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[hoorayforicecream]

Most Useful: Murder Knife. Kills people with plot armor dead!
Most Useless: Murder Knife. Too picky about who it will kill dead.

[ipgd]

Anders and Merrill are both better than the PC mage. Pretty much mandatory for any optimized rogue/warrior group comp. Martyr + haste is buuuuhhhhh-roken.

Poor Isabela makes herself redundant because of friendly fire ):

[Theia53]

I almost always play Rogue, so the most useless are: Isabella, Sebastian then Varric

Most useful are Anders, Aveline, Bethany/Merrill, Fenris

When I play a Mage, Isabella is my number one companion followed closely by Aveline. (I can't get pass Carver's whining, I think he might be useful ... but he whines.)

[upsettingshorts]

Most useless: Isabela on Nightmare because she dies. A lot. On any other difficulty level no-one is useless.

Most useful: Merrill spec Blood Mage (because she's nigh-unkillable), or Anders.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 25 mai 2011 - 07:01 .

[mesmerizedish]

gingerbill wrote...

archer hawke usless ? , seen some archer assasinate builds? crazy crazy damage.

Assassinate is a melee skill. If my character is using a melee skill for a significant portion of her damage output, I don't really consider her an archer.

[upsettingshorts]

I used Assassinate with my Archer Rogue at range, unless I'm inventing memories.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 25 mai 2011 - 06:59 .

[Dave of Canada]

If you're an archer and use assassinate, you flip backward and shoot an arrow that hits extremely hard on pretty much everything. Though Varric and Sebastian's abilities tend to be better than it.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 25 mai 2011 - 07:01 .

[mesmerizedish]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I used Assassinate with my Archer Rogue at range, unless I'm inventing memories.

Really? Every time I used it, I had to run up to the target before doing the backflip thing Dave mentioned. I'd have liked it a lot more if I could have stayed at range.

[Perles75]

I'm playing on hard and not on nightmare but Isabela is not that bad.
Being an archer, I never use Varric and Sebastian, but when I'm forced to take Varric with me for the quests, it always makes a good impression (cannot say the same about Seb though).

The character that I really really don't like is Merrill, by far the most useless to me. The most useful, Andres perhaps.

[Perles75]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I used Assassinate with my Archer Rogue at range, unless I'm inventing memories.

confirmed. I do it all the time

[mr_afk]

@ishamael - assassinate is medium ranged. it won't have the range of autoattacks but it does mean you don't have to get into melee range. you might be thinking of vendetta? it has a stealth animation rather than a backflip, but you warp across the map to stab(melee) the enemy, even for archers.
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On the topic,
In general, I would say that all the companions have their uses if you use the right setup/build them right, but the crappiest would have to be Carver.

He's basically a not-so-good version of fenris and as I already hate fenris....
While bethany also doesn't get a personal tree, she has useful trees like creation and entropy, allowing her to haste and hex (making her one of the best mages).
Carver doesn't have anything special, with fenris having access to all his trees and an extra specialisation. This means that his build will basically be a fenris minus the personal tree.

Fenris's personal tree allows him to reach a ridiculously high crit-chance, which coupled with sunder will help a lot in terms of staggers and damage output (I still prefer Aveline however). As there really isn't any advantage to have two 2Hs (and hardly any for even one), Carver pretty much is the most useless party member ever.

I still use him for act1 though (so I get to experience the joys of his amazing personality..) but hardly for an optimised party.


(because I feel like procrastinating) imo, in order of usefulness:
Bethany: Cos she's awesome.

Anders: Good at hasting/healing/heroic aura and dealing lots of damage. All mages are useful

Merrill: Durable mage with pretty nice hexing/mage CCCs.

