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[thatbwoyblu]

kaem79 wrote...

miltos33 wrote...

They hate it because they expected late nineties gameplay with modern graphics and they got exactly the opposite.

stop being stupid and go play with barbies...

How old are you?80 years old.Go play chess in your retirement home old man and stop worrying bout Dragon Age 2.

[Athro]

iEscaflowne wrote...

Andante78 wrote...

About character customization... there is alot more customization than in DA2 than DA:O.

In DA:O there was oh maybe one (maybe 2) effective ways to build a 2h warrior... in DA2 there is like a dozen ways to build a 2h warrior due to all the specialty trees.

There's a lot of customization you're right, I can be a Male Human or a Female Human... **** every other race... Right?

So you are solely defined by your race?

In DA2 you can be a mage, warrior, rogue, templar, assassin. beserker, healer, assassin... you can be a diplomat, a smart alec, a direct to the point guy, a heartless self-serving man/woman, a carefree trickster...

You can be a specialised fighter or a flexible fighter across a number of disciplines.

I'd say that you have a lot more customisation than "I'm a man or a woman."

Just because you can't be an elf or a dwarf doesn't mean that the game is restrictive and has no customisation.

C

[Haexpane]

Andante78 wrote...

 

Baldur's gate 2 (Awesome story/questionable mechanics/questionable combat) = BEST RPG EVER!!

Dragon Age 2 (Great story/questionable mechanics/questionable combat) = WORST RPG EVER!!!

... wait I'm confused
 

nope
 Mr03 li3k


Baldur's gate 2 (Awesome story/ Time Tested, Voter Approved mechanics/ challenging diverse / FULL 6 player party / diverse classes / TONS OF SUMMONS AND PETS / 100hours of gameplay etc... combat) = BEST RPG EVER!!

[kaem79]

Kane-Corr wrote...

In all honesty...DA2 is far greater than 1....let me explain...

Combat= Better...DA:O's combat totally breaks immersion...sorry hardcore rpg man, it does. No one wants to stand stationary and pick which attack they want to do before they do it. Combat should be instinctive and rapid...and DA2 is perfect at that....

Story= Epic. Sure, your not recruiting leagues of people to fight some ancient threat thats dug from the ground....but it is a traditional story, one that is not told to your face, but rather EXPERIENCED. Go and find the adventure...fill in the things with your mind...oh, and listen to the part banter...tis excellent for building plot to satisfy your needs.

Simplification= Better in this respect. Don't always think simple is worse...honestly, DA:O was too bogged down with meaningless things. It's a hapopy medium in 2...and this was a neccessary change.

Dialogue= Mastered. The combat wheel is amazing...if you can't grasp how much better it is than DA:O's system of mini paragraph wall of text, then I feel bad for you.

pah, think before you write!
the battle in DA2 = so non realistic as it can be.
the story in DA2  = what story, really? like in bethesdas game, but in bethesda you have side storys and a huge gaming-ground.
simplification in DA2 = is for dumb asses like yourself. go play god of war.
dialogue in DA2 = sooo lame and stupid. it's because people like you that does not know what evil and good is, so the game developers must put a babysitter in the game...aka the wheel...

[Rykoth]

So far I'm loving DA2's story. Honestly, I prefer more personal stories in fantasy then the epics. I love epics, but IMO, getting to know the down and dirty of the characters is far more rewarding.

[Haexpane]

kaem79 wrote...

Kane-Corr wrote...

In all honesty...DA2 is far greater than 1....let me explain...

Combat= Better...DA:O's combat totally breaks immersion...sorry hardcore rpg man, it does. No one wants to stand stationary and pick which attack they want to do before they do it. Combat should be instinctive and rapid...and DA2 is perfect at that....

Story= Epic. Sure, your not recruiting leagues of people to fight some ancient threat thats dug from the ground....but it is a traditional story, one that is not told to your face, but rather EXPERIENCED. Go and find the adventure...fill in the things with your mind...oh, and listen to the part banter...tis excellent for building plot to satisfy your needs.

Simplification= Better in this respect. Don't always think simple is worse...honestly, DA:O was too bogged down with meaningless things. It's a hapopy medium in 2...and this was a neccessary change.

