VanDraegon wrote...
Anathemic wrote...
Meant 'As', as in you expect this level of complaints on other gaming boards?
I absolutely do. I have seen it many times before. It is the nature of some of our brethren gamers.
Gatt9 wrote...
jds1bio wrote...
@melduran, so DA2 was produced purely for profit and no passion could have existed?
I've been reading all over the forums that EA and Bioware are all about profit, they have no customer loyalty, only care about investors, and they've turned their back on their loyal customers just because they want to appeal to more people. These are pretty brutal accusations.
A company is not allowed to try to make money by offering an incentive to pre-order? So they charge a new game owner for a non-core character that someone got for free by pre-ordering. Well I just booked a hotel room at a base rate that automatically upgrades my room to a better one, and gives me a credit on food and beverage, but I had to pay for the entire stay up front (I'm not making this up either). The person who books a hotel room the day of their first night's stay has to now pay extra if they want food from the hotel, which is not required for their stay. Did that person get screwed just as much as people think they got screwed with DA2 because they have to pay for Sebastian if they want him?
Furthermore, what's wrong with wanting to appeal to more people? Every single person on the planet wants this for themselves. And how have the companies abandoned anyone? Did they stop making games? Or worse, did they decide to go episodic and charge more per Act or per quest? In the past year and a half we've gotten two Dragon Age games and lots of extra content for the first one, yet we haven't seen Half Life Episode 3 from Valve in over three years.
@vasparian, so you've finished the game then?
EA's got a long standing history of buying studios, pushing them to release sequels to their established products as fast as possible, and then folding them when the sequels don't generate money any more. Bioware is a wonderful example, EA bought them for access to the Star Wars MMO, as Bioware wasn't a massive money generator. They did ok, but they're not Bungie. So in the interim while the MMO's being worked on, Bioware goes from 3 year dev cycles to 12 months, and suddenly they've started making Action games over RPGs. It really isn't tough to see the connection here.
Then on top of it there's the 0 day DLC. Nothing says Money Grab like 0 day DLC, that stuff was done and tested before the masters were sent. It was intentionally held back to get you to pay $80-$100 for the game instead of $60. Selling me X-packs as DLC is one thing, going the Capcom route and selling me a small game before and after I'll tolerate. Selling me items and quests on Day 0? That's just holding me hostage to get the whole game.
What's wrong with wanting to appeal to more people? Nothing, so long as it doesn't mean abandoning the framework that forms the basis of the genres you're claiming to support. ME2 is a great example, ME1 was an RPG, ME2 claimed it was an RPG, but turned out to be a really bad ripoff of Gears of War, all of the concepts that make an RPG were completely disregarded in order to grab some shooter fans. I got burned on that one, so now I won't buy Bioware games until I see the reviews and forums.
It's really obvious Bioware's making "RPGs" for people who hate RPGs now. Seriously, color coding the dialogue so you don't have to read it to be a good guy or a bad guy? Like one reviewer said, why even bother letting players choose answers, just add an extra check box on the start screen to play a good guy or a bad guy, especially since it doesn't matter which route you choose.
Which is exactly why I'm here, and exactly why I've decided not to buy.
AuraofMana wrote...
No, they were expecting Dragon Age: Origins 2. Even DA:O wasn't BG3.pumpkinman13 wrote...
Simple answer: Cus they're raging that Dragon Age 2 is Dragon Age 2 when what they were expecting was Baldur's Gate 3.
IRMcGhee wrote...
AuraofMana wrote...
No, they were expecting Dragon Age: Origins 2. Even DA:O wasn't BG3.pumpkinman13 wrote...
Simple answer: Cus they're raging that Dragon Age 2 is Dragon Age 2 when what they were expecting was Baldur's Gate 3.
It's not supposed to be Dragon Age:Origins 2, it's the second game set in the Dragon Age Universe. They could make a third one as an RTS if they liked.
Modifié par Anathemic, 10 mars 2011 - 04:46 .
VanDraegon wrote...
Anathemic wrote...
Meant 'As', as in you expect this level of complaints on other gaming boards?
I absolutely do. I have seen it many times before. It is the nature of some of our brethren gamers.
OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...
If people start insulting my post and calling
Me subjective I think I'm saying something right, I've been a bioware fan for almost 2 years and
RedDragynLady wrote...
Well, I think the answer is something a bit more simple.
In short: The ones you see here are the vocal minority. Those who enjoy the game, who have been having fun and have few complaints... are playing the game. Those that don't like it are coming here to complain about it.
Modifié par CrashB111, 10 mars 2011 - 05:00 .
Mecha Tengu wrote...
hey guys was the game good? was it bad like the community predicted it was going to be?
still havent bought it
Modifié par NismoTyler, 10 mars 2011 - 05:20 .
Modifié par NismoTyler, 10 mars 2011 - 05:19 .
CrashB111 wrote...
Mecha Tengu wrote...
hey guys was the game good? was it bad like the community predicted it was going to be?
still havent bought it
The game is good, its just not DA:O 2.0 like alot of buthurt fanbois wanted.
MassEffect762 wrote...
Gatt9 wrote...
jds1bio wrote...
@melduran, so DA2 was produced purely for profit and no passion could have existed?
I've been reading all over the forums that EA and Bioware are all about profit, they have no customer loyalty, only care about investors, and they've turned their back on their loyal customers just because they want to appeal to more people. These are pretty brutal accusations.
A company is not allowed to try to make money by offering an incentive to pre-order? So they charge a new game owner for a non-core character that someone got for free by pre-ordering. Well I just booked a hotel room at a base rate that automatically upgrades my room to a better one, and gives me a credit on food and beverage, but I had to pay for the entire stay up front (I'm not making this up either). The person who books a hotel room the day of their first night's stay has to now pay extra if they want food from the hotel, which is not required for their stay. Did that person get screwed just as much as people think they got screwed with DA2 because they have to pay for Sebastian if they want him?
Furthermore, what's wrong with wanting to appeal to more people? Every single person on the planet wants this for themselves. And how have the companies abandoned anyone? Did they stop making games? Or worse, did they decide to go episodic and charge more per Act or per quest? In the past year and a half we've gotten two Dragon Age games and lots of extra content for the first one, yet we haven't seen Half Life Episode 3 from Valve in over three years.
@vasparian, so you've finished the game then?
EA's got a long standing history of buying studios, pushing them to release sequels to their established products as fast as possible, and then folding them when the sequels don't generate money any more. Bioware is a wonderful example, EA bought them for access to the Star Wars MMO, as Bioware wasn't a massive money generator. They did ok, but they're not Bungie. So in the interim while the MMO's being worked on, Bioware goes from 3 year dev cycles to 12 months, and suddenly they've started making Action games over RPGs. It really isn't tough to see the connection here.
Then on top of it there's the 0 day DLC. Nothing says Money Grab like 0 day DLC, that stuff was done and tested before the masters were sent. It was intentionally held back to get you to pay $80-$100 for the game instead of $60. Selling me X-packs as DLC is one thing, going the Capcom route and selling me a small game before and after I'll tolerate. Selling me items and quests on Day 0? That's just holding me hostage to get the whole game.
What's wrong with wanting to appeal to more people? Nothing, so long as it doesn't mean abandoning the framework that forms the basis of the genres you're claiming to support. ME2 is a great example, ME1 was an RPG, ME2 claimed it was an RPG, but turned out to be a really bad ripoff of Gears of War, all of the concepts that make an RPG were completely disregarded in order to grab some shooter fans. I got burned on that one, so now I won't buy Bioware games until I see the reviews and forums.
It's really obvious Bioware's making "RPGs" for people who hate RPGs now. Seriously, color coding the dialogue so you don't have to read it to be a good guy or a bad guy? Like one reviewer said, why even bother letting players choose answers, just add an extra check box on the start screen to play a good guy or a bad guy, especially since it doesn't matter which route you choose.
Which is exactly why I'm here, and exactly why I've decided not to buy.
Have to agree with you.
NismoTyler wrote...
MassEffect762 wrote...
Gatt9 wrote...
jds1bio wrote...
@melduran, so DA2 was produced purely for profit and no passion could have existed?
