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[jds1bio]

There are some people who don't like DA2 because they were indeed waiting for DAO The Next Generation. But for months we have been told that DA2 would be played only as a main human character, the conversations would work differently, and the setting would be more up close and personal. Perhaps their dislike of the game was brewing during those months, I don't know.

This doesn't mean that DAO The Next Generation will not be ever made, but when the talk is filled with things like the decline of the RPG and "I'm throwing my copy of DA2 in the garbage" (I did read that on the forums today), it tends to end up being a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[neverhoodyn]

Because most games nowadays are not about the gameplay, it's about marketing. Of course people are going to be dissapointed when they realised they have been brainwashed into buying the game, it's disgusting.

[Melca36]

The fans should consider themselves lucky they get to voice their opinion. I beta tested the Sims Online game, and quit the beta because I thought it was a garbage game. Any beta tester who said anything bad about the game was banned.  

But getting back to the point, I think its just human nature...people hate change.

[Mantaal]

ShooGun wrote...

The gaming industry is already flooded with streamlined, action oriented titles. Bioware games stood out because of its quality and quantity of choices you can make and the immersion they gave. Dragon Age 2 is a good action-oriented RPG with decent story and average length of playtime but It's only good in an average way. Alot of the folks here pre-ordered/bought DA2 expecting Bioware's unique quality, not just a good game to spend 12 hours on. Instead fans got a generalized version of one of their favorite games, DA:O. Of course fans will be dissapointed. EA's typical story of destroying uniqueness of game companies in order to get short term profits..

I cant agree more.

[Loremazd]

spikey84 wrote...

i guess what people are pissed off about it not as long as dragon age orgins thats the only worry i have with it

It depends, I've found the sidequests are meatier, often leading to more sidequests in and of themselves. I've logged 17 hours and i've not even completed act one. But: people have beaten the game in 15 hours, yes.

[Alpha1234]

Melca36 wrote...
But getting back to the point, I think its just human nature...people hate change.

I thought of that too, but for my part this is the first game which i have anticipated that i really dislike. I have always been alright with changes because i considering myself as an adult with an open mind. So i have really asked myself: "Why do i dislike this game?"

The reason is mainly that this is a sequel to an RPG that was on the "far left" side of the rpg spectrum(D&D, BG), whilst the sequel bounced itself over to the "far right" among diablo\\jrpg-esque  games.
I feel it hasnt been "improved", it  has been "restarted".

[randallman]

What I don't get is *why* they changed the core elements for DA2. DA:O was Game of the Year and sold 3.2million copies as of Feb 2010 (http://www.bluesnews...-platinum-sales).

Why not just build another story with most of the same features that made it such a great seller?

You could point out that humans do not like change... I tend to agree - but we *really* don't like change when change is not warranted.

[randallman]

Alpha1234 wrote...

I thought of that too, but for my part this is the first game which i have anticipated that i really dislike. I have always been alright with changes because i considering myself as an adult with an open mind. So i have really asked myself: "Why do i dislike this game?"

The reason is mainly that this is a sequel to an RPG that was on the "far left" side of the rpg spectrum(D&D, BG), whilst the sequel bounced itself over to the "far right" among diablojrpg-esque  games.
I feel it hasnt been "improved", it  has been "restarted".

Civ V was a huge let down... Earth and Beyond was a let down after the initial 15 hrs of gameplay, but it was an MMO so they could fix it.  Star Wars Galaxies?  TOTAL waste.

This isn't the first time I'll buy a game that is less than stellar, and it surely won't be the last.  It just seems to be happenning more often as of late.

--Randall

[Melduran]

The game feels empty of passion imo, whenever anything of art is produced for profit and not passion it will be shallow and mediocore at best.

[Vasparian]

I expected a grand epic game on the scale or bigger than DAO. What I got was a small game that had even fewer areas to visit than Final Fantasy XIII. Hell.. The ORIGINAL dragon quest/warrior from NES had more locations to visit.

[Kiron2222]

Melca36 wrote...

The fans should consider themselves lucky they get to voice their opinion. I beta tested the Sims Online game, and quit the beta because I thought it was a garbage game. Any beta tester who said anything bad about the game was banned.  

But getting back to the point, I think its just human nature...people hate change.

That's EA for you.

