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[NoAngel89]

kshocker wrote...

I believe the black emporium has some manuals to respec your character, I'm considering doing this when I get here, as my brother had a heck of a time with this fight.

I have the back emporium also, I didnt know they had that, where in there can u get it

[Zan Mura]

GRX Dragon wrote...

When fighting the Arishok 1v1, I learned your best defense is a tactical retreat, at least for a Melee DPS.

Now this is a fine way to put it. "Tactical retreat".

In practice, what it means is that the Arishok fight is not the kind of cinematic moment of epic wonder most people would like. I think the events surrounding that, the VO's and dialogue etc are very cool. But the fight itself is a huge letdown. Basically regardless of which class you'll play, the people will praise you as champion for your epic running the Benny Hill routine like a little quacking chicken all over the room for 20 minutes, giving the occasional b*tch slap driving the Arishok angry, until finally he dies. That fight is complete metagaming, unfortunately.

NoAngel89 wrote...

kshocker wrote...

I believe the black emporium has some manuals to respec your character, I'm considering doing this when I get here, as my brother had a heck of a time with this fight.

I have the back emporium also, I didnt know they had that, where in there can u get it

Its not a manual. It's a potion called "Mage's Sigh" or something. There are exactly two shops in that tiny little room, so the "where" of it shouldn't be that hard to find.

Modifié par Zan Mura, 20 mars 2011 - 10:41 .

[Brawne]

Most retarded boss in game. Impossible to duel with dual-wielding rogue. Had to give him Isabela.
If you need to use dirty tactics like to bug him or kite for 30 minutes or respec to some other spec then it only shows the really poor design of this fight.
Worst fight design in game and the idea to give him potions is simply moronic.

[Lafiniel]

GamerDude8 wrote...

grimmcreeper wrote...

I did...it's possible. Just kinda a pain in the butt.

But I got him my first try. Mind you, I ran around in circles a lot during the cool down time for health potions.

Same thing i did!

Got him on my 1 st try as well as a mage. just freeze him and kill took 10 min u can interupt potions with Mind blast he only has 10 potions so just chug it through haveing the mabari to chew on his arse is a good idea too:devil:

[Zan Mura]

Brawne wrote...

Most retarded boss in game. Impossible to duel with dual-wielding rogue. Had to give him Isabela.
If you need to use dirty tactics like to bug him or kite for 30 minutes or respec to some other spec then it only shows the really poor design of this fight.
Worst fight design in game and the idea to give him potions is simply moronic.

He's one of the guys I just do CONSOLE -> "runscript killallhostiles" on a regular basis. Oh I alwas try a few times but hey, I like to have fun. And the Arishok on nightmare is everything but. Oh he's beatable, but why waste 15 minutes beating someone when it's not even fun? I'd rather just skip to the good parts.

As an example, take ME2 and LotSB DLC, the mid fight boss there (can't spoil here). Now that was FUN, even though it was quite challenging on Hardcore mode. Or heck, take Hybris in DA2, he was reasonably fun too since they didn't go overboard with the waves of adds (which is what I hated most about the High Dragon fight). But Arishok? No, not so much.

The one time I grinded through him with my mage, I didn't feel a wave of satisfaction for beating a challenge. All I felt was like the whole fight was extremely anticlimactic due to all the kiting and running for 10 minutes longer than I would have liked. Up until then I'd felt like a hero who was about to make a stand and become famous, but that fight looked like it made my character a sad joke, a laughing stock instead of a champion.

Modifié par Zan Mura, 20 mars 2011 - 12:08 .

[V_Burgh]

I beat him in a duel as a 2-handed warrior by doing exactly as others have stated, running in circles. The whole duel is setup incredibly poorly, he simply has way too much health, plus knockdowns, and he chugs potions like they're going out of style. To beat him I would just pop cleave, scythe into him, hit him with a mighty blow, followed by a whirlwind if my health got low and my pots were on cooldown I would hit him with devour as well. After what I would just run in circles around the poles in the room staying out of his melee range and avoiding his charge while my dog bit him endlessly until cleave and all of those abilities were off of cooldown and do it all again. Took me probably 5-6 health pots and 20-25 minutes of running around in circles to beat him in the duel. It was horribly boring and tedious. The duel is an exceptionally poorly designed encounter.

[MrZoner]

AsheraII wrote...

And the damage dealt really is rediculously low for a rogue. The Arishok is immune to Miasmic flask, and evasion (upgraded!) doesn't have any effect on him either.

He isn't immune to the flask grenades that stun (combusion)? and Sandal's stunning rune (though it was only a 5% chance in the bow I had).