I've been reading all over the forums that EA and Bioware are all about profit, they have no customer loyalty, only care about investors, and they've turned their back on their loyal customers just because they want to appeal to more people. These are pretty brutal accusations.
A company is not allowed to try to make money by offering an incentive to pre-order? So they charge a new game owner for a non-core character that someone got for free by pre-ordering. Well I just booked a hotel room at a base rate that automatically upgrades my room to a better one, and gives me a credit on food and beverage, but I had to pay for the entire stay up front (I'm not making this up either). The person who books a hotel room the day of their first night's stay has to now pay extra if they want food from the hotel, which is not required for their stay. Did that person get screwed just as much as people think they got screwed with DA2 because they have to pay for Sebastian if they want him?
Furthermore, what's wrong with wanting to appeal to more people? Every single person on the planet wants this for themselves. And how have the companies abandoned anyone? Did they stop making games? Or worse, did they decide to go episodic and charge more per Act or per quest? In the past year and a half we've gotten two Dragon Age games and lots of extra content for the first one, yet we haven't seen Half Life Episode 3 from Valve in over three years.
@vasparian, so you've finished the game then?
EA's got a long standing history of buying studios, pushing them to release sequels to their established products as fast as possible, and then folding them when the sequels don't generate money any more. Bioware is a wonderful example, EA bought them for access to the Star Wars MMO, as Bioware wasn't a massive money generator. They did ok, but they're not Bungie. So in the interim while the MMO's being worked on, Bioware goes from 3 year dev cycles to 12 months, and suddenly they've started making Action games over RPGs. It really isn't tough to see the connection here.
Then on top of it there's the 0 day DLC. Nothing says Money Grab like 0 day DLC, that stuff was done and tested before the masters were sent. It was intentionally held back to get you to pay $80-$100 for the game instead of $60. Selling me X-packs as DLC is one thing, going the Capcom route and selling me a small game before and after I'll tolerate. Selling me items and quests on Day 0? That's just holding me hostage to get the whole game.
What's wrong with wanting to appeal to more people? Nothing, so long as it doesn't mean abandoning the framework that forms the basis of the genres you're claiming to support. ME2 is a great example, ME1 was an RPG, ME2 claimed it was an RPG, but turned out to be a really bad ripoff of Gears of War, all of the concepts that make an RPG were completely disregarded in order to grab some shooter fans. I got burned on that one, so now I won't buy Bioware games until I see the reviews and forums.
It's really obvious Bioware's making "RPGs" for people who hate RPGs now. Seriously, color coding the dialogue so you don't have to read it to be a good guy or a bad guy? Like one reviewer said, why even bother letting players choose answers, just add an extra check box on the start screen to play a good guy or a bad guy, especially since it doesn't matter which route you choose.
Which is exactly why I'm here, and exactly why I've decided not to buy.
Have to agree with you.
+1
VanDraegon wrote...
It is always like this with a new release. It happened with DA:O, Awakenings and every piece of DA:O DLC. Some people have an axe to grind with Bioware, for some it is the game not meeting their expectations and for some it is just plain old trolling.
It wont ever go away either. It will happen with The Wiitcher 2, and Skyrim as well.
Phial wrote...
VanDraegon wrote...
It is always like this with a new release. It happened with DA:O, Awakenings and every piece of DA:O DLC. Some people have an axe to grind with Bioware, for some it is the game not meeting their expectations and for some it is just plain old trolling.
It wont ever go away either. It will happen with The Wiitcher 2, and Skyrim as well.
It won't happen with the Witcher 2. Guess who's leading the charge against this game? PC gamers of course, and if there's one thing they love it's European-developed PC exclusives. Grumpy old PC gamers who love to go on nearly identical rants about things being "dumbed down" and "consolized" and how they're appealing to the lowest-common denominator and where are games for true Hardcore gamers?! Kids these days should also get off my lawn.
I'm actually an old-school PC gamer so trust me, these are just obsessive (if you've played old PC games you know what I'm talking about) unhappy people who probably don't enjoy games at all anymore but can't stop playing them. They love complaining and claiming superiority because they have low self-esteem.
Modifié par NismoTyler, 10 mars 2011 - 06:43 .
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