As I said in another thread, Dragon Age 2 is a result of lack of vision, rushed development cycle and trying to capture the audience of a certain shooting game and another large romance-ridden spiky haired RPG franchise that has gone down the drain. (which is ironic because Bioware ragged on it for the same issues that are present in DA2)

While I still think Mass Effect 3 will be a great game (due to it's longer development cycle and it plays well even when dumbed down as it is a great third person shooter), Dragon Age 2 was obviously something they were pushed into develop by EA to fill the gap between ME2 and ME3.

I am guessing 16 hour workdays, 7 days a week for most of it's development? That would explain the rushed feeling of the game and now why certain EA/Bioware staff are very agitated by the reception the game is getting.

While the forums are getting trolled by a select few individuals, /v/ isn't actually doing any raiding nor have I seen any organized raiding, I honestly think that alot of people just suck at expressing their opinions in threads and when they get called out as trolls by Biodrones with posts like "I haven't played the game yet, but I know you are lying and the game is awesome", they get pretty pissed off and start their evolution into Troll form... sadly noone there is to press B during the Evolution phase 

Modifié par Kiron2222, 10 mars 2011 - 02:15 .

[Anathemic]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Like I said, too get a rise out of a girl that likes too look politically correct in front of other readers, also I'll get right on fixing my grammar, oh wait I typed all this on my iPhone that doesn't have Microsoft word, owell oh and for Christ sakes I used your word "subjective" not too claim it as an insult but "when people start telling me I have a "one way"opinion" that I'm doing something right. I never said or claimed being called subjective as an insult I was more or less mocking you while making a statement.

I never stated you had a "one way opinion" I stated that you opinion came off as arrogant/ignorant. Hence why I emphasized the term subjective, to remind you that your opinion is just that, an opinion.

Actually you did:

http://social.biowar...6438698/6440335

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

If people start insulting my post and calling

Me subjective I think I'm saying something right, I've been a bioware
fan for almost 2 years and seeing a barrage of trolling, Spiteful, and
just stupid anger with all there games is entertaining at best
considering how unique there games really are. I don't blaming them for
changing things in da2 if they kept almost everything the same you'd
have people being angry about that. With some of you spiteful guts/ gals
on here who need enemys? Bioware just has realized that they wont make
everyone happy.

Bolded part shows you related the term 'insulting' to 'subjective', why else would you even put the term 'subjective' there in the first place? Unless you were somehow offended and attatched it to the main idea which is 'insulting.'

And please stop with the ad hominem.

Oh and you didn't answer my question: So when did calling somebody subjective equate to insult?

[jds1bio]

@melduran, so DA2 was produced purely for profit and no passion could have existed?

I've been reading all over the forums that EA and Bioware are all about profit, they have no customer loyalty, only care about investors, and they've turned their back on their loyal customers just because they want to appeal to more people. These are pretty brutal accusations.

A company is not allowed to try to make money by offering an incentive to pre-order? So they charge a new game owner for a non-core character that someone got for free by pre-ordering. Well I just booked a hotel room at a base rate that automatically upgrades my room to a better one, and gives me a credit on food and beverage, but I had to pay for the entire stay up front (I'm not making this up either). The person who books a hotel room the day of their first night's stay has to now pay extra if they want food from the hotel, which is not required for their stay. Did that person get screwed just as much as people think they got screwed with DA2 because they have to pay for Sebastian if they want him?

Furthermore, what's wrong with wanting to appeal to more people? Every single person on the planet wants this for themselves. And how have the companies abandoned anyone? Did they stop making games? Or worse, did they decide to go episodic and charge more per Act or per quest? In the past year and a half we've gotten two Dragon Age games and lots of extra content for the first one, yet we haven't seen Half Life Episode 3 from Valve in over three years.

@vasparian, so you've finished the game then?

[Nefastusamator]

jds1bio wrote...

Furthermore, what's wrong with wanting to appeal to more people? Every single person on the planet wants this for themselves. And how have the companies abandoned anyone? Did they stop making games? Or worse, did they decide to go episodic and charge more per Act or per quest? In the past year and a half we've gotten two Dragon Age games and lots of extra content for the first one, yet we haven't seen Half Life Episode 3 from Valve in over three years.

@vasparian, so you've finished the game then?

Well if, and I mean if, what I read is true and they completely changed some of the core mechanics, it's easy to see why people would feel abandoned.  Using your hotel reference, it would be a bit like going to a hotel with a great indoor waterpark so you could use the park, and when you get there the waterpark was converted to an arcade.  Both fun, sure, but if you were expecting a waterpark, an arcade might be dissappointing.  It seems that's what some people feel like, that they thought they were getting a more traditional RPG, like DA:O, and instead got an action game where your character has levels and talents. 

