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[MrSaberTooth]

long story short it might say in game her defense is there but her modifier looking@ the save file might be all out of wack.

[Rehwyn]

How useful your companions are kinda depends on what class/build you're playing and what difficulty you're on.

Based on my playthrough as a DW rogue on Nightmare, listed roughly from most to least useful.

Aveline: Good tank. Good damage with CCCs. Bodyguard saves my life.

Anders: Healing, Revive, and Barrier are excellent defensive abilities. Glyph of Paralysis is great CC and upgraded Mind Blast helps him live. Heroic Aura (upgraded) and Haste (upgraded) are massive boosts to party damage. I pretty much always had Anders in my party.

Merrill: Full primal, Crushing Prison (upgraded), deep Entropy, and upgraded Winter's Grasp give her tons of debuffs/cc and damage from CCCs. She had roughly the same HP and Armor at the end of the game as Aveline, so rarely died. And none of her AoEs (with this build) hit friendly party members. Win.

Varric: Great damage and useful aggro management tools with Armistace + Goad. Redundant with my Hawke since I'm a rogue, however. Benched except when I needed him (but I'm loving him on my 2h warrior).

Sebastian: Similar to Varric except his personal tree is not quite as good. I pretty much never used him except during his quests.

Isabela: Redundant with my own DW Rogue and does inferior damage. On my warrior, inferior to Varric in terms of survivability (ranged vs melee). Probably the least useful party member (on Nightmare) except for...

Fenris: Does great burst AoE damage and is tanky. Which is fun. Except on Nightmare he one-shots your party members with Scythe or Whirlwind. I had to manually control Fenris during his quests and let Hawke run on tactics to avoid dying. On anything less than Nightmare I'd rate him highly however.

Modifié par Rehwyn, 19 mars 2011 - 04:34 .

[GodBID]

randomchasegurney wrote...

I liked anders for his revive, but then I got the revive grenade and never looked back.

Rofl

That's pretty much how i was until i added Spirit Healer tree into merril (ya i can't stand anders i want to murder the emogit IRL if he was real that is )

[MrSaberTooth]

anders hands down is the most useful period. but i hate him now. he was a fun cat loving weirdo mage now hes a pervy dirty lives and looks like a bum radicalist who is beyond nuts.

[Chiramu]

Useful: Anders and Aveline

Useless: Isabela, and I never use Merril (she chews through my mana pots on her quests :<)

[Brad Rampley]

im going to make a build that makes isabella the most useful but its gonna take some time

[NationalWreck]

KallDay wrote...

conanthelibrarian63 wrote...

For those that say Isabella is useless...why might I ask. I just got her and am thinking of using her in my party for a while.

Folks must be afraid of proximity based threat, and how Isabella can draw too much of that when microed poorly. Folks need to step up their tank game. Isabella looks to be a good candidate for Defense-based offtank with her specific talents, in addition to excellent single-target DPS. Varric couldn't tank a Hurlock.

Basically, Varric, being ranged, requires less babysitting than Isabella and gets better scores for that reason.

Looks to be a good candidate? sounds like you haven't even played her.

Her only damage is All Hands on Deck which has a high CD, her other special abilties are absolutely terrible, she is not viable at all for any of the difficult encounters on Hard Mode. Defense isn't going to help you against magic damage or abilites which can't be dodged. Doesn't matter if Varric couldn't tank a Hurloc, that's what a real warrior is for like Fenris or Hawke, who can actually do damage and survive.

Most useful IMO is Varric, nobody can out DPS him with his special passive abillities. Plus he never needs a weapon.
Least useful is Isabela, close second is Merrill, who has no heals and therefore not viable mage for hard/nightmare.

Modifié par NationalWreck, 19 mars 2011 - 10:29 .

[Rehwyn]

NationalWreck wrote...
Least useful is Isabela, close second is Merrill, who has no heals and therefore not viable mage for hard/nightmare.

Because only healing is useful, not good CCC damage, debuffs, or crowd control, amirite?

[Brad Rampley]

My theory is what do u need healing for if the enemies that are trying to cause the damage cant simply because they are stunned, hitting something that wants to be hit(a tank) or dead, a damage causing party. just a suggestion But whatever works works and noone can argue with that.

[NationalWreck]

Rehwyn wrote...

NationalWreck wrote...
Least useful is Isabela, close second is Merrill, who has no heals and therefore not viable mage for hard/nightmare.

Because only healing is useful, not good CCC damage, debuffs, or crowd control, amirite?

your argument is null because Anders (and even Bethany before Anders) have those things + healing.

Modifié par NationalWreck, 20 mars 2011 - 12:27 .

[Rehwyn]

NationalWreck wrote...

your argument is null because Anders (and even Bethany before Anders) have those things + healing.

