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[DrunkDave89]

Modifié par DrunkDave89, 10 mars 2011 - 09:26 .

[Naitaka]

Useful: A draw between Varic and Merril

Useless: Isabella hands down.

[Sabresandiego]

Useful: Anders and Varric

Useless: Isabella

This is on nightmare and I am playing a 2 hand warrior so this is a bit biased since I prefer ranged teamates.

[Kharde]

Useful, Aveline... Varric/Sebastian if you're not a rogue.

Useless: (I was playing mage) Merril, Fenris (I tried to make him 2h tank, but he took too much damage.)

[KallDay]

Most Useful: Aveline; tank par excellence.

Least Useful: Merill; featuring no access to Creation and a watered-down Blood Mage spec.

[cihimi]

Varric/Fenris

Isabela (sorry, dear, but you're just eye candy right now...)

[StilRH]

I've found good use for all characters so far - but it would depend on your character's class and specs really. Getting the most use from Aveline (tank) and Anders (heal) so far. Merrill (though I love spirit and primal trees, not too hot on her unique talents yet) and Fenris (again 2h warr is pretty stong but no good synergy with my main character and not so hot on his unique tree).

[conanthelibrarian63]

For those that say Isabella is useless...why might I ask. I just got her and am thinking of using her in my party for a while.

[Kamifel]

usefull : anders and varric (for his treat redirection tech).

Useless : Isabella (in nightmare, she never survive).

[KallDay]

conanthelibrarian63 wrote...

For those that say Isabella is useless...why might I ask. I just got her and am thinking of using her in my party for a while.

Folks must be afraid of proximity based threat, and how Isabella can draw too much of that when microed poorly. Folks need to step up their tank game. Isabella looks to be a good candidate for Defense-based offtank with her specific talents, in addition to excellent single-target DPS. Varric couldn't tank a Hurlock.

Basically, Varric, being ranged, requires less babysitting than Isabella and gets better scores for that reason.

[Gaidren]

KallDay wrote...

conanthelibrarian63 wrote...

For those that say Isabella is useless...why might I ask. I just got her and am thinking of using her in my party for a while.

Folks must be afraid of proximity based threat, and how Isabella can draw too much of that when microed poorly. Folks need to step up their tank game. Isabella looks to be a good candidate for Defense-based offtank with her specific talents, in addition to excellent single-target DPS. Varric couldn't tank a Hurlock.

Basically, Varric, being ranged, requires less babysitting than Isabella and gets better scores for that reason.

I wish I understood the threat system in this game better.  I struggled with it in DA: O too, even though I cleared the game easily on Nightmare.  I do have experience with MMOs too, so the concept of "threat" isn't foreign to me...I just don't understand how it works 100% in DA/DA 2.

Anyways, another reason people favor Varric over Isa is friendly fire.  If you play on Nightmare there *is* friendly fire, and if you use a 2h warrior in your party (many do) you are asking for Isa to get cleaved often unless you micro her very carefully.  She's also more likely to get nailed by your AoEs since she is in melee range of enemies.

I could see Isa being a lot more viable on Hard/Normal.

[SuicidalBaby]

useful : anders and varric (for his treat redirection tech + insane damage).

Useless : Isabella (in nightmare, she never survive). She gets slapped around.

Folks who have used Isabella watch her get hit twice or back stabbed once and then folks watch her fall to the ground lifeless. Folks also don't like being called folks. Folks calling people folks need to step up their vocabulary.

varric's personal tree > Isabella's personal tree      ....by like 100x.

Modifié par SuicidialBaby, 10 mars 2011 - 12:56 .

[BanditGR]

Useful : Aveline (if not a tank yourself), Anders (unless you are a mage and have talents that supersede his own) and then its basically a toss up between Varric and Merril, again depending on class, for instance it is always useful to have a rogue around etc.
Useless : Isabella for the reasons KallDay mentioned. It's not a bad character per se, but it does require quite a bit of micro, to get the best out of her and chances are, if you are already playing a melee char, not to mention a melee rogue, it's just too much of a hassle when compared to Varric.

[Naitaka]

It's not abou the micro, it's about playing on nightmare where the statistic is against you. Anyone relying on a defense that gets dropped down to the low 20% no matter how high you try to push it will die, period. Isabella might be fine on normal and hard, but she's just about useless on nightmare.

[shaneho78]

SuicidialBaby wrote...

useful : anders and varric (for his treat redirection tech + insane damage).

Useless : Isabella (in nightmare, she never survive). She gets slapped around.

Folks who have used Isabella watch her get hit twice or back stabbed once and then folks watch her fall to the ground lifeless. Folks also don't like being called folks. Folks calling people folks need to step up their vocabulary.

varric's personal tree > Isabella's personal tree      ....by like 100x.

Not to mention Varric is a much better choice when it comes to CCCs. His abilities are used in all 3 categories (including kickback to exploit Stagger)

[Rylor Tormtor]

Naitaka wrote...

It's not abou the micro, it's about playing on nightmare where the statistic is against you. Anyone relying on a defense that gets dropped down to the low 20% no matter how high you try to push it will die, period. Isabella might be fine on normal and hard, but she's just about useless on nightmare.