I don't support the dissapointed or the trolls, I was just pointing out how they might feel abandoned.  Just because Bioware announced this game was going to be more focused on action, didn't mean people would expect some of the RPG elements to vanish.

[VanDraegon]

It is always like this with a new release. It happened with DA:O, Awakenings and every piece of DA:O DLC. Some people have an axe to grind with Bioware, for some it is the game not meeting their expectations and for some it is just plain old trolling.

It wont ever go away either. It will happen with The Wiitcher 2, and Skyrim as well.

Modifié par VanDraegon, 10 mars 2011 - 03:01 .

[Nefastusamator]

Yeah, I can't understand the Bioware hatred. It doesn't seem to matter if a game meets all my expectations, falls way short, or just plain is a different game, bioware seems to make a quality fun game. In ME2, I didn't like losing alot of the inventory, or the ability to just land on a planet for no reason, or the way the skills shrank and experience was handled or a host of other things, but ME2 still ended up being one of the better games released at that time. I am sure I will feel the same about this game, if the story is good.

[Anathemic]

VanDraegon wrote...

It is always like this with a new release. It happened with DA:O, Awakenings and every piece of DA:O DLC. Some people have an axe to grind with Bioware, for some it is the game not meeting their expectations and for some it is just plain old trolling.

It wont ever go away either. It will happen with The Wiitcher 2, and Skyrim as well.

At this level of complaints? I don't think so. You need to check out some other forums bud

[AJRimmsey]

VanDraegon wrote...

It is always like this with a new release. It happened with DA:O, Awakenings and every piece of DA:O DLC. Some people have an axe to grind with Bioware, for some it is the game not meeting their expectations and for some it is just plain old trolling.

It wont ever go away either. It will happen with The Wiitcher 2, and Skyrim as well.

Yup,sad as it is theres a vast pool of people out there who get more fun on forums than in a game.

Hoping your wrong about Witcher 2,thats the game i have my sights set on.
Skyrim i gave up on after reading the generic interviews and promises,thats always a bad sign these days.

Theres little to no love in the big development houses anymore,but the Witchers crew still has the craving to please and gain respect,which will probably disappear over time,but praying its still there right now.

[Gatt9]

jds1bio wrote...

@melduran, so DA2 was produced purely for profit and no passion could have existed?

I've been reading all over the forums that EA and Bioware are all about profit, they have no customer loyalty, only care about investors, and they've turned their back on their loyal customers just because they want to appeal to more people. These are pretty brutal accusations.

A company is not allowed to try to make money by offering an incentive to pre-order? So they charge a new game owner for a non-core character that someone got for free by pre-ordering. Well I just booked a hotel room at a base rate that automatically upgrades my room to a better one, and gives me a credit on food and beverage, but I had to pay for the entire stay up front (I'm not making this up either). The person who books a hotel room the day of their first night's stay has to now pay extra if they want food from the hotel, which is not required for their stay. Did that person get screwed just as much as people think they got screwed with DA2 because they have to pay for Sebastian if they want him?

Furthermore, what's wrong with wanting to appeal to more people? Every single person on the planet wants this for themselves. And how have the companies abandoned anyone? Did they stop making games? Or worse, did they decide to go episodic and charge more per Act or per quest? In the past year and a half we've gotten two Dragon Age games and lots of extra content for the first one, yet we haven't seen Half Life Episode 3 from Valve in over three years.

@vasparian, so you've finished the game then?

EA's got a long standing history of buying studios,  pushing them to release sequels to their established products as fast as possible,  and then folding them when the sequels don't generate money any more.  Bioware is a wonderful example,  EA bought them for access to the Star Wars MMO,  as Bioware wasn't a massive money generator.  They did ok,  but they're not Bungie.  So in the interim while the MMO's being worked on,  Bioware goes from 3 year dev cycles to 12 months,  and suddenly they've started making Action games over RPGs.  It really isn't tough to see the connection here.

Then on top of it there's the 0 day DLC.  Nothing says Money Grab like 0 day DLC,  that stuff was done and tested before the masters were sent.  It was intentionally held back to get you to pay $80-$100 for the game instead of $60.  Selling me X-packs as DLC is one thing,  going the Capcom route and selling me a small game before and after I'll tolerate.  Selling me items and quests on Day 0?  That's just holding me hostage to get the whole game.

