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Faust1979 wrote...

There really isn't that much fan rage, there are a lot of people probably playing the game and not every single Bioware fans come to these boards. The people here make up the small percentage of people playing the game. Some people should have seen the forums when Mass Effect 2 came out it was the same exact thing

I remember this, there was as much if not more raging when ME2 came out over the changes made

[BiggusDikkus]

Let me just say: Thank you. I agree with nearly everything you said and it's pretty much exactly what happened to me through my playthrough. Unfortunately you will get called a troll and have your beautiful review  dismissed.

I honestly hope that Bioware learns from this experience and decides to take responsibility rather than blaming others for their mistake.

I also have a question, did you import your Warden from Origins? And did you notice how nothing changed rather than a few lines of dialog? I honestly thought I was having a glitch.

Modifié par BiggusDikkus, 10 mars 2011 - 03:43 .

[Travie]

Stating that you are a 'professional' in your first post is called an Argument From Authority.

Everyone's opinion is equal (to a point). I see no reason to give your opinion any more time then I do anyone else's.

[Talcon]

Drogo45 wrote...

Writing must not be going all that well for you if you have all those gaming hours. Oh wait.....

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Give yourself some false
credentials so as to make your opinion warrant its own thread? It
doesn't so prepare for lockdown son.

This is why people hate Biodrones

[Dirty Whore]

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

Saw the game wasn't registered; skipped the wall

worst. white knighter. ever.

[NichaelBluth]

 I don't agree with everything in this review, but it is very well written. The people who are automatically calling those with negative opinions of DA2 "trolls" really should examine their posting behavior, and consider that feedback doesn't have to be positive as long as it is articulate like this thread.

[Guts05]

meh

[dreamextractor]

lol "Professional Writer".

Also...

"Please don't try to uh.. debate with me, because I'm not here for that; my opinion shouldn't be affecting anyone else's."

So only people that agree with you are allowed to post here?

lol ok.

Modifié par dreamextractor, 10 mars 2011 - 05:28 .

[MJRick]

Cobrawar wrote...

prepare to be flamed by bioware's minions. I thought it was a good review , you were being honest and hell that's all anyone can ask for.

Listen to this man, I mean he IS a secret dev.

[TW Ramases]

great review and exactly what i was thinking the entire game. i enjoyed the combat and the graphics alot but i just dont understand how anyone in their right mind could make a game reusing the same damn cave 100 times for every quest in the game in which these tunnels are part of the only city in the game. i mean cmon there is more to the free marshes than kirkwall. i thought it was a average game and not enough time was spent on it and hope they do better on the next one.

[bodymodboy]

dreamextractor wrote...

lol "Professional Writer".

Also...

"Please don't try to uh.. debate with me, because I'm not here for that; my opinion shouldn't be affecting anyone else's."

So only people that agree with you are allowed to post here?

lol ok.

DO NOT JUDGE HIM! For he is merely prattling on like a Chanter.

[Inriri]

dreamextractor wrote...

lol "Professional Writer".

Also...

"Please don't try to uh.. debate with me, because I'm not here for that; my opinion shouldn't be affecting anyone else's."

So only people that agree with you are allowed to post here?

lol ok.

Or maybe he already knows that his opinion is not going to sway anybody. Bioware fanboys are not known for being open-minded and they tend to be very dismissive

[iDubStep]

"Professional" writer?

Your second sentence runs on for days...

"It has attractive graphics, good music, some of the best dialogue and character interactivity in gaming history, an amazing battle system, and a simple story that was well-carried by its premise, its presentation, and its extremely fleshed out world."

[abominare]

You know how I know you arent a professional writer? (or at least a good one). You missed all the largely obvious writing mechanics that set this game apart from others in the industry.

I wont debate on a larger scale of whether or not this game was good but the story, you of all people by touting your a professional writer should have a greater respect for.

This first and foremost should not be seen as a singular story, you learn of hawke and such but he is just your window into the actual story of the world of thedas during the dragon age (its a period of time in case you missed that too). Think of it like Ray Bradbury Martian chronicle style. Theres individual stories at play that come together to give you a larger story of a period of time.

Now lets look at the major forces in this story. We have templar vs mage, Qunaari vs Kirkwall, and the Chant vs Qun. If you couldnt find real world parallels, allusions, social commentaries out of these conflicts then theres no hope for you. Another great part of the whole dark fantasy setting is the game doesnt step on your toes and blandly tell you one side is good the other is evil choose! Infact all of these groups are both evil with a touch of good intention allowing for you to decide your motivations and justifications for choosing one or the other.

One example of this is for Mage vs Templar. Which, incase you missed it is a great commentary on the moral struggle control vs autonomy where you have to ask is it ok to control the dangerous even though they might be innocent. Seeing how youre either a mage or your sister is a mage hiding from the templar the writers here understood that you will naturally have an affinity for mages with little roleplaying reason to not side on their cause the writers incur tension by having your mother killed by a mage allowing you to justify a choice towards templar control.

What about qunarri vs kirkwall? A strong moral leader versus having a weak leader looking to appease all walks and levels of morality. All complete with massive religious overtones and enough background information to color the societal forces at play here all completed by historical allusions to real world events.

Theres dozens of these at play throughout the game you missed all the best parts of the story that truly set this apart from the normal garbage of herp derp save da princress from da bad guyz that runs rampant through this industry.

[Lellandra]

I do not agree with everything on the OP but what I was most disappointed with were the characters. I loved most of DAO companions. I thought they were carefully written, the dialogues were great, they had depth.

