself for now. I did with DA and ME/ME2 too, honestly. Because my multiple playthroughs speak for themselves.

But seriously people need to get their heads out of their own hind ends. It's just the air of aarogance that just blows me away every time I try to peak into the community.

Times like these that make me embarassed to be human.

try being a Elf. its a tough gig

Seriously, I love the game's  new features and story! I like the thought that the Dragon Age would be the Rise of a family of heroes. granted, I'm the kind of person who thought that the starwars prequel trilogy was awesome, so my opinion is not representative of the majority.

[devil_foetus]

I suspect the reason is that people are not enjoying the game.

[Mantaal]

Luke eckel wrote...

forums attract trolls. proven fact.

You are the best examble for that fact. I wonder if peoples have to much time if they need to Troll around in forums.
There is an intresting conversation here and you have nothing better to do...

[MartinJHolm]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Martin, you read that post I respect your opinion but how come I can't mark some of the threads as trolls but you can easily write me off as a fanboy? It's easier too call people like me that support the game as fanboys, just like it's easier too call ranters that hate the game with a passion trolls. Two sides of the same coin.

I'm NOT calling you a fanboy, I don't know your posting history - I'm just saying some people troll the other way around and can't ever see anything wrong with anything Bioware does.

Personally I do not approve of everyone making their own thread on what they think about the game in the first place, there is no real need for that.

But people that thinks DA2 is just flawless shouldn't dismiss everyone with a different opinon as trolls.

[sunnynchelsea]

I was big fan of DA and I felt that game was awesome with the best ever story line of any games. So I had a big expectation from DA 2. But now as I am playing it I am finding it very boring. The story line it not at all interesting to me. There is no start or finish and each tasks seems a new thing a new story. The Whole Qunari part is hilarious. The terms, words, sentences uses are all seems kinda childish to me. And still I haven't manged to get myself into this games storyline

*Sorry for my bad english.

[Mantaal]

devil_foetus wrote...

I suspect the reason is that people are not enjoying the game.

Wrong! They hate for no reason! Its a proven Fact that everyone not enjoying DA2 are Trolls. And every bad Review is Trolling.

I think the OP is right with his opinion. But i think he would have to add that there are some Peoples dont like DA2 because they where waiting for a Bioware Roleplaying game and not enjoying Hack&slash games with roleplay elements. There is noting wrong with those games. I played Diablo2 when i was in the Army. But i think many peoples where just not prepared for that kind of game with such a Name (Dragon Age) 

btw the Title "Hack&slash game with Roleplay elements" are not my words. I got that from a Game magazine.

[contown]

The forums are brutal because DA2 isn't very good... And of course, the bioware devs and fanboys say every bad user review is just a troll.

The RPG elements are extremely simplified, (you can only get a couple pieces of armor for your companions...) the main plot has no sense of direction, rising action, or pacing until the last hour of the game, every character is entirely forgettable, and the dialogue is very hit or miss.

[ShooGun]

The gaming industry is already flooded with streamlined, action oriented titles. Bioware games stood out because of its quality and quantity of choices you can make and the immersion they gave. Dragon Age 2 is a good action-oriented RPG with decent story and average length of playtime but It's only good in an average way. Alot of the folks here pre-ordered/bought DA2 expecting Bioware's unique quality, not just a good game to spend 12 hours on. Instead fans got a generalized version of one of their favorite games, DA:O. Of course fans will be dissapointed. EA's typical story of destroying uniqueness of game companies in order to get short term profits..

[Alpha1234]

ShooGun wrote...

The gaming industry is already flooded with streamlined, action oriented titles. Bioware games stood out because of its quality and quantity of choices you can make and the immersion they gave. Dragon Age 2 is a good action-oriented RPG with decent story and average length of playtime but It's only good in an average way. Alot of the folks here pre-ordered/bought DA2 expecting Bioware's unique quality, not just a good game to spend 12 hours on. Instead fans got a generalized version of one of their favorite games, DA:O. Of course fans will be dissapointed. EA's typical story of destroying uniqueness of game companies in order to get short term profits..

This!
Thumbs up!
+1
etc etc.

[Deadmac]

jds1bio wrote...
For a seemingly successful well-reviewed multi-platform release, why are the Dragon Age II forum discussions
particularly brutal right now?

What is interesting is that many of the online game magazine (and review) sites are giving the game high marks, but they do so while agreeing with those who do not like the game. Similar to the scores on the front page of "Dragon Age II's" site. If you actually read the reviews behind those scores, they are in contradiction to the ranking in which they give the game. Its a well ranked game on the surface, but the comments within the reveiws are negative. Some are sugar coating how they truly feel. Its kind of funny.

Only a 'small' handful of the reveiws are matching their ranking. Also, hordes of gamers are giving this game a 7.2 out of ten on most sites. Lol...

"Dragon Age II" is being called a 'good' game not a 'must have or must play' game.

Calling this a good game is still a stretch.

Modifié par Deadmac, 10 mars 2011 - 01:54 .

[randallman]

ShooGun wrote...

The gaming industry is already flooded with streamlined, action oriented titles. Bioware games stood out because of its quality and quantity of choices you can make and the immersion they gave. Dragon Age 2 is a good action-oriented RPG with decent story and average length of playtime but It's only good in an average way. Alot of the folks here pre-ordered/bought DA2 expecting Bioware's unique quality, not just a good game to spend 12 hours on. Instead fans got a generalized version of one of their favorite games, DA:O. Of course fans will be dissapointed. EA's typical story of destroying uniqueness of game companies in order to get short term profits..

This aint BG, BG2, NWN, NWN2, or KotOR - this is for sure.