Aveline: Access to elemental weapons, disorient CCCs, reliable staggers, good damage resistance/defending abilities = Can be made into a great tank or great dps+semi tank

Varric: Very high dps (ridiculous attack speed), brittle CCCs (friendly fire!), can setup disorient, low health but ranged = very useable

Sebastian: High dps (especially with elemental bows), brittle CCCs, can setup disorient and reduce enemy dmg resist, more durable and ranged = for me he seems like a durable version of Varric with slightly less damage but some interesting abilities

Fenris: High crit chance --> high staggers, brittle CCCs, decent dps, pretty shoddy hp = meh, useable, but CCCs are harder to pull off without micromanagement+friendly fire issues

Isabela: Very high dps (full dex build), decent spike damage, big boo..., low health = hard to use without lots of microing, not many CCCs available, but useable

&Carver: I think I covered it earlier.


Note that this may slightly change depending on your party setup/playing nightmare or not. Generally a rogue is a must and of the rogues I prefer Varric. So Varric's 'usefulness' will be the highest possible in terms of general utility.
However, there are times I would prefer a warrior-hawke+three mage setup as mages seem to have the best utility in terms of actual combat. Later game I always prefer a mixed setup (one rogue, two mages, one warrior) such that complex CCC setups can be made. Depending on what hawke is a companion is kicked out - e.g. mage hawke = no anders, rogue hawke = no aveline/varric, warrior hawke = no aveline

Aveline's usefulness will largely depend on if you need a warrior to tank threat and if you are busy setting up walking bombs/disorients.
The only reason why Isabela is so low is because I can't find a way through tactics to make her be as good as microing - if you micro Isabela her usefulness will skyrocket, as you're effectively getting some of the highest dps possible from a companion.

Modifié par mr_afk, 25 mai 2011 - 09:10 .

[AreleX]

isabela is the mr afk of party members

the worst companion

[mr_afk]

Well at least i'm not like Carver..

Modifié par mr_afk, 25 mai 2011 - 09:12 .

[Sidney]

Carver is useless because he is a low-rent Fenis and without Lyrium Ghost the 2H warrior gets chewed up pretty badly.

Other than that there's no one useless IMHO. I think that the NPC specific skill webs make them a lot better other than Merrill whose blood magic web is not all that useful for me.

[ErikNilsson]

For nightmare
Best: Merril, there is some serious damage that chick can pump out.
Worst: Isabella, no comment neccesary.

[Luke Barrett]

Playing on Nightmare my least useful companion is also my favorite companion. Oh, the irony

As for the best companion I would lean towards Varric simply because he puts out some solid DPS and he gives me free XP for traps and chests

Modifié par Luke Barrett, 25 mai 2011 - 05:51 .

[tonnactus]

Luke Barrett wrote...



As for the best companion I would lean towards Varric simply because he puts out some solid DPS and he gives me free XP for traps and chests

As long as he spots them early enough...(the traps)
Dont know if this is same on pc,on the xbox its to late in many cases.

[Pasquale1234]

tonnactus wrote...

Luke Barrett wrote...



As for the best companion I would lean towards Varric simply because he puts out some solid DPS and he gives me free XP for traps and chests

As long as he spots them early enough...(the traps)
Dont know if this is same on pc,on the xbox its to late in many cases.

I also find it difficult to disarm traps before someone in my party trips them on PS3.

I would love to have a tactic for rogues like this:
Trap:Any - Disarm

And for non-rogues:
Trap:Spotted - Avoid

[Luke Barrett]

I've just played the game enough times that I know where all the traps are. I find if you're controlling the rogue it's not too bad but if you're playing as Hawke by the time the rogue gets in range of the trap to see it you're just about on top of it so ya, it's kinda useless at that point. I save VERY frequently when I play on PC so I just reload and get my free xp from it

[Sidney]

If the rogue is out front you have much better odds but if your mage/warrior is leading from the front you'll trigger them a lot. There should be logic that says not to step on found traps which is a problem.