Because you can only have one mage in your party at a time, eh?

Having both Anders and Merrill is a very potent combination.

Modifié par Rehwyn, 20 mars 2011 - 12:59 .

[Zing Freelancer]

Useful:
Fenris, great tank with teeth!
Verric, just epic at everything he does.

Useless:
Isabella, you dont need her if you got varric
Merril / Anders if your character is a mage.


The most useless character of DA2 prize goes to Hawkes siblings.

Modifié par Zing Freelancer, 20 mars 2011 - 01:08 .

[TeamLexana]

Merril's dps is sick though and she can tank like a mofo at high levels as opposed to Anders who if anything even looks at him, he dies, lol. Merril makes me want to run a blood mage cuz she's just that BA. Only thing is I don't know if I could stand to use a main character that's so weak for most of the game simply because I have to keep pumping magic and willpower for the better equips, keeping the con very low for a long time.

[Torintinhammer]

I guess we are just talking about combat here. I switch out party members based on the story line and sometimes for combat. Also how useful a party member is usually depends on how I specc them out and equip them.

[Crossroads_Wanderer]

Well, I'm only playing on normal, so I could really get through with just about any party composition. I find myself preferring a party build with one fighter, preferable a two-hander (Fenris), a ranged rogue (Varric), and a mage (Anders), to go with my main character being a dual-wield assassin-specialized rogue. It's interesting, because my composition was typically one tank fighter, one rogue, and two wizards (one DPS and one healer) in Origins, but healing seems to be more of an auxiliary thing in DA2. I've got Anders and Varric to pepper the crowd from afar (though Anders isn't too shabby when he focuses on one foe, either), and Fenris and my rogue go in for the major damage on individual targets. Anders does throw in some healing every now and then, and sometimes I have him revive people, particularly in boss fights.

Assassinate is a must-have ability. Stroke-for-stroke, Fenris has me beat in the damage-dealing department, but assassinate, sometimes followed by twin fangs, can often fell the big bad before he can really do any harm. In Night Terrors, I'm not sure if the demons were supposed to be pitifully weak, but assassinate was felling them with one hit.

[Cyakura]

Usefull: Varic, Aveline and Isabella when you can afford to get her good knives and make sure u have potions in her tactics.
Useless: Meril hands down ( if I could kill Meril or turn her away to leave I would do it which I happen to do 100% with Anders)

[gingerbill]

Brightassin wrote...

Useful: Bethany or Anders (when she's not available)
Useless: Isabella, Fenris, Merril.

merril and fenris can both throw out great damage and CCC . Merril is very hard to kill , she is a powehouse with the correct spells , higher levels she is like a tank to kill. High levels fenris can tank and do crazy damage.

crazy to say any of those 2 are useless.

Cyakura wrote...

Usefull: Varic, Aveline and Isabella when you can afford to get her good knives and make sure u have potions in her tactics.
Useless: Meril hands down ( if I could kill Meril or turn her away to leave I would do it which I happen to do 100% with Anders)

try merril with stone armour and 40 con with her blood magic , never mind defensive spells , she is a rock , add in chain lightning and stagger and she is a killing machine.

Modifié par gingerbill, 25 mai 2011 - 12:58 .

[mesmerizedish]

Most useful: Merrill
Most useless: Archer Hawke

[gingerbill]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Most useful: Merrill
Most useless: Archer Hawke

archer hawke usless ? , seen some archer assasinate builds? crazy crazy damage.

[mr_afk]

@ishmaeltheforsaken - well...if you have an archer like IN1's:
this one is pretty cool as well: http://www.youtube.c.../40/-K1Mx4jlatY 

Modifié par mr_afk, 25 mai 2011 - 01:08 .

[mousestalker]

Most useful: Dog as he doesn't count towards the party total and he kills the Arishok.

Most useless: Tie between Mom and Aveline's first husband.

Modifié par mousestalker, 25 mai 2011 - 01:10 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Most useful: Varric.

Most useless: Fenris.

[_Aine_]

All depends on who I was really....

Useful: In general, build dependant: Varric, Anders

Useless: anyone who duplicates your build at the time.

Modifié par shantisands, 25 mai 2011 - 01:13 .

[ThePinkFoxx]

I don't think any of the characters are 'useless' if you know how to use them properly, and hone their attributes and skills properly, any team member can become an instrument of destruction!

Anders is effective because of his healign abilities and I like to use Fenris as my warrior because he is epically strong and fast and has the best specific skill tree for one on one battles.

[AngryFrozenWater]

To clarify my previous post a bit. I don't believe in close combat. It feels not very smart to run towards your enemy to face death. I rather use ranged combat and be tactical. Which is much harder in DA2 than DA:O (but doable), but that's another topic.