My fun story is getting a pattern worked out, getting him to 1% then having him grab me with the 'your'e going for a ride on this nice pointy sword' followed up with and attack that killed me as I was standing up from that.  Had to do it all over again :0

[wowpwnslol]

Can be done without potions on Nightmare as 2H warrior. Just run around the pillar and do cleave>scythe>mighty blow>whirlwind combo followed by more pillar humping. This fight takes a very long time - bastard uses potions.

[Brawne]

Zan Mura wrote...
As an example, take ME2 and LotSB DLC, the mid fight boss there (can't spoil here). Now that was FUN, even though it was quite challenging on Hardcore mode. Or heck, take Hybris in DA2, he was reasonably fun too since they didn't go overboard with the waves of adds (which is what I hated most about the High Dragon fight). But Arishok? No, not so much.

Exactly, Shadow Broker bosses were fun and I felt pretty damn heroic, it should have been like Shadow Broker end boss fight. This is just stupid pillar humping like figthing druid/mage team in WoW arena.

[naughty99]

I just arrived at the Arishok duel after 100+ hours on my first playthrough. I noticed a lot of people mentioned Fenris had some part to play. In my case, he kept his mouth shut the entire time, only Hawke and Isabela had any dialogue in the cutscene with Arishok.

I'm playing a Rogue on Nightmare with talent points in both DW and Archery.

During my first attempt, I managed to get him down to about 10-20% of his health but he kept drinking potions.

I kited him, strafing around the pillars pausing constantly and shot off bow attacks and a few Pinning Shots when I could.

Then when he rampages past me into the wall, I quickly hit him with Mark of Death and daggers Assassinate.

I kept repeating this process each time my Assassinate cooldown expired.

Should I respec and get the decoy skill? I brought an extra Maker's Sigh potion with me just in case.

Modifié par naughty99, 20 mars 2011 - 06:18 .

[Tyronica]

Brawne wrote...

Most retarded boss in game. Impossible to duel with dual-wielding rogue. Had to give him Isabela.
If you need to use dirty tactics like to bug him or kite for 30 minutes or respec to some other spec then it only shows the really poor design of this fight.
Worst fight design in game and the idea to give him potions is simply moronic.

I had no problems as a rogue tbh it was so damm ezy on my rogue i had to use 2 healing pots and about 5 stam pots to take the bugger down.

backstab then just twinfang him ( havent tried assasinate might work 2 ) then just start running around till the cooldown is up and repeat = ezy ded boss in less then 2min

ofc timing is all if your to slow he will turn around and bend you over and rip you a new 1

Modifié par Tyronica, 20 mars 2011 - 07:09 .

[Zan Mura]

Tyronica wrote...

backstab then just twinfang him ( havent tried assasinate might work 2 ) then just start running around till the cooldown is up and repeat = ezy ded boss in less then 2min

Backstab & Twinfang alone produce such laughably weak damage, that for you to beat him in under 2 minutes you had to play in the easiest diff and likely still exaggarated your story. This is a fight a lot of people know about from personal experience, it's a bad place to lie as you get caught way too easily.

[Nerevar-as]

Just killed him on NM. Switched my Rogue to a bow and 20+ minutes kiting and attacking during his ramming charges. This completely killed the build up to the moment, which had been one of the few parts of the story I´d really liked so far.

[DragonRageGT]

magicwins wrote...

How do you beat him? (2H Warrior)

For those clueless, you get to duel the Arishok at one point. He is a dual-wielding warrior, who charges like an Ogre and occasionally sticks his blade through you and holds you up in the air with it. And does a ton of damage. Oh, and he uses health potions, too.

I thought it was another Ser Cauthrien fight. I finished nearly 10 heath potions and stamina potions trying to beat him on normal, accompanied by a lot of kiting, before I finally decided to give up and switch to casual.

Anyone beat him on Normal/higher?

Check this thread for tips about NM Two Handers and videos of bosses fight including Arishok. (on OP)

He's damn tough on NM and I couldn't beat him after countless attempts so I went Normal diff and he's dead in less than 2 minutes. Of course I'll reload my pre-duel save and keep trying. Just wanted the satisfaction of killing him after dying a zillion times but there is no way I can play further if I don't beat him NM. Takes lots of attempts and patience for a long fight as seen in the video. If I get the timing right to silence him to prevent his heal pots I might succeed! =)

The Ultimate Vanguard: Nightmare Warrior Domination

V_Burgh wrote...

