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[Aspar_Hruk]

BobSmith101 wrote...

For someone who loved everything about DA , freedom of character,multiple races,full dialogue, slower more thoughtful combat etc. A rating of 4/10 or even lower would hardly be unexpected.

The scores otherwise are ok ish until you compare them to other AAA titles then DA2 looks really bad.

Yep, exactly.
"Okish" You put it mildly ...I think the scores a low, but not unexpected and not without a reason, for me at least.

[rob_k]

Aspar_Hruk wrote...

I wouldn't agree with a critic score above 6.5 too though, cause the game has too many fails to get a higher score, compared to other games.

If we take the DAO score as a base, which was 91 i think, i could hardly believe a review that gives that game more than 6.5 ( a professional one), either.

Sorry about cutting out a lot of your post here. Not a big fan of long quotes, but at least your original post is right above this one.

In any case, the quoted parts are where subjectivity enters into the equation, especially with regard to the fails comment.

When I'm interested in a game, I tend to gobble up as much information as I can regarding it. So, when I buy a game, the chances are good I'll like it, especially when it's from a company whose games I enjoy. Both Obsidian and BioWare fall into this category (though Obsidian's F: NV dissapointed me due to the bugs though I hear they've patched it)

Now, depending on how the story and branching paths along with other aspects are received by me, I can see me giving it anywhere between a 3 - 4.5/5 score. With the 4.5 being reserved for me personally. I say this because the whole recycled areas thing etc. doesn't bother me amongst other stuff as long as the game plays well, it's not crashing all of the time and the story/branching paths/writing's good.

Of course, I'll have to wait and see how the story and such pans out. The 3 - 4.0 score would be taking into account the tastes of others. (And again, before settling on a definite score, I still have to play the game and then write up a review. I only have review/preview/interview and forum information to go off at the moment)

So, what I'm trying to get at, is that people need to acknowledge that while their opinion may be right (it can't be wrong as long as it's given in earnest), it doesn't automatically make their opinion a fact.

Edit: And for the record Bob, I love pretty much everything about DA: O as well. I should state I'm not a professional reviewer however, as I tend to do freelance writing for websites that pay upfronts and revenue share. (I guess it depends on what your definition of a professional is) Besides, non-fiction isn't really my forte but it pays. I'm mainly a walkthrough writer as well, rather than a reviewer.

(I guess I'm also hoping this whole user score debacle doesn't impact the sales negatively as well because it'd be a shame, though I hope a lot of people are like me and don't pay much attention to them)

Modifié par rob_k, 10 mars 2011 - 10:21 .

[Aspar_Hruk]

Well rob, your personal scoring, is right about next to mine, so it seems pretty obejctive to me from my point of view. I would rate this game with around 4.5 max. I am not exactly aware why critics give such high scores to some games, and would accept a critic score up to 6.5 as credible (which is still a very low score for a AAA Bioware game) in mu personal view. I wouldn't bet on or deny corruption. It may or may not be the reason, but for some reason, when an AAA game fails in users eyes they keep giving high scores.

[moilami]

Lets say you start with a score 50. After that you either increase the score or decrease it with stuff you find good or bad. And if you find something to be very good or very bad you increase or decrease the score even more. With stuff like "it is as expected for this type of game" you don't increase nor decrease the score.

[Aspar_Hruk]

moilami wrote...

Lets say you start with a score 50. After that you either increase the score or decrease it with stuff you find good or bad. And if you find something to be very good or very bad you increase or decrease the score even more. With stuff like "it is as expected for this type of game" you don't increase nor decrease the score.

Hm...interesting, but i am afraid using this system some ppl (including me probably) could get to a negative score
I would rather start with an optimistic max score and start deducting from it for negative points.

Modifié par Aspar_Hruk, 10 mars 2011 - 10:28 .

[rob_k]

Aspar_Hruk wrote...

Well rob, your personal scoring, is right about next to mine, so it seems pretty obejctive to me from my point of view. I would rate this game with around 4.5 max. I am not exactly aware why critics give such high scores to some games, and would accept a critic score up to 6.5 as credible (which is still a very low score for a AAA Bioware game) in mu personal view. I wouldn't bet on or deny corruption. It may or may not be the reason, but for some reason, when an AAA game fails in users eyes they keep giving high scores.

When you say your scoring is right around mine, that is 4.5/5 max rather than 4.5/10, correct? Otherwise, it's not around mine at all.

Modifié par rob_k, 10 mars 2011 - 10:30 .

[pezit]

There's a lot of things i dislike about DA2 but that review was horrible written and also contained misinformation (difficulty of the game amongst others).