Dialogue= Mastered. The combat wheel is amazing...if you can't grasp how much better it is than DA:O's system of mini paragraph wall of text, then I feel bad for you.

pah, think before you write!
the battle in DA2 = so non realistic as it can be.
the story in DA2  = what story, really? like in bethesdas game, but in bethesda you have side storys and a huge gaming-ground.
simplification in DA2 = is for dumb asses like yourself. go play god of war.
dialogue in DA2 = sooo lame and stupid. it's because people like you that does not know what evil and good is, so the game developers must put a babysitter in the game...aka the wheel...

Wow, #TigerWarlockBlood runs deep in his veins 

[fantasypisces]

I'm almost done with act 2 and so far I have to say I don't really like the story. Act 1 was simply gather enough money so you can do something. Act 2 is now about being a diplomat.

I have no idea what my character wants (he's just sort of going through life and doing side quests), I can get an idea of who the major players are in different factions, but there quests are kind of short compared to the numerous amount of side quests (which I feel I'm doing 90% of the time).

There is no drive to push on, no sense of you have to go do something, all I'm doing is walking around the city of kirkwall and taking jobs, and I have no idea of any grand reason to do so other than "I need money".

The companions are cool though, and the real saving grace of the game for me so far. But I can't really make a final decision until I beat the game.

[Iwasdrunkbro]

The game has its ups and downs, but so did origins and so did every other Bioware game thats been released. Did they take some elements from the more recent Mass Effect 2? Yes, its clear to see, but lets remembers here that Mass Effect 2 wasnt a horrible game... infact, it was vastly superior in almost every sense compared to the original (aside from things like inventory and the like).

The problem most people are having with the story in this game (and I did too until I actually finished it), is that you have the freedom to go and do whatever you want which is rare in a modern rpg. Do I enjoy being forced to do sidequests to work up enough gold to progress the main story? Yes, and thats something that needs to be changed, but the simple fact is the freedom given to you after the first act is refreshing to say the least.

Look Ive been one of the harshes critics of this game simply because I enjoyed origins way too much, and yes there are areas that need to be improved and Bioware still does need to stop fixing things that arent broken, but when it comes right down to it I really dont think its that far off from what we were all expecting.

The game grows on you especially if you enjoyed origins so much like I did... but it does grow on you. I personally hated awakening and I hated everything that Bioware attempted to do with it. But even though this game is alot more like awakening that it is origins, everything that was broken in awakening is pretty much fixed.

I do miss being able to talk with my party members whenever I want, but lets be honest most of the content was filler content anyway. I would love to see Bioware sit down and actually work on these small details that people really like to see, but with a business sometimes you really just cant do that and make profit at the same time.

This isnt exactly the review I promised but my personal score is a heck of alot better than I thought it would be 15 hours later. 8/10

[Echo Meara]

Quite literally, thousands of posts of people complaining 2 days after release. EA is a cancer... run away Bioware ! You and I have been through so much, don't die on me old buddy ....

[Melness]

Haexpane wrote...

Andante78 wrote...

 

Baldur's gate 2 (Awesome story/questionable mechanics/questionable combat) = BEST RPG EVER!!

Dragon Age 2 (Great story/questionable mechanics/questionable combat) = WORST RPG EVER!!!

... wait I'm confused
 

nope
 Mr03 li3k


Baldur's gate 2 (Awesome story/ Time Tested, Voter Approved mechanics/ challenging diverse / FULL 6 player party / diverse classes / TONS OF SUMMONS AND PETS / 100hours of gameplay etc... combat) = BEST RPG EVER!!

The party is 2 members larger, with tons of mostly useless summons, pets and spells and a 2d representation of what might be old DnD, you mean.

iEscaflowne wrote...

Andante78 wrote...

About character customization... there is alot more customization than in DA2 than DA:O.

In DA:O there was oh maybe one (maybe 2) effective ways to build a 2h warrior... in DA2 there is like a dozen ways to build a 2h warrior due to all the specialty trees.

There's a lot of customization you're right, I can be a Male Human or a Female Human... **** every other race... Right?

Oh, because he was talking about that kind of customization, and because that kind of customization is everything about character customization.

Therefore, every male and female humans are equal. Aveline = Leliana = Morrigan = Mama Hawke = Mama Cousland = Private from Vigil's Keep = Mistress Woosley = Blackstone Mercenaries Widow Number 4 = Jetta...

[darkrose]

Andante78 wrote...

About character customization... there is alot more customization than in DA2 than DA:O.