Yes, Isabella spends more time on her back during combat than she does at the Hanged Man. What I wouldn't give to slap a strength of stone on her.

Anyways, back on topic:

Most Usefull: Aveiline and Anders (as the closest thing to a healer)

Least  Useful: Isabella (and I suppose Merril, since as a mage I have yet to use her).

[ajbry]

Isabela's definitely a challenge to keep alive sometimes, can't argue with that.

Varric has been excellent for me (although now I'll be switching to Sebastian - I can finally bring him along), and Aveline was solid (used her in Act I a bit).

[kaiki01]

Useful - Carver(using as a 2H tank), Varric(how can he not be? ^^), Merrill(2nd mage)
Useless - Fenris(Already got a 2H), Isabella(Likes to throw herself onto the enemy swords >_<)

[Parrk]

Kamifel wrote...

usefull : anders and varric (for his treat redirection tech).

Useless : Isabella (in nightmare, she never survive).

Did you have her e unique spec running?  It seems like she would have to be getting killed by single mobs.  Surrounded by 4 mobs she begins to be a bi t of a tank.

I'm not speaking in her favor as "more useful"  than any of the others, I  jsut don't see how she could have relatively low survivability with all that stacked defense.




My opinion:

Most: Anders, Merill.
Least: Depends on what I'm playing. Some specs have duplicate synergy, others do not.




Merill is a monster though.  She likes to die, but that is completely solved by entropic sustained ability.  I use her to cast corrosive-virulent-living-bomb on a mob, then I one-shot the mob and it kills all the lesser adds.

If I  hadn't had that trick versus the templar Varell (or whatever his name was) , then that fight would have been far more difficult.   Her entropy healing  meant she was the only on besides hawk still alive at the end of that fight.

Anders is so useful that it seems that Bio just really really really wanted you to use him.

[Stevie 402]

Aveline/ Varric/ Merril/ Anders- all are useful

Carver/ Isabella - least useful.

[callango_preto]

Am I the only one that thinks isabella is usefull? Not only that I always bring her along.

She does require a lot of micro-anagement, yes, but on nightmare mode I have to pause every second so my aoe spells won't kill anybody and I disabled all offensive tactics to take direct control of what my party members are doing....

if somebody is targeting isabella I just pause, vanish, backflip, use something on the scoundrel tree and go back to backstabbing.

Her backstab and dual strike habilities DESTROY the enemies... especially that assassins that like to vanish and kill random party members.

Modifié par callango_preto, 11 mars 2011 - 08:18 .

[Archer zr0]

the only char i found not useful is Isabela. On hard the fight starts with her going down which i dont understand since i am playing another game with a DW rogue and she is hard to kill but prolly cause i also buy constitution. That guy who said she spends alot of time on her back wasn't making that up though. Dunno why don't care for the dirty pirate hooker yet maybe on another play through.

[IN1]

Useful: both mages, Aveline (Serve and Protect + Elite Bodyguard + Hero's Synergy = 85% damage transfer, which is incredibly useful for certain builds), Fenris (only if you decide to make him a rival, then go quasi-Reaver spamming Whirlwinds on brittle opponents). Potentially: Isabela (for auto-crit AoE, if nothing else, but that potential takes a long while to unlock).

Useless: umm, well, both archers are horrible. Standard archery talents suck (especially the superficially useful Shattering Arrow's +600% fire damage vs brittle synergy that always does less damage than one auto-attack crit on a brittle target), while their own specs look nice in theory, but trying to get that CCC for Varric or finish the Righteous Chain combo with Arrow of Judgment for Sebastian is a total waste of time. You can just stack CriticalRange (+X% crit. damage) and auto-attack several times instead: the result will be much, much, much better.

Ultimately, it all comes down to playstyle. I play this way: http://social.biowar...8/index/6481877; but I can almost imagine a viable party heroically soldiering it through Nightmare with Varric and Sebastian  

Modifié par IN1, 12 mars 2011 - 06:05 .

[Xx B3RT0 xX]

I guess I just havent unlocked Fenris is because I have no idea who that is.

ATM I am playing as a rogue myself and I always have Aveline around to tank. The other 2 spots are a toss up for me. I was using Beth for all of act 1 to heal but.. well you know how that ended. So now that she is gone I am trying to decide if I want Anders hanging around. Isabella is just so much eye candy its "hard" for me not to take her along. I like her sayings and I'm still trying to romance her so, not sure what to do on that one. Merill seems to do crazy amounts of AoE dmg and Varric, well I'm not sure about him either. Seems squishy and his dmg appears to be total ****.

[IN1]

>Seems squishy and his dmg appears to be total ****.

Well, that sums it up very well. He is squishy and his damage output is s... somewhat sub-optimal! In fact, DA2 archery is very much like DAO archery: unbelievably crappy talents, but a viable possibility to build a good auto-attack ranged character (Shadow+Assassin specs) if you go archer as a protagonist. Currently, I've found no redeeming qualities to Varric and Sebastian (aside from superficially appealing talents with huge damage increase percentage listed)