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I'm reposting some of this this from another thread because that thread (and this topic wasn't quite what the thread was about in the first place) got derailed and I still think many people don't understand the situation.

Just so you guys know, /v/ isn't raiding Metacritic.

The problem with this being a raid is that:

1. /v/ is lazy. /v/ doesn't even play video games because they are so lazy.
2.
You have to create a new account and create a review that is both
unique and over a word limit. If a raid used a script you'd be able to
tell in all the generic reviews. Granted, the really low scores all
complain about the same topics but they all do it in their own way. They
get very creative telling Bioware off. A raid wouldn't have so many
unique reviews.
3. Again, /v/ is lazy. They might make one troll
account, write a review and call it a day. No where near enough to
influence the sheer amount of negative reviews.
4. Lets say that even
half of them are trolls (they aren't, again, look at the account info).
Even so, that still leavs a huge number of dissatified people on 3
different consoles writing reviews for DA2.
5./v/ has no organization. /v/ is not /b/.
6.If it indeed was a raid then the amount of negative reviews would be in the thousands

It can't be a
raid. It just doesn't make any logical sense. Its fear mongering and
scapegoating. Bioware is using 4chan as an excuse because of how little
people from the outside understand how it works.

Look at the metacritic scores. Maybe 20 of
them are from troll accounts. If there was a raid that number would be
in the hundreds. There would be 10 times the amount of reviews then there
already is. The vast majority of the negative reviews are from legit
accounts. Accounts with more than one review to their name and more than
one month since activation. A raid would only be possible by creating hundreds of new troll accounts and creating hundreds of unique reviews. Click expand, click on the user's name,
don't assume that bad review=4chan.

And look at the critic
reviews themselves. They talk about how dissapointing the game is, how
bad the camera is, how repetative the dungeon design. And yet somehow,
with all those negative points they slap an 8.0 or a 10/10 on it. Does
that make sense to you? Do you people read the reviews or do you just
look at the score and feel vindicated that the score was high enough to
allign with your own personal feelings? The reviews are contradictory
and don't make sense. Look at IGN's review. They point out many of the
games shortcomings and yet it doesn't have any impact on the end score.

Now,
I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist but look at the
European reviews. German magazines are tearing it apart. Jeuxvideo gave
DA2 a 6/10 and gave it scathing remarks like calling it an attack on PC
gaming. How can two countries have such widely different opinions? No,
not even opinions, scores, since the Western reviews bring up the same
complaints in the body of their reviews. Read for gods sakes. Don't rely
on a number (or an icon) to tell you what to think.

Alternatively, don't assume that a good review=valid either: look at the most positive DA2 reviews by date. The 10/10 reviews
came out before the negative ones and don't use any kind of
constructive critique, any specifics, any hint of knowledge of actually
playing the game. They are as fake and shallow as the scores that gave DA2
a 0/10. They have no indepth analysis, no analysis of the game at all. Just "We love Bioware, this is 10/10. Trust me."

4chan isn't behind any raid on metacritic. Its just a
scapegoat. Read some of the reviews. I don't mean the 0/10s, I mean the
2/10s, the 3/10s, the 5/10s. Either they show genuine hurt from the
betrayal of DA2 and let their emotions guide them or they have very
specific and constructive complaints with the game. Eitherway, neither
should be present in a game that deserves a 10/10 or an 8/10.

Look at the Gameinformer. The userbase there isn't touched by 4chan, AT ALL. And yet you see that the user reviews there are giving the game 5/10 on average. How do you explain that? Do you think 4chan raided them as well? Or is it possible that there really are disgruntled fans. Read Amazon's user score. 3.0 as well. And almost none of them are new troll accounts.

David Gaider has said that 4chan raided metacritic. Hell, some people even posted here and said they were behind the raid. But think. The logistics of a raid on metacritic make that nearly impossible. Read the reviews. There is an expand button for a reason. Not all of them give DA2 a low score with no purpose. Click on the users. You'll see that most of the accounts aren't from trolls. Don't buy the conspiracy. Don't buy the scapegoat.