In DA:O there was oh maybe one (maybe 2) effective ways to build a 2h warrior... in DA2 there is like a dozen ways to build a 2h warrior due to all the specialty trees.

And you can build a 2h warrior, or S&S. Want to be an archer, or a dual-wielder? Be a rogue. 

[darkrose]

Rykoth wrote...

So far I'm loving DA2's story. Honestly, I prefer more personal stories in fantasy then the epics. I love epics, but IMO, getting to know the down and dirty of the characters is far more rewarding.

9 hours in, though, and I don't know the down and dirty of the characters. I learned more about my family by reading the codex entries than in any conversation I've had in game. And yes: I'm still in Act I, but again...9 hours? Within the first hour of Origins I was emotionally invested enough that I wanted to reach through the screen and tear Vaughan into pieces because of what he did to Shianni. In DA2, Carver could get run over by a rampaging bronto and I'm not sure I'd notice.

Modifié par darkrose, 10 mars 2011 - 02:18 .

[Anathemic]

To the OP:

I read spoilers, not impressed.

Granted I'm not playing the game but that's why I have friends doing so.

[randallman]

Kane-Corr wrote...

Combat= Better...DA:O's combat totally breaks immersion...sorry hardcore rpg man, it does. No one wants to stand stationary and pick which attack they want to do before they do it. Combat should be instinctive and rapid...and DA2 is perfect at that...

ACTUALLY, RPGs have always been about picking your attack before you do it.  D&D is a turn based game and most RPGs since have also been implemented as turn based.  Even NWN1 and NWN2 were turn based with the option to 'pause before each round' to give each character his or her orders for the round.

[Melness]

Anathemic wrote...

To the OP:

I read spoilers, not impressed.

The strongest part of Bioware is the telling as opposed to the story itself. Reading spoilers completely blows both.

So while, yes some people may dislike the story, this isn't a good example at all.

Modifié par Melness, 10 mars 2011 - 02:26 .

[Anathemic]

Melness wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

To the OP:

I read spoilers, not impressed.

The strongest part of Bioware is the telling as opposed to the story itself. Reading spoilers completely blows both.

Like they did in Mass Effect? (Subjective of course)

DA:O storytelling was decent, it's not memorable, more like a 'popcorn story'. I'm not expecting much of the story of DA2, just waiting for that Ultimate Edition.

Edit: Even if Little Red Riding Hood had the best storytelling ever, I'd still prefer to read a History textbook on the accounts of the American Civil War.

Modifié par Anathemic, 10 mars 2011 - 02:29 .

[Sulaco426]

I gotta ask, I know this is going to sound incredibly dumb, but go with me.

Why do so many people hate the story?

I've been playing the game myself, and there is one thing DA2 reminds me of. Scarface.

Scarface was about a refugee from Cuba whom worked his way up the criminal food chain in Miami, in order to become one of the most powerful men in Miami.

Dragon Age 2 is about a refugee from Fereldan whom worked his way up to become very powerful in Kirkwall.

Now while DA2 has also some big differences in the story, there is a lot of similarities.

So wouldn't hating DA2s story also mean you hate Scarface?

[Anathemic]

Sulaco426 wrote...

I gotta ask, I know this is going to sound incredibly dumb, but go with me.

Why do so many people hate the story?

I've been playing the game myself, and there is one thing DA2 reminds me of. Scarface.

Scarface was about a refugee from Cuba whom worked his way up the criminal food chain in Miami, in order to become one of the most powerful men in Miami.

Dragon Age 2 is about a refugee from Fereldan whom worked his way up to become very powerful in Kirkwall.

Now while DA2 has also some big differences in the story, there is a lot of similarities.

So wouldn't hating DA2s story also mean you hate Scarface?

I don't know who Scarface is, nor do I care about him or have any interest to find out.

[Sulaco426]

Anathemic wrote...

Sulaco426 wrote...

I gotta ask, I know this is going to sound incredibly dumb, but go with me.

Why do so many people hate the story?

I've been playing the game myself, and there is one thing DA2 reminds me of. Scarface.

Scarface was about a refugee from Cuba whom worked his way up the criminal food chain in Miami, in order to become one of the most powerful men in Miami.

Dragon Age 2 is about a refugee from Fereldan whom worked his way up to become very powerful in Kirkwall.

Now while DA2 has also some big differences in the story, there is a lot of similarities.

So wouldn't hating DA2s story also mean you hate Scarface?