I beat him in a duel as a 2-handed warrior by doing exactly as others have stated, running in circles. The whole duel is setup incredibly poorly, he simply has way too much health, plus knockdowns, and he chugs potions like they're going out of style. To beat him I would just pop cleave, scythe into him, hit him with a mighty blow, followed by a whirlwind if my health got low and my pots were on cooldown I would hit him with devour as well. After what I would just run in circles around the poles in the room staying out of his melee range and avoiding his charge while my dog bit him endlessly until cleave and all of those abilities were off of cooldown and do it all again. Took me probably 5-6 health pots and 20-25 minutes of running around in circles to beat him in the duel. It was horribly boring and tedious. The duel is an exceptionally poorly designed encounter.

I still haven't beat him NM but that's exactly my thoughts about the encounter and the tactics that must be used. Need a bit of luck though since I don't have that many pots, no prior save to get more and his damn impale gets me from his back sometimes! =)

Modifié par RageGT, 20 mars 2011 - 08:19 .

[Lak_Attack]

I had to respec to a spirit healer, run around for like 20 minutes, and then wait until he charged me so I had time to cast anything (didn't help that I was majorly suffering from Isabela's slowed attack speed bug). I Mainly used Horror and an upgraded Winters Grasp to take him out.

Most ridiculous fight in the entire game. Destiny Trailer made it much cooler.

[Chruptak]

I duelled Arishok as 2H warrior last night, on normal. This fight totally destroyed my pride of my character - he was able to stand up to the boss for like 5sec before being totally trashed, without actually making a visible dent in his health. This turned what should be a RPG tactical fight into running acrade game. Who the heck playtested this encounter? I am kind of digusted afterwards.

[naughty99]

Wow, I finally beat him with my rogue on Nightmare, without buying the knockback immunity ring.

i had to run around the pillars in circles for a long time, conserving all stamina for Assassinate each time the cooldown expired.

On previous attempts I wasted my stamina on other abilities. Using Mark of Death I would do as high as 1200 dmg, without Mark of Death around 900 - 1000. Due to the stamina cost it is a waste to use Mark of Death. Normal bow hits would only do around 16 dmg + some spirit damage from a rune. Occasionally I would get crits causing around 140 damage.

the Mabari warhound served absolutely no purpose during the entire 45 min or so it took to beat him, except for one occasion when he made Arishok stop and smack him with his swords.

I finally realized that as I was running in circles, I had to keep letting Arishok almost catch me so that he would stop to swing a sword at me, then I could fire a couple bowshots or an Assassinate if it was not in cooldown. 

I'm not sure if this had any effect, but I used Crow Poison on my bow, which has a chance to reduce movement speed and attack speed. I didn't have any Deathroot toxin or any other sort of poison or buffs.

when he starts moving his legs like a Roadrunner cartoon, you just move to the side and your bow shots seem to do more damage during this phase.

I used up about 4 health potions and 5 stamina potions. I also drank a Life Ward potion, but it expired while I was still fighting him (30 min duration!)

Modifié par naughty99, 22 mars 2011 - 03:37 .

[tanerb123]

knockback immunity ring is useless. he knocks you down like a baby doll. i cant beliee i paid 83 bucks for that trinket. and whoe ever is saying he beat him with twing fangs and backstab in 2 minutes. which difficulty is that? ultra casual?

[Feirefiz1972]

Cool fight in the trailer but what a lame kite fest it is in game, had me running in circels for 20 minutes waiting for petrify to cool down, sure as hell did not make me feel like the badass Hawke is in the video.

[Treadwyck]

This fight was really annoying and very anti-climatic. I hope they tone it way down in a patch or something. 

I did this on my second playthrough with a Zerker 2H warrior and it was painful. I used Barbarian's Blade (purchased from Black Emporium and has a 5% stun chance) as well as using Pommel Strike everytime it was up. I actually turned off Berserker mode for this fight (that Speciality is kind of a let down, TBH, as compared to DA:O anyway). It was nothing but kiting around pillars and waiting for him to charge me. 

It seems that PS stuns him for about 4-5 normal speed swings before you start running around again. The stun from the sword itself lasted much longer, like 7-8 swings. Combustion Grenades stun him for a good long while. I wish I had brought more than the two I had left, but didn't feel like redoing the scenario from whereever my last save prior to the Qunari attack was. When/If I attempt this on my DW rogue I'll bring plenty of CG's. 

His 360 degree attack is pretty easy to see and hear, but I just stayed away from him when he did it. I think there is a time where you can get off an attack or two if you attack him from behind, but I wouldn't bother; he charges often enough and that's the best time to attack him. Dog helped me get a few shots in here and there, but Dog does so little damage that you grab aggro back pretty much on your first hit.