[yonot]

Isabela is a must have in my party. I dont mind micromanageing her if she kills everything fast. It seems that people who play tactically love isabela while people who try to play without stopping hate her. Sebastian is the most useless by far. All the other companions have an edge that makes their fighting style different. Sebastian has two good abilites and that is it.

[anotherunoriginalname]

i never liked anders in awakenings, and merrill is a poor imitation of herself from dao, but i put up with them as the are very useful when you micormanage the leveling up and the combats.

[blueduck1982]

Most useful: Isabela and Merrill, never used these two much until my recent playthrough, now they are my favourite, they make everyone else look weak late-game, Izzy with her high defense and Twin Fangs is virtually unstoppable, Merrill specced as a blood mage and with crowd control abilities can get rid of enemies in one fell swoop AND live to see another day.....or wave!

Least useful: Anders and Varric, I don't really need Anders with Isabela and Merrill in the party killing the enemies so fast and I only say Varric, purely because he gets on my nerves, and I don't like the way the dwarves look in this game, lol, so I suppose to me he is the least used rather than the least useful, on the other hand both Anders and Varric are very squishy and are always the first to die.

Modifié par blueduck1982, 22 février 2014 - 12:30 .

[Lulupab]

Anders is not just about healing, he is the master of nightmare difficulty. Apart from his healing capabilities that everyone know about I'm gonna talk about his damage potential.

 

When given appropriate talents/stats Anders deals the highest damage a mage can deal, even more than mage Hawke but becoming very squishy. Note that I'm talking about damage here not utility, none of mage Hawke's specs contribute much to damage but they give limitless utilities such as crowd control which Anders lacks.

 

Anyway when Vengeance is active and Anders has friendship bonus, he deals around 40% more damage with everything including normal attacks. Thanks to his high damage he can kill enemies much faster. The talent "blood of my enemy" causes Anders to be healed when he kills someone depending on ranks, elites usually heal him fully. Thanks to this talent he can sacrifice his health to use martyr talent frequently causing him to cass spells 3x faster than any mage and having infinite mana in process. Anders can cast chain lightning three times while Merril is waiting for cooldown of her first cast. This can be game breaking as Anders can permanently keep the haste buff on the party and heal every 20 seconds instead of 34 seconds.

 

I'd say Aveline, Varric and Anders are very useful

 

Fenris, Merril, Sebsastian, are meh

 

Isabela is useless.

 

I'm purely talking about nightmare difficulty.

[mr_afk]

Just to be pedantic, mage Hawke still has a higher damage potential due to equipment options and a higher attributes.

The ability to equip armour gives Hawke access to a huge amount of damage modifiers and attribute bonuses.

Hawke also has access to bonus attributes from the fade/deal with Torpor (in addition to any tomes picked up along the way).

 

My crit-mage had ~60% critical chance, ~40% critical damage, +76% fire damage, +51% cold and spirit damage and +26% nature and electricity damage from abilities and gear, not including heroic aura.

 

In terms of level 24 stats, this means 100 magic, 33 dex, and 31 cun compared to 90 magic, 13 dex, and 14 cun.

Alternatively, this is 91 base damage, 75% critical chance, 89% critical damage, compared to 86 base damage, 13% critical chance, 54% critical damage. 

Needless to say, Hawke deals considerably more damage even before factoring in Hawke's greater elemental damage modifiers.

 

So while I won't deny that Anders will have faster cooldowns (and that the stats listed have Hawke using the better equipment), a min-maxed mage hawke has access to a lot more damage even compared to Ander's +30% damage from his personal tree. 

 

 

The only other thing worth noting is that while Merrill doesn't match up to Hawke or Anders in terms of damage, she is still useful for dropping aoes on clustered enemies, and is less affected by friendly-fire than Aveline.

 

So imo, in order of usefulness we have: Anders, Bethany, Merrill, Varric, Aveline, Isabela, Sebastian, Fenris.. and as always, Carver is useless.

 

 

That aside, I agree with everything you said haha