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[conanthelibrarian63]

I like rogues because of all thier cool abilites and would like to use and archer and Isabella for deul swords.  DO you think it will work?

1.  Hawke (two-hander melee)
2.  Isabella (supplamental figher, good enough defense to survive?)
3.  Varrius/Sebastion (archer/ranged specialist)
4.  Anders/Elf mage (whichever I prefer)

I worry that I do not have enough "beef" on the front line.  If I go this route I should pump up Isabella's DEX and CON. right?  Would some strength help her damage output?  I could forgo cunning and leave chest opening to the other rogue.

Just wnated to get the boards opinion on if this was possible or not.
  Thanks.

[Wygrath]

I posted a thread almost exactly like this and am curious as to whether or not this will work. My Hawke is Mage though so he won't be doing any tanking. I'm pretty sure you can build your Hawke to hold aggro and do decent damage as well.

As long as you have a tank and can keep him/her up you shouldn't have any problems. The mechanics lend themselves heavily to a tank and spank centric party compostiion.

[Naitaka]

Yes, your build is very viable, I've done it on nightmare already, don't worry about it. As long as you have a tank you'll be fine.

[darkelf007]

Looks good to me. Isabella has a knack for survival and 2 handed warriors can always take a bit of damage before needing a heal. Think it should work out just fine.

[conanthelibrarian63]

Should I change my Hawke from a two-hander (which I love BTW, awesome fighting moves) to a sword and shiled guy to help sustain more damage? (I got the black market guy DLC and love the potion that lets you change everyhting around...brilliant!)

SO forgetting cunning for Isabella is OK too right, since she won't be opening any chests.

And is strength good for her , or it is like DAO where DEX is the modifier for daggers?

[cjblink]

You can do the 2 rogues 1 healer and tank combo and I'm sure it will be fine on normal or hard, just make sure to make the tank have plenty of willpower to sustain certain activated abilities.

[StingingVelvet]

My Hawke is a dual-wield rogue and I have had Varric in my party since he first showed up. Not sure if you are counting archery though... I don't think I could use Isabella as well without losing a lot of power.

[blaidfiste]

Cun/Dex/Con for Bella. She crits alot and Cun increases her crit dmg. Also Cun increases her chance to dodge attacks. Str doesn't work out too well for rogues.

Your 2H Hawke tank will work well. Take skills from the Defender tree and make sure that your mage buffs the grp.

[Ignoble Fat Man]

I prefer a build for the Magenta party or Blush....they are better colors than Rouge......or did you mean ROGUE

[DogPark]

I'm having a lot of fun with my TRIPLE rogue party.

My Hawke is a dual rogue, and my Isabella is also. I spec'd her to do almost exactly what Hawke does: drop aggro and backstab the hell out of things, then backstab some more.

The DPS for both is really amazing, and there are a lot of talents that make crit hits almost ordinary.

The kicker is Varric's explosive bolts have an upgrade that grants CONCEAL to the party. Fire that off immediately, and let the Rogues go to town. All three also have Disorient potions, and ways to jump out of trouble ... but they kill things so fast that it's rare that I need it.

The 4th member can be Anders, or a controller-type mage (Merrill?). You don't need a massive AOE mage, as the Rogues do enough damage and without a tank to suck up the aggro, the mage should be more of a support role.

[cmg5217]

What about a 4 rogue party? If you have the DLC it is possible to have 2 archer rogues and t dual rogues if you made hawk one.

[skippy1776]

cmg5217 wrote...

What about a 4 rogue party? If you have the DLC it is possible to have 2 archer rogues and t dual rogues if you made hawk one.

trying that on normal right now just for grins

[Jazharah]

My first playthrough on Hard was with Varric, Isabela and me as rogues (I was dual-wielding) with Merill as nuker (tempest ftw!). Healing was done with pots.

As long as you invest a couple of skills in CC you should be fine even with a full rogue party. I have yet to find the actual need for a tank.

skippy1776 wrote...

cmg5217 wrote...

What about a 4 rogue party? If you have the DLC it is possible to have 2 archer rogues and t dual rogues if you made hawk one.

trying that on normal right now just for grins [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

This should be possible, just replace Merill with Sebastian - it may actuyally work even better

Modifié par Jazharah, 19 mars 2011 - 09:35 .

[Sa Seba]

I played mostly with this team:

Hawke = DW rogue
Isabella = DW rogue
Anders = Damage Mage
Aveline = Tank
Lucien = Vicious Warbeast (also, he distracted enemies, so me and Isabella could flank them easier)

I used lots of flasks (fatiguing fog was my favourite), for the rogues and area effects were left to Anders.

[naughty99]

Sa Seba wrote...