What's wrong with wanting to appeal to more people?  Nothing,  so long as it doesn't mean abandoning the framework that forms the basis of the genres you're claiming to support.  ME2 is a great example,  ME1 was an RPG,  ME2 claimed it was an RPG,  but turned out to be a really bad ripoff of Gears of War,  all of the concepts that make an RPG were completely disregarded in order to grab some shooter fans.  I got burned on that one,  so now I won't buy Bioware games until I see the reviews and forums.

It's really obvious Bioware's making "RPGs" for people who hate RPGs now.  Seriously,  color coding the dialogue so you don't have to read it to be a good guy or a bad guy?  Like one reviewer said,  why even bother letting players choose answers,  just add an extra check box on the start screen to play a good guy or a bad guy,  especially since it doesn't matter which route you choose.

Which is exactly why I'm here,  and exactly why I've decided not to buy. 

[VanDraegon]

Anathemic wrote...

VanDraegon wrote...

It is always like this with a new release. It happened with DA:O, Awakenings and every piece of DA:O DLC. Some people have an axe to grind with Bioware, for some it is the game not meeting their expectations and for some it is just plain old trolling.

It wont ever go away either. It will happen with The Wiitcher 2, and Skyrim as well.

At this level of complaints? I don't think so. You need to check out some other forums bud

Uh, yes, at this level of complaints. bud

[Coik]

Anathemic wrote...
At this level of complaints? I don't think so. You need to check out some other forums bud

This is about the same level of complaining I remember seeing around the time Origins came out.

And Awakening.  And the DLC.  And Mass Effect 2...

It's a pretty predictable cycle.  Obviously the Reapers have a hand in it.

[Anathemic]

VanDraegon wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

VanDraegon wrote...

It is always like this with a new release. It happened with DA:O, Awakenings and every piece of DA:O DLC. Some people have an axe to grind with Bioware, for some it is the game not meeting their expectations and for some it is just plain old trolling.

It wont ever go away either. It will happen with The Wiitcher 2, and Skyrim as well.

At this level of complaints? I don't think so. You need to check out some other forums bud

Uh, yes, at this level of complaints. bud

Meant 'As', as in you expect this level of complaints on other gaming boards?

[jds1bio]

Gatt9 wrote...

What's wrong with wanting to appeal to more people?  Nothing,  so long as it doesn't mean abandoning the framework that forms the basis of the genres you're claiming to support.  ME2 is a great example,  ME1 was an RPG,  ME2 claimed it was an RPG,  but turned out to be a really bad ripoff of Gears of War,  all of the concepts that make an RPG were completely disregarded in order to grab some shooter fans.  I got burned on that one,  so now I won't buy Bioware games until I see the reviews and forums.

It's really obvious Bioware's making "RPGs" for people who hate RPGs now.  Seriously,  color coding the dialogue so you don't have to read it to be a good guy or a bad guy?  Like one reviewer said,  why even bother letting players choose answers,  just add an extra check box on the start screen to play a good guy or a bad guy,  especially since it doesn't matter which route you choose.

Which is exactly why I'm here,  and exactly why I've decided not to buy. 

I hear what you're saying.  Sorry you felt burned by ME2 as a Gears ripoff.  ME1 sort of had an identity crisis as an RPG to begin with, and ME2 kind of dealt with that crisis, for better or worse.  I still had fun with it.  But, based on the reveal done so far, I can't be sure that we'll even be playing as Shepard in ME3.  I'm curious, but not ready to throw in the towel yet.

And if SWTOR doesn't make money, I'm sure someone will be willing to finance the Bioware guys going forward, so I have some hope.  After all, the sitcom, the printed book, and the single-player RPG have all been declared dead before, but yet they're all still around and thriving in 2011.

[AuraofMana]

pumpkinman13 wrote...

Simple answer: Cus they're raging that Dragon Age 2 is Dragon Age 2 when what they were expecting was Baldur's Gate 3.

No, they were expecting Dragon Age: Origins 2. Even DA:O wasn't BG3.

[VanDraegon]

Anathemic wrote...
Meant 'As', as in you expect this level of complaints on other gaming boards?

I absolutely do. I have seen it many times before. It is the nature of some of our brethren gamers.