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[Riloux]

Does anyone else have this problem? Aveline cannot hold aggro on anything. Somehow Anders or Merrill or Hawke keep getting targetted. I'm looking at her hits, and she's hittings 1s, so I'm guessing she's not doing enough damage to get threat. 

[soteria]

Stuns clear threat, according to Peter Thomas.

[Eludajae]

For some reason Aveline does not taunt all the time. And like Soteria said everytime you stun you clear agro. If your using a mage clear their agro with mind blast.

[KallDay]

I don't see reliable damage-based threat for Aveline. Taunt (especially upgraded Taunt) is the best talent to have. Peter Thomas clarified that the skill basically empties enemy threat meters in the radius, and refills them will Aveline threat. That, plus intelligent focused fire from the DPS characters should be enough for most situations.

[Taleroth]

My main problem getting Avelline to hold threat is that she has bupkiss for stamina. She's got two modals that reserve half her stamina. She can maybe taunt once per fight.

But thanks for the information about stun. I'll have to keep an eye on that.

[Simz1986]

use a rogue specced into scoundrel's armstice and goad to help, makes life easier

[Taleroth]

Simz1986 wrote...

use a rogue specced into scoundrel's armstice and goad to help, makes life easier

Will only work on PC (the abilities are bugged on console due to targetting).  Thankfully, I'm on PC.

[mysticforce42]

As mentioned before 1) don't stun unless you have a plan, and 2) don't go AoE crazy unless you have a plan.

On Nightmare I find it helpful to have Aveline engage a group and Stonewall, while everyone else ignores that group and pick off the rest, then return to the first group. Agro management in DA2, much like that of a number of MMORPGs, is the responsibility of the DPS, not just the tank's.

[Thiefy]

hm i've not really had this problem using fenris as a tank, most enemies go for him, even though i out damage him and have better armor on lol. the only time it becomes a "problem" is when we clear an area and they pop up again, behind my archer+mage but they either kill the enemies really fast or i charge over there and clean them out. usually, if i'm in the same area as my mage or archer they'll target me anyway even if they are wiping things out with their AoE skills. I'm playing on normal though.

[soteria]

My main problem getting Avelline to hold threat is that she has bupkiss for stamina. She's got two modals that reserve half her stamina. She can maybe taunt once per fight.

You might consider not starting fights with those sustains on. Taunt, then activate them. Free stamina.

[Maverick827]

The cynic in me still wants to believe that threat is as screwy as it was in Origins from my few hours of playing DA2, but I'll keep an eye out for using stuns, as that could be why Taunt often seems to do nothing.

[MetallicaRulez0]

I ahd a lot of trouble with aggro from Aveline until I got upgraded Bravery (+50% threat for each additional enemy surrounding her past 1). Now, she is an aggro machine minus the odd Archer or enemy I'm attacking on Hawke. Basically if it's in her range, it's locked onto her.

I do wish I had more snap threat than Taunt though, because situations do arise where she hits Taunt too early in a wave and half of the enemies are still running around. Improved Shield Bash is decent, and Assault can work, but it feels like she is much too reliant upon Taunt.

[Jarlaxlecq]

Bench Avaline and make a 2H tank, all that cleaving makes for good threat

[Colma]

Riloux wrote...

Does anyone else have this problem? Aveline cannot hold aggro on anything. Somehow Anders or Merrill or Hawke keep getting targetted. I'm looking at her hits, and she's hittings 1s, so I'm guessing she's not doing enough damage to get threat. 

Thats why Aveline is garbage. If the rest of your party dies, she will not be able to kill whats left unless you have a LOT of heal potions. Fenris might die faster, but hell, he can at least kill trash mobs.

[cuwepal]

 i have had no prob with tanks holding threat if you are only able to use taunt one time you did not chose the right skills second breath gives you all your stam back, and the skill before it you can spam to get 5%stam every time you hit it so your tank should never be out of stam in longer fights. and sword and shield dose a crazy amount of dmg if you spec into it 10sec cd on shield bash keeps bosses locked on my tank, granted biggest thing i have killed was the dragon and aveline held it with out a prob 

[Graunt]

Don't use shield defense unless she's really surrounded (or on a true boss) and taking damage quickly.  Simply upgrade her SnS tree until she's crit immune, and make sure to pickup the improved Shield Bash, especially if you have anyone Primal casters in your group.  These are the other must have talents for her (forget Bravery):

3. Battle Synergy
Requires: Level 5
Requires: Rally
While this
mode is active, the warrior and other party members within range fight
as a cohesive unit that is deadlier than the sum of its parts. (This
mode cannot be used at the same time as Bravery.)
Defense: +5% per companion, for all party members
Damage reduction: +3% per companion, for all party members
Size: 10m
Reserved: 30% of stamina
Cooldown: 10s
Type: Sustained mode

4. Fearless Synergy
Requires: Level 9
Requires: Battle Synergy
Points required in Battlemaster: 2
The warrior now taunts nearby enemies while Battle Synergy is active, drawing the foes' attention away from party members.
Threat transfer: +50% from companions to warrior
Type: Upgrade

5. Hero's Synergy
Requires: Level 11
Requires: Battle Synergy
Points required in Battlemaster: 2
The
warrior now makes sacrifices on behalf of other party members,
voluntarily suffering damage that the allies would otherwise have
suffered themselves.
Damage transfer: +25% from companions to warrior
Type: Upgrade

Modifié par Graunt, 10 mars 2011 - 10:18 .

[Feranel]

Wow, thank's Graunt, I was an idiot and never read the rest of the Battlemaster Tree.

[KallDay]

Graunt wrote...

4. Fearless Synergy
Requires: Level 9
Requires: Battle Synergy
Points required in Battlemaster: 2
The warrior now taunts nearby enemies while Battle Synergy is active, drawing the foes' attention away from party members.
Threat transfer: +50% from companions to warrior
Type: Upgrade

No doubt Fearless Synergy is a good talent, but I'm still questionable about the utility of it on the higher difficulties. Does the threat transfer only apply to threat generated by party members who are standing within the 10m aura of Battle Synergy at the time of threat generation? Unless the party is melee heavy, seems like a lot of the time characters will need to be out of the aura, whether it be for kiting, repositioning, line-of-sighting ranged enemies, etc.

Modifié par KallDay, 11 mars 2011 - 12:36 .

[GRX Dragon]

Perhaps one major reason I almost always tank in any single-player game... the AI cannot tank as well as it can perform any other role it seems.

[Acrn]

Huh. I'll have to give that a try Graunt, thanks. I too have been having trouble keeping agro.

[Clonedzero]

i had the same issue, the main thing i found was that aveline was out of stamina all the time.
i invested in battlemaster talents with her and that problem went away. battlemaster is awesome.

[nubbers666]

Eludajae wrote...

For some reason Aveline does not taunt all the time. And like Soteria said everytime you stun you clear agro. If your using a mage clear their agro with mind blast.

in my game she just stands still looking like an idiot maybe takes a swing here or there but other than that she is as worthless as her templar husband <_<

[soteria]

Two other things to think about: Threat decays over time, and many bosses will order their minions to attack a designated target, effectively bypassing Aveline.

[Telvannis]

Aveline is (in my experience) consistently terrible at holding threat.

Fenris keeps things glued to him though. The only drawback: A party of Mage Hawke, Merril, and Anders means all Fenris EVER talks about is his hatred of mages.

[Vasiliii]

I might respec Aveline deeper into the BM tree as I'm only dropping threat when adds come (boss calls for help.. Second wave of enemies, etc.). Thanks for that. Is the threat transfer only in the small radius of the sustain though?