I don't know who Scarface is, nor do I care about him or have any interest to find out.

I hope you are trolling......

Actually, you know what, for the sake of my sanity, I will just assume you are trolling.

[Melness]

Anathemic wrote...

Melness wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

To the OP:

I read spoilers, not impressed.

The strongest part of Bioware is the telling as opposed to the story itself. Reading spoilers completely blows both.

Like they did in Mass Effect? (Subjective of course)

DA:O storytelling was decent, it's not memorable, more like a 'popcorn story'. I'm not expecting much of the story of DA2, just waiting for that Ultimate Edition.

Edit: Even if Little Red Riding Hood had the best storytelling ever, I'd still prefer to read a History textbook on the accounts of the American Civil War.

Even if Little Red Riding Hood had the best storytelling and the best story in the history of written language, you would still be blowing both by reading spoilers.

[Anathemic]

Sulaco426 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Sulaco426 wrote...

I gotta ask, I know this is going to sound incredibly dumb, but go with me.

Why do so many people hate the story?

I've been playing the game myself, and there is one thing DA2 reminds me of. Scarface.

Scarface was about a refugee from Cuba whom worked his way up the criminal food chain in Miami, in order to become one of the most powerful men in Miami.

Dragon Age 2 is about a refugee from Fereldan whom worked his way up to become very powerful in Kirkwall.

Now while DA2 has also some big differences in the story, there is a lot of similarities.

So wouldn't hating DA2s story also mean you hate Scarface?

I don't know who Scarface is, nor do I care about him or have any interest to find out.

I hope you are trolling......

Actually, you know what, for the sake of my sanity, I will just assume you are trolling.

Nope sorry, I am really telling the truth in saying I have no idea who Scarface is

[Anathemic]

Melness wrote...

Even if Little Red Riding Hood had the best storytelling and the best story in the history of written language, you would still be blowing both by reading spoilers.

Hmmm true, it's a gamble. And so far the gamble is paying off.

[Sulaco426]

Anathemic wrote...

Sulaco426 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Sulaco426 wrote...

I gotta ask, I know this is going to sound incredibly dumb, but go with me.

Why do so many people hate the story?

I've been playing the game myself, and there is one thing DA2 reminds me of. Scarface.

Scarface was about a refugee from Cuba whom worked his way up the criminal food chain in Miami, in order to become one of the most powerful men in Miami.

Dragon Age 2 is about a refugee from Fereldan whom worked his way up to become very powerful in Kirkwall.

Now while DA2 has also some big differences in the story, there is a lot of similarities.

So wouldn't hating DA2s story also mean you hate Scarface?

I don't know who Scarface is, nor do I care about him or have any interest to find out.

I hope you are trolling......

Actually, you know what, for the sake of my sanity, I will just assume you are trolling.

Nope sorry, I am really telling the truth in saying I have no idea who Scarface is

Scarface is a movie.  A really REALLY good movie.  You should go watch it.

Although, there is a person called Scarface.  That person is Al Capone, they made a movie about him called Scarface (sometime in the 1930s).  Which then was remade by Brian DePalma in the 1980s.

Go watch the 1980s version.

Modifié par Sulaco426, 10 mars 2011 - 02:35 .

[Faust1979]

iEscaflowne wrote...

Andante78 wrote...

About character customization... there is alot more customization than in DA2 than DA:O.

In DA:O there was oh maybe one (maybe 2) effective ways to build a 2h warrior... in DA2 there is like a dozen ways to build a 2h warrior due to all the specialty trees.

There's a lot of customization you're right, I can be a Male Human or a Female Human... **** every other race... Right?

there are a ton of RPGs that don't let you pick your race you act like DA2 is the first to not do this. 

[Sacred_Fantasy]

JoePilot wrote...

Some people aren't too impressed with the story, actually.

Thanks for the links. The link provide me of everything I wanted to express for months.

People like to play Role-Playing video games (like Dragon Age 2) because you get to solve mysteries, accrue possessions and abilities, and accomplish things.  There is a feeling of progress.  But when you play through a combat sequence and then learn “It was all a dream” and the things you accomplished didn’t really happen or “don’t count”, you’re left with a profoundly empty feeling.

The main reason why I disagree the use of unreliable third person narrator.
Not to forget, time forward mechanism disconnect player from their story. Not a big deal when I read a story book. But it become an annoyance factor when I role-play a character because it disturb my immersion.