I played mostly with this team:

Hawke = DW rogue
Isabella = DW rogue
Anders = Damage Mage
Aveline = Tank
Lucien = Vicious Warbeast (also, he distracted enemies, so me and Isabella could flank them easier)

I used lots of flasks (fatiguing fog was my favourite), for the rogues and area effects were left to Anders.

Who the hell is Lucien?

[KennethAFTopp]

His Mabari, I actually thought you could control the Mabari, but you can't!

[jweath]

If you 2H tank this is a pretty standard build.
1. tank
2. healer
3. rogue (for lockpicks) damage dealer
4. damage dealer (can be 2H warrior, Rogue, or mage)

I like Isabella or a warrior as a damage dealer because they can off tank and pull mobs off a mage if the tank can't close or does not have taunt ready. A mage might get you get more DPS and better AOE but you are in bad shape if the mage draws aggro, your tank is on cool down for taunt and shield bash, and you have no off tank.

[Sa Seba]

KennethAFTopp wrote...

His Mabari, I actually thought you could control the Mabari, but you can't!

Yeah, this sucks. But then, there will surely be some mod that allows you to comand your doggy, in the near future.

[ColaQueen]

I've been playing with two rogues one melee one ranged plus a mage mostly damage dealing and Aveline as the tank.

[MrZoner]

Sure. I played an archer with a focus on CC and maxing out the assassin tree, and also took Varric with me the whole game. Between 2x miasma flasks, 2x stunning upgrade evades, 2x stealth for sticky situations, fatiguing fog, this setup is quite slippery and don't need to rely a proper tank really.

I took Merril with me everywhere, Mind Blast with upgrades is pretty awesome and on a short 10 second cooldown and is pretty much all she needs aside from Rock Armor. I never made her a blood mage, only a handful of fights even dented her mana bar that badly. Not taking a 'healer' in the party really changed things for the better really. I believe Biowares message (40 second cooldowns on heal) is an important one, in that you don't need them to be able to win. I bet they probably even considered removing them entirely from the game but caved.

I played through on Hard btw...

Modifié par MrZoner, 20 mars 2011 - 04:04 .

[upsettingshorts]

It'll work on anything other than Nightmare. On that, the AoE from your 2HW will murder Isabela constantly unless you micromanage her in every encounter.

[Tomomi]

conanthelibrarian63 wrote...

Should I change my Hawke from a two-hander (which I love BTW, awesome fighting moves) to a sword and shiled guy to help sustain more damage? (I got the black market guy DLC and love the potion that lets you change everyhting around...brilliant!)

SO forgetting cunning for Isabella is OK too right, since she won't be opening any chests.

And is strength good for her , or it is like DAO where DEX is the modifier for daggers?

Unlike DA:O, almost all the skills in 2Hand warrior has friendly fire (nightmare mode). I nearly upgraded all the abiliy in 2H.  "Cleave" is a must.  This warrior would plow through enemies like nothing, and when he Staggers enemy, finish the combo with rogues and mages for insane damage.  Even your healer you put 3 points in Primal Tree for an upgraded Chain Lightning.  Either manually fire or set Tactics to use when target condition is "Staggered".  Can do 1500+ damage in that combo to a Lieutenant rank mob.  Regarding Friendly Fire for warrior.  It is ugly.  I had to remove all attacking ability off tactics.  Far too often my warrior would 1 shot other allies with Whirlwind, Mighty Blow.  Sycthe was even more ridiculous.  Fenris charged into a group of mob while my healer is half way (not even near the group) and she got killed instantly with 225 HP.

Combo guide:
http://www.dazzlenut...combos-indepth/

So if you intend to play on Nightmare, don't use 2H warrior to tank, or be prepared to micro manage a lot.

[Tomomi]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

It'll work on anything other than Nightmare. On that, the AoE from your 2HW will murder Isabela constantly unless you micromanage her in every encounter.

It's not easy to micromanage.  You don't get to see the distance/range like when you try to cast in area spell or use some area ability.  One time I saw a good opportunity to use Mighty Blow when a Hex just comes in, I moved Isabella far back out.  Hit Mighty Blow ..... Isabella still got hit and turned into pieces.  My healer stood far enough from behind (or so I thought) also died.  Nightmare battle isn't a walk in the park.  Sometimes an opportunity comes up and we must take it .... and the risks/consequences is deadly.

Now, if you use Aveline to tank, such friendly fire mishap is minimal.  

[XOGHunter246]

All I will say is beware of Isabella bug if you have high friendship with her it will ruin you main character by making him get sluggish when in combat and lose stats.

[MegaToxic]

Im going to be doing Rogue my third run and was going to do same however i love Varric he is awesome reminds me of what the dawrf from the Eragon books might look like. Anyway mine will be a two handed rogue and then Varric, Aveline, and probably Anders, this has been my party for everything and i love it.