[PureGold_Au]

Grafics, not that bad, what are you expecting? The glory of "god" to shine through your monitors? Combat is awesome, it feels great and powerful and it suceeds in pulling you in, and it is a fantasy game not a f-ing combat simulator. The characters are great, and their dialouge feels really well written. And the story as far as ive seen is really good. It doesnt have to connect directly to the first one, heck you could even consider the first one a prolouge to this one, in that it explains hawkes past. The UI is pretty bad though, reminds me of the ME interface, but it doesn't really fit in.. THAT was better in the first one..

Thats my five second review... During work

[moilami]

Aspar_Hruk wrote...

moilami wrote...

Lets say you start with a score 50. After that you either increase the score or decrease it with stuff you find good or bad. And if you find something to be very good or very bad you increase or decrease the score even more. With stuff like "it is as expected for this type of game" you don't increase nor decrease the score.

Hm...interesting, but i am afraid using this system some ppl (including me probably) could get to a negative score
I would rather start with an optimistic max score and start deducting from it for negative points.

Lol, in theory there is nothing wrong in with negative score. But for the sake of simplicity that kind of open endedness could be limited by saying max is 100 and min is 0.

[Aspar_Hruk]

rob_k wrote...

When you say your scoring is right around mine, that is 4.5/5 max rather than 4.5/10, correct? Otherwise, it's not around mine at all.

Well then it's not, mine is 4.5/10 max.

[Voidlight]

Funnily enough, sites like Gamespot aren't flooded with trolls and butthurt "fans" trying to downrate the game at every opportunity. Metacritic user scores are meaningless at the moment.

I also find it funny that Just Cause 2 got similar review scores to Dragon Age 2, yet people seem to praise it as a flawed masterpiece. So review scores are also meaningless, and getting hung up on them is a waste of time.

That's why I plan to judge the game on its own merits when I play it, not judge it on my expectations and prejudices.

Modifié par Voidlight, 10 mars 2011 - 10:37 .

[AkiKishi]

moilami wrote...

Lets say you start with a score 50. After that you either increase the score or decrease it with stuff you find good or bad. And if you find something to be very good or very bad you increase or decrease the score even more. With stuff like "it is as expected for this type of game" you don't increase nor decrease the score.

If I did that DA2 would probably end up with a lower score because there are a lot of little things I don't like about DA2 rather than a few otherwhelming flaws.

[rob_k]

Voidlight wrote...

Funnily enough, sites like Gamespot aren't flooded with trolls and butthurt "fans" trying to downrate the game at every opportunity. Metacritic user scores are meaningless at the moment.

I also find it funny that Just Cause 2 got similar review scores to Dragon Age 2, yet people seem to praise it as a flawed masterpiece. So review scores are also meaningless, and getting hung up on them is a waste of time.

That's why I plan to judge the game on its own merits when I play it, not judge it on my expectations and prejudices.

Reading the actual text and taking into account the positive points of a review is always the best bet, rather than just zeroing in on the negative points which is what many do, just like many only care about the score.

Edit: Agreed about judging the game on its own merits as well.

Modifié par rob_k, 10 mars 2011 - 10:46 .

[Aspar_Hruk]

PureGold_Au wrote...

Grafics, not that bad, what are you expecting? The glory of "god" to shine through your monitors? Combat is awesome, it feels great and powerful and it suceeds in pulling you in, and it is a fantasy game not a f-ing combat simulator. The characters are great, and their dialouge feels really well written. And the story as far as ive seen is really good. It doesnt have to connect directly to the first one, heck you could even consider the first one a prolouge to this one, in that it explains hawkes past. The UI is pretty bad though, reminds me of the ME interface, but it doesn't really fit in.. THAT was better in the first one..

Thats my five second review... During work

I will just dent in the gfx point here a bit, may i?
While i wouldn't say gfx is bad. No, techincally in some areas it is better than DA2, actually in most areas it is better. Looks better, has more visual polish, better higher poly models. But, if i may speak with a bit of techincal indept, i can't accept a game 2011 that can't push 20-30 trees on an outdoor map.
Sory, but in a greenish environment 2 trees sticking in the nowehre is flat for me. A DX9 card can push thousends of trees through instancing without big penalty.
Normal mapping and displacement mapping is good, but outdoor scenes, even as they are made so limited in view, they are quite quite empty. You have close visual distance, you have very few terrain details and yet, they failed to put more trees, grass, bushes, to make the scene look at least a bit better and lively? That seems rushed, cut, uninteresting to me, for an AAA game.
If this was a game by some small studio, that wanted 20-25$ for it and no sequel to some epic first part i would probably say, hey look, nice game, congratulation guys, you have done wonderfull job with the resoruces you have, your small studio, and for that price? Take my money, i will gladly supoprt you.
But for Bioware? Sory, doesn't fit, especially with the scheme..."Oh wait, we just took 60$ of you for a subpar for what you expected and our standards game but...hear hear...we have this DLC for only 15$ more and this for 10$ more and....", got my point i think.

