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[-akujin-]

Seketh wrote...
We're not letting this one die.

*signed & bump*

[Domingo_X]

Another bump. Whatever it takes to get some kind of response.

[Unichrone]

Bump. BioWare, acknowledge this.

[smijos]

I am also having this exact issue (and it sucks).  For whatever reason, Unichrone, I think acknowledgement of the issue ended with Luke Barrett.  Don't know why they overlooked a 7 page thread.

Luke Barrett wrote...

I can confirm that all posts are read. In fact I can confirm that I read every single post in this section at least once.

Issue has been filed and we'll be looking in to it. If anyone else has this issue please let me know if you have a steam version or not.

from http://social.biowar...-6596978-1.html

[Tenshinhan91]

smijos wrote...

I am also having this exact issue (and it sucks).  For whatever reason, Unichrone, I think acknowledgement of the issue ended with Luke Barrett.  Don't know why they overlooked a 7 page thread.

Luke Barrett wrote...

I can confirm that all posts are read. In fact I can confirm that I read every single post in this section at least once.

Issue has been filed and we'll be looking in to it. If anyone else has this issue please let me know if you have a steam version or not.

from http://social.biowar...-6596978-1.html

That does not really change anything. The only conclusion I draw from them not acknowledging this, asking specs or whatever is because they knew it before. They just didn't bother fixing it. 

Prove me wrong, Bioware. 

[fastidiou5]

Saddened to see that this hasn't been included in the issues they're looking at. It's clearly affecting a portion of players. Hopefully while they're looking at DX11 performance in general Bioware can address this issue.

[Domingo_X]

Yeah, my best guess is that this isn't easily fixable, so if they don't say anything, they're hoping this will just sink or maybe people will just chalk it up to "user error." Keep bumping it. If nothing else, it'll clue prospective buyers in that there are more issues that Bioware is letting on.

[Luke Barrett]

The report for this issue was created on March 12th. User KRYZZX reported, 11 days ago, that you can work around this issue by switching your windows theme to basic. Try that and make sure you have the most recent ATI drivers.

Modifié par Luke Barrett, 23 mars 2011 - 08:51 .

[-akujin-]

Luke Barrett wrote...

The report for this issue was created on March 12th. User KRYZZX reported, 11 days ago, that you can work around this issue by switching your windows theme to basic. Try that and make sure you have the most recent ATI drivers.

Sorry but this does not work for me.

==> Windows Theme switched to basic.

- Mouse cursor on screen = heavy animation stutter and stutter while movement.

- Mouse cursor on ability bar or right mouse button pressed while movement = smooth.

Modifié par -akujin-, 23 mars 2011 - 09:08 .

[Seketh]

Luke Barrett wrote...

The report for this issue was created on March 12th. User KRYZZX reported, 11 days ago, that you can work around this issue by switching your windows theme to basic. Try that and make sure you have the most recent ATI drivers.

Thanks for your reply, unfortunely:

I always run my games with Aero disabled... Simply switching the theme to basic doesn't work.

I'm also using the latest ATI 11.4 RC2 drivers. Some of the users in this thread are running Nvidia hardware, so it isn't a driver issue.

Modifié par Seketh, 23 mars 2011 - 09:08 .

[fastidiou5]

Just gave the suggested fix (disabled themes) a try and it didn't alleviate the issue. My specs are posted earlier in this thread along with my settings but I am running the AMD 11.4 RC2 Drivers.

[Groby]

Luke Barrett wrote...

The report for this issue was created on March 12th. User KRYZZX reported, 11 days ago, that you can work around this issue by switching your windows theme to basic. Try that and make sure you have the most recent ATI drivers.

You have read this whole thread, so you know that a lot of us tried everything. Including Basic Windows Theme.
Please dont insult us with this "its your own fault" answer...

[Luke Barrett]

Unfortunately, often times it is something else entirely giving similar symptoms so we have to be sure to eliminate false-positives.

[mesmerizedish]

Luke Barrett wrote...

Unfortunately, often times it is something else entirely giving similar symptoms so we have to be sure to eliminate false-positives.

I can also say that the issue isn't alleviated by changing the theme to Basic... in case more information is at all useful

[Mattousai]

Already tried switching to basic, it does not alleviate the issue. Its not my hardware. I've gone to the extreme of hooking up a spare HDD, installing win 7 with only the necessary drivers, and the issue still persists. (farther back in thread I stated that the issue is also on my backup rig, which uses an intel C2D and nvidia GTX 460)

The fact that the issue is fixed with manual camera control should be some sort of flag as to what the bug is. I am no software engineer, so I could be wrong. I however am an IT manager with over 10 years experience building/repairing PCs.

It is NOT a hardware issue, nor a software conflict. I would suspect there is a bug in the camera/interface programming. (I could be wrong though!)

[Domingo_X]

Yup - it definitely isn't the "Windows Basic" thing.
You can hunt through the thread for some things that alleviate the issue. Here are some definites:

1. Running the game in a window seems to work for some people
2. Holding the right mouse button to mouselook smooths everything out
3. Placing the mouse cursor on the abilities bar or below smooths things out, too

I've tried 3 different Nvidia driver versions and every single variable you can think of with both the executable (Disable DPI scaling, etc.) and the Nvidia panel. I also have no startup files except Logitech SetPoint, which I've tested both on and off with no effect.

I'm pretty sure it's an issue with the game.

[xoxiin]

Switching to the basic theme made no difference for me on either of my systems.