The problem with the Arishok is his high physical damage resistance and stock of potions. As easy as dueling Loghain was, that was a much more climatic battle than this guy. Such a disappointment too, considering how awesome the build up to the moment was.

[Itkovian]

While I agree that the duel is rather an inappropriate challenge, requiring some reliance on "twitch" skills (unlike pretty much any other) to avoid his attacks at hard or above, there is one thing I must object to on this topic:

Do not blame the game for making a duel impossible when you are not specced properly for such a duel. It is _precisely_ what we should expect from a game with a proper regard for difficulty. That is also why the game also includes other options beyond the duel (turning in Isabella, or going for a full battle). Not every class and build has to be a superb duelist, and the Arishok is undoubtebly one of the most powerful Qunari, so the level of difficulty is understandable.

Personally, I could have done without the "twichy" dodging, and would have preferred being able to simply stand and fight him as proper warriors do... but I do not fault it for making certain builds useless against him. That is how it should be, and when you do not have the skills to stand toe to toe with a hulking warrior of doom, well then you can simply reject the duel.

Itkovian

[Treadwyck]

Itkovian wrote...

While I agree that the duel is rather an inappropriate challenge, requiring some reliance on "twitch" skills (unlike pretty much any other) to avoid his attacks at hard or above, there is one thing I must object to on this topic:

Do not blame the game for making a duel impossible when you are not specced properly for such a duel. It is _precisely_ what we should expect from a game with a proper regard for difficulty. That is also why the game also includes other options beyond the duel (turning in Isabella, or going for a full battle). Not every class and build has to be a superb duelist, and the Arishok is undoubtebly one of the most powerful Qunari, so the level of difficulty is understandable.

Personally, I could have done without the "twichy" dodging, and would have preferred being able to simply stand and fight him as proper warriors do... but I do not fault it for making certain builds useless against him. That is how it should be, and when you do not have the skills to stand toe to toe with a hulking warrior of doom, well then you can simply reject the duel.

Itkovian

Uhhh, from what I've personally experienced and gathered from reading people's experiences with this fight, there isn't a build that is capable of actually "dueling" the Arishok. Everybody seems to have to run from him and get small hits on him. While the fight isn't impossible, it's far from fun and makes your character, regardless of build, seem like nug instead of a champion. The fight isn't about skill so much as it is about patience and a non-trivial amount of masochism. 

I really don't think it's about one's build at all. 

Modifié par Treadwyck, 21 mars 2011 - 09:13 .

[tmp7704]

Itkovian wrote...

Do not blame the game for making a duel impossible when you are not specced properly for such a duel.

If the game doesn't make it possible to find out long enough in advance what is the "proper" specialization/build for such a fight and when only way to re-spec is optional DLC for which you have to pay extra, it's perfectly fine to blame the game for design which potentially sets the player up for a fail. Especially when decisions which abilities work against the enemy and which don't is entirely arbitrary.

As it is, whether you're "specced properly" for this fight is down either to luck or to spoiling oneself through out-of-game channels. What's so desirable about this that you'd defend it?

Modifié par tmp7704, 22 mars 2011 - 03:07 .

[naughty99]

tanerb123 wrote...

knockback immunity ring is useless. he knocks you down like a baby doll. i cant beliee i paid 83 bucks for that trinket. and whoe ever is saying he beat him with twing fangs and backstab in 2 minutes. which difficulty is that? ultra casual?

Wow, that blows! I'm glad I managed to kill him before reloading an earlier save in order to buy the knockback ring. I thought it was going to be impossible without it.

I think towards the end it seemed clear that the best strategy is not exactly going in a perfect circle, but zigzagging a little bit to allow him to almost catch up with you. It's risky because you actually get hit a couple times, but every time he almost catches you he stops to take a swing at you and you can move just out of his range and fire off about 3 bow shots before he starts moving again.

Modifié par naughty99, 22 mars 2011 - 03:42 .

[Zan Mura]

tanerb123 wrote...

knockback immunity ring is useless. he knocks you down like a baby doll. i cant beliee i paid 83 bucks for that trinket. and whoe ever is saying he beat him with twing fangs and backstab in 2 minutes. which difficulty is that? ultra casual?

Knockback immunity in general seems to be a bit dubious. I took that for my tank against the Rock Wraith thing at the end of ACT 1, and it didn't do a damned thing. The tank was still flying all over the screen and failed half the attempts at Taunt unless Barrier protected by the mage. I realise some abilities are simply so strong that a typical knockback immunity shouldn't even work against it, but then that ability needs to look the part too. A simple slashing attack by a humanoid no matter how strong doesn't cut it in my opinion, something like a 50-ton dragon smashing into your face might.