Modifié par Aspar_Hruk, 10 mars 2011 - 10:45 .

[moilami]

BobSmith101 wrote...

moilami wrote...

Lets say you start with a score 50. After that you either increase the score or decrease it with stuff you find good or bad. And if you find something to be very good or very bad you increase or decrease the score even more. With stuff like "it is as expected for this type of game" you don't increase nor decrease the score.

If I did that DA2 would probably end up with a lower score because there are a lot of little things I don't like about DA2 rather than a few otherwhelming flaws.

Then the score would tell the game was far from perfect in your opinion. 

[majnuker]

his other review. i lol'd.

http://www.videogame.../review362.html

[Sparafucil]

FedericoV wrote...

Sparafucil wrote...

If you step outside of your echo chamber and look at other gaming forums and sites you'd see the response to DA2 has been massively more negative than Origins. The only outrage pertaining to DAO stemmed from the heavy-handed way BW integrated DLC into Origins--a far cry from the complaints DA2 has generated over nearly every change made to the gameplay.

Don't fed me that bull****.

The outrage pertaining DA:O regarded EVERYTHING. From difficulty, to bugs, to consolle problems, to combat, to being dumbed down for consolle. Just like DA2 some critic were legitimate and the other were not. The game received a mixed response here and elsewhere only that people allways remember the past with rose colored glasses. DA:O was not THAT popular and many people called it BORING, CLICHED AND TOO GENERALISTIC. 

You're exaggerating. And not that popular? DA:O was Bioware's most financially successful game to date and sold more copies than ME2.

[tariq071]

Sparafucil wrote...

You're exaggerating. And not that popular? DA:O was Bioware's most financially successful game to date and sold more copies than ME2.

Good question would be then why did they had to end up with this instead of continuation of the game (or story).

One would think it would be  financial suicide to completely erase succesful formula and start from scratch(although BW marketing director on that "famous" video interview doesn't think so).

I don't see this reaching even half of the sale numbers for DA:O.

[Cyocide]

I remember when DA:O hit one of the first reviews to break was like a 7.0 at some Australian mirror of a game magazine. I wanna say IGN or GameInformer but I know that can't be right. I wish I could remember. It was seriously one of the first to leak that I read and had me a bit worried.

I even remember some ranting video review with some dude in glasses saying "They shouldn't even call it Dragon Age: Origins, they should call it Dragon Age: Health Poultices." The rage was strong on the DA:O launch.

Modifié par Cyocide, 10 mars 2011 - 07:50 .

[Cra5y Pineapple]

Good reviews and sales mean nothing. Its about respect from gamers. And you can't walk into a single gaming forum without seeing a thread on how much DAII sucked (ESPECIALLY /v/).

And DAII got sales because it was medieval, which attracts a big fanbase. Assassin's Creed 1 sold quickly for the same reason.

[FellowerOfOdin]

Sparafucil wrote...
No less absurd than the perfect 100 score The Escapist gave it. 

Bought reviews are worth just as much as rage reviews. 0/10 obviously is a troll "review" that can hardly be considered a review at all...but getting paid to make "perfect" reviews is just as disgusting if not worse.

[AlanC9]

Respect from /v/ is the goal? Seriously?

[Foolsfolly]

I don't wish failure on BioWare, I love them too much, but this game really deserves to under perform a bit to teach a lesson.

That lesson is simple.

TELL A STORY!

I really dug this game. Not so much at first, I still learning and learning the ropes, but by the Act 2 opening I was really into it. There was all this political intrigue and a nice atmosphere of greed, fear, and prejudice. And the framed narrative device worked wonders, I looked forward to hearing more while I was playing the game.

And the gameplay was outstanding! And the maps were wonderfully made and detailed (however you see them so often that you start hating them).

It was all set up for a great fun game!

But the plot goes no where. And the final chapter of the game is mediocre (especially right after that second chapter and its boss fight/betrayal).

I hate to say it, but BioWare was far more interested in making DLC and Dragon Age 3 to tell their story here. What happened to morally gray choices? Where's Flemeth? What's so damned special about Hawke? What was the deal with all that foreboding from Witch Hunt about how a great change is coming (and then echoed by Flemeth in DA2)? That went no where.

The story fell flat on its face. It's not epic, it's not important to Thedas.

Hawke changes the shape of the world. Pfft. All marketing campaign.

[brunomalta]

Cause they made one so so game in your opinion? Yeah right! Go troll somewhere else.

[GreyLord]

infalible wrote...

 "Dragon Age: Origins was one of the best games ever created with full-scale castles, awesome tactical combat, excellent dialog and some of the best writing seen in any video games."

No need to read beyond this point...

I saw that at the beginning of the article, and my eyes rolled as well...

I think I'll give some no name reviewers more credit after that intro.