I was talking to Anders and he was telling me about Justice. I wanted to know more and ask questions about it. I'm also playing a mage so I thought they would be very nice together.
As I go through the conversation choices, I noticed a flirt line. I'm thinking, well that's a little early... He also seemed really worried and saddened about turning the spirit into vengeance.
I picked the flirty line anyway since I was afraid I wouldn't be able to do so later.
I ended up making fun of justice living in his body, and saying it was a great body to choose.
I hated it! He didn't care. Just said we couldn't be together, he would break my heart... But I just met you, anders!!

It was all really weird.

[Gaidren]

Agree with the OP about Nightmare being just a big kite fest. Nightmare in DA:O was about making the most of your party's abilities, and winning a tough battle felt epic. I died a little inside the first time I won a boss fight with 1 party member up by kiting the boss + 3-4 friends for 15 minutes taking little pot shots with my staff when I could.

They got something wrong. I can't put my finger on what, because I still think having heals/healing potions on a long cooldown is a GOOD change (likewise with some of the crowd control spells). Having to kite on Nightmare and having kiting work so stupidly well are big failings for certain.

Modifié par Gaidren, 10 mars 2011 - 10:06 .

[Take_Opal]

ITT: Bioware Defense Force rip and tear the review apart to find something to belittle the author.

Even professional writers (if he is or is not is irrelevant) make mistakes but even so his opinion is still a worth while one.

Had he pirated the game and finished it, he still finished the game and has formed a rational opinion on it unlike a good amount of the people in this thread.

Learn to accept other people's opinions even if you disagree with them, learn to not explode in disgruntled and frantic arrogance when you don't agree with someone, learn to stop making a once good community look like one of the worst possible outcomes.

[Scitsce]

this is what i like most DA:O worshipers hate every think about DAII on priciple because its not DA:O2. i have enjoyed game. Some thinks were beter in origins and some in DAII.
I remember people writing **** about origins,BG2,Jade Empire...some thinks never change :-(
sorry for my bad english

[dreamextractor]

Take_Opal wrote...

ITT: Bioware Defense Force rip and tear the review apart to find something to belittle the author.

Even professional writers (if he is or is not is irrelevant) make mistakes but even so his opinion is still a worth while one.

Had he pirated the game and finished it, he still finished the game and has formed a rational opinion on it unlike a good amount of the people in this thread.

Learn to accept other people's opinions even if you disagree with them, learn to not explode in disgruntled and frantic arrogance when you don't agree with someone, learn to stop making a once good community look like one of the worst possible outcomes.

I accept his opinion and even agree with some of it, what I DON'T accept is that he doesn't accept disagreements.

[Take_Opal]

I haven't seen him deny anyone's opinion. I've read him say that he doesn't care what you have to say because he's not looking to be persuaded, he's understands what he does and doesn't like about the game. I've also read him say that people should finish the game and then come back so they can have a fully developed opinion on the game - not to anyone directly, just a general piece of advice.

[Pyromatic Tabby]

Thank you Chickenhawked, it isn't often I read an opinion on a message board that I argee with whole heartily. Although I do take you at your word that you will not check in on this topic I felt compelled to voice my approval.

Modifié par Pyromatic Tabby, 10 mars 2011 - 11:39 .

[Fidget6]

 Seriously? The story and characters are some of the deepest and most beautifully written I've seen in a video game ever. I actually was pretty amazed at how much it exceeded my expectatoins, which were already extremely high. I actually feel for these characters, as if they're real, which is really hard to accomplish in a video game. To each their own I guess. *shrugs*

[-Zorph-]

Ok. Wow.

So, stating you are a professional writer/amateur game designer is giving yourself some sort of elistic egotistical nature from the start without even having to read.

You are clearly not a 'Professional' writer, when you have a ton of run-on sentences. Furthermore, another point that proves you aren't a 'Professional' writer is some of the points you express about DA2's story.

By all means you have the right to your opinion and if you don't like the story, that's your thing. However, I don't see how DA:O even holds it's own to DA2's story. In DA2 there is suspense (for lack of a better word), and a lot of unpredictability.

For instance, in DA:O the storyline is basically you're toon (who I might add, doesn't have nearly as much emotional connection as Hawke does with the player; at least in my opinion) who goes to a few places to recruit some people, and then goes to a final battle with those people.

While DA:O is an amazing game, don't get me wrong; the story is definitely in my opinion lesser than DA2 in quality. Also, DA:O was incredibly and almost painfully boring to play and in the combat.  I loved the story and world but I was already bored when I got to Lothering. The Origins stories may try to connect you with the character a bit, but I believe Hawke has a much greater emotional connection.

In addition, the character have a ton more depth than in the predecessor. Other than Morrigan, who was my favorite (and still is) character in the Dragon Age series. Some of these companions and NPCs are extremely well written and I want to just dive into their history, a lot more than I did in Origins or other games in general.

I don't know about some of your points. I seriously question your credibility when you make a thread title so egotistical and almost trying to belittle other reviews.  While it is all opinion, you are seriously overlooking some facts.

Another concern is that you haven't registered the game. That's the first thing I do with any of my games for any developer if there is an option to.  Regarding the ending and what-not; well, I simply haven't gotten there yet since I am only 17 hours in.

I don't know how I feel about your review. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but your whole post feels exaggerated and almost troll-like to me. I am not by any means a BioWare fan boy, but this review kind of ticks me off.

Anyways, thats my 2 cents; take it or leave it.

Modifié par -Zorph-, 10 mars 2011 - 11:44 .

[Stanley Woo]

i think that's enough OP bashing, name-calling, and insults. Please post and discuss reviews int he supplied review thread. Thank you.

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