On my desktop (Xeon X3220 @3GHz / 8GB DDR3 / GTX 470 / 1920x1200), what did help reduce (not eliminate) the issue was getting the FPS high enough (around 60) by installing the 267.59 driver and disabling SSAO. However simply placing the cursor over the ability bar or holding down the right mouse button instantly made the game buttery smooth even if the FPS was 24.

The FPS reported by FRAPS never changed, though the visible FPS obviously did. For example, FRAPS reported 24 FPS, but visually it was more like 8 FPS. Moving the cursor over the ability bar or holding down the right mouse button caused the visible FPS to be more like an actual 24.

While the game is playable on my desktop, it is not on my laptop (Core i7 720QM / 6GB DDR3 / HD4670 / 1920x1080). I can't get more than 30 FPS (which would be totally fine), but because of this problem it's more like 10FPS unless the RMB is held down or the cursor is over the ability bar.

[Adynata]

I thought it was just my laptop having this problem, but I'm come here to find out that it's a larger issue. Phew. It's so annoying and gives me vertigo. I always just hold down my right mouse button to smooth it out, but I'm going to try put the cursor in the abilities bar.

[smijos]

hey Luke - if the DA2 animations don't stutter on your PC (when the RMB isn't down), how about telling us YOUR specs?

[Luke Barrett]

I'll post the specs as well as my game settings next time I'm on my home PC. I can tell you that I have Win7 x64 and a GTX460 but I always play everything in windowed mode - I'll try it in fullscreen to see if I have a similar issue.

Modifié par Luke Barrett, 24 mars 2011 - 05:24 .

[ashwind]

Just tried running around using RMB and Keyboard.

It might be an illusion but... RMB does feel a little smoother - fraps reported the exact same frame rate though. Also, increasing my character's movement speed with mods also made the game smoother.

Win 7 x64 SP1 - GTS 240 (DX11 render)

1920x1680, 4xAA, 16xAF, Graphics Detail High: avg: ~25fps (surroundings does not appear to be smooth when moving, stutter when turning, etc)

1600x900, 4xAA 16xAF, Graphics Detail High: avg: ~28fps (surroundings does not appear to be smooth when moving, stutter when turning, etc)

1920x1680, 4xAA, 16xAF, Graphics Detail Medium: avg ~34 fps (surroundings does not appear to be smooth when moving, stutter when turning, etc)

1600x900, 4xAA 16xAF, Graphics Detail Medium: avg: ~44fps (surroundings does not appear to be smooth when moving, stutter when turning, etc)

I seriously do not see much difference between 25fps and 45fps because they all sutter.

Using NVidia Control Panel - I set Pre-render frames to 8. I lose 1~3 fps on all modes but game becomes much smoother - but that is not all - suddenly quality of graphics become better too - less breaking shadow texture and richer lighting effect.

So... I actually lose FPS for a smoother game... maybe... there is something is the code that needs to be tuned.

Modifié par ashwind, 24 mars 2011 - 05:51 .

[Herethos]

I can confirm I have the same issue but I use Windows Vista 32bit it probably is the same on all PC's and not just windows 7 64bit.

I tested by simply pressing W/S keys without holding down the right mouse button so the champion turns around, and the animation stuttered, jerked kinda like skipped frames. Tested it again by holding down the right mouse button and the animation was silky smooth.

I haven't installed the highres textures, so I'm stuck in medium detail, I play using DX9 instead of DX11.


Did some more testing this time on another system with Win7 32bit, highres textures installed, and use highres textures ticked.

I went to hightown and just watched the npc's walking around, and their walk animation stutter when the mouse is anywhere on the screen except on the hotkeybar gui, but when the mouse pointer was moved to the hotkeybar the npc's started to walk smoothly with no stutter in their animation. Perhaps stutter is bad way to explain it, but it is more like watching stuff move through a strobe light.

Modifié par Herethos, 24 mars 2011 - 09:51 .

[xoxiin]

I tried setting pre-rendered frames to 8 (from the default of 3) and it didn't really make any difference for me.

With the following settings I get micro-stuttering only; you probably wouldn't notice it unless you were looking for it:

GTX 470 (267.59), 1920x1200 60Hz full screen, v-sync on, 4xAA, 16xAF, Very High, SSAO off, Diffusion DOF off, HQ Blur on, high-res texture pack on.

With the following settings there is a big difference between RMB being held down / cursor on the abilities bar or not:

GTX 470 (267.59), 1920x1200 60Hz full screen, v-sync on, 4xAA, 16xAF, Very High, SSAO on, Diffusion DOF on, HQ Blur on, high-res texture pack on.

Before the 267.59 driver it was quite bad on either setup, as the attainable FPS was about half what it is now.

[smijos]

First off - Thanks Luke.

Second, I did some playing around with this just now. (You can get a good look at this stutter by getting close to one of the burning fires in Lothering and watching the smoke - it stutters when the mouse is on the screen.)

If you simply click and hold the RMB but don't move it, the stuttering continues until you move the camera. It's like the game is registering that the mouse is no longer in play and heals your framerate.

Also the stutter seems directly proportional to the intensity of my settings. When I switch to medium settings I don't see it at all. I start to notice it a little on high, more with SSAO on, and it's very noticeable on very high.

My System:
AMD Phenom II X4 940 3GHz
8GB RAM
Radeon HD 57something
Windows 7 64-bit
using DX11

[rhiamage]

I have the same problem, my computer should be able to play the game on any setting, however I still suffer severe stuttering (feels like 1-5fps) on high settings with 0 AA. I have tried beta drivers, windowed mode and my RMB is pressed most of the time (old wow habit). This IS a software issue, and not due to ppls lack of hardware.
win 7 64bit
i7 @ 4.5GHz
3x gtx580's
all drivers uptodate etc...