Modifié par Getterray, 10 mars 2011 - 11:56 .


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Yeah yeah, and you registered on the 9th just to reveal the terrible truth about that conspiracy. Good story, very enjoyable.

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Despite the fact I have no interest in this whole metacritic business, the op does make a very valid point. Just don't expect people to agree with you, BDF is just around the corn...er, nevermind looks like they're already here.

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I put it down to angry PC users.

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D00m580 wrote...

Yeah yeah, and you registered on the 9th just to reveal the terrible truth about that conspiracy. Good story, very enjoyable.


My message is to think for yourself. Read my post, please. I'm not here to argue the worth of Dragon Age 2. I'm here to open some people's eyes. Bioware is trying to trick you. David Gaider is trying to trick you.

Please, please, please. Check out the accounts from Metacritic. You'll see that most of them aren't new accounts. Look at other websites like Gameinformer and Amazon.com and you'll see that the user reviews there give DA2 a low score as well. All the evidence points to this all being from disgruntled fans, not an organized 4chan raid.

And for the record, just because this account is new doesn't mean that my opinion is invalid. I hate having to "prove" myself as a non-troll but I suppose I have to. I loved DA:O. I liked Mass Effect. I just never felt the need to register on Bioware's official forums before. Hell, I don't even hang out on /v/ that much. It pains me to see how quick people are to dismiss someone without even reading the content of the post.

Modifié par Getterray, 10 mars 2011 - 12:08 .


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D00m580 wrote...

Yeah yeah, and you registered on the 9th just to reveal the terrible truth about that conspiracy. Good story, very enjoyable.


I've been here longer. Would you believe me if I said the whole 4chan raid theory was made up here and just stuck?

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KnifeForkAndSpoon wrote...

D00m580 wrote...

Yeah yeah, and you registered on the 9th just to reveal the terrible truth about that conspiracy. Good story, very enjoyable.


I've been here longer. Would you believe me if I said the whole 4chan raid theory was made up here and just stuck?


No let me say it Ive got 2 days on you.

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BobSmith101 wrote...

I put it down to angry PC users.


this

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It's much easier to reason raid than trying to accept the obvious truth that majority of people outside Bioware forum are not that minority loud vocal. This people might not even follow up the development which explain why the ranting are nothing new to us here.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 10 mars 2011 - 12:10 .


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/v/ and /b/ (they're the same, really) aren't lazy. If they want to troll, they troll.

And Germany and France ain't Europe. Gamereactor gave DA2 9/10. Are they bought off?

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woooooooor wrote...

No let me say it Ive got 2 days on you.


You've got me there B)

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Err... why should I care about this "issue"? I'm enjoying the game so far, with a few complaints on different issues. What is Bioware trying to trick me into? Thinking other people are enjoying the game too, or something?

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woooooooor wrote...

KnifeForkAndSpoon wrote...

D00m580 wrote...

Yeah yeah, and you registered on the 9th just to reveal the terrible truth about that conspiracy. Good story, very enjoyable.


I've been here longer. Would you believe me if I said the whole 4chan raid theory was made up here and just stuck?


No let me say it Ive got 2 days on you.


You honestly believe its a 4chan raid? I made a huge post trying to debunk that theory. Can you provide me an explanation as to why I'm wrong? Can you explain the negative scores from European press, the Amazon and Game Informer users and many other places that isn't Metacritic?

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Something doesn't add up though.

A lot of people say they enjoy the game and the critic reviews add up to 83%.
On almost all games the user reviews and critic reviews stay within the same score.

Alpha protocol the Obsidian SPY RPG that is not all that well received cause of bugs and silly AI
Has 72 Critic score and 7.3 user score (IE 73).

You're telling me that people on average hate the game SOO bad it ends up with a 4.0 in user score over 83 critic score.
Unlikely except for people on purpose voting down the game.
Also all you have to do is create an account and move a slider on Meta critic to lower the score.

Can you honestly tell me the game is THAT bad.
Sure it has no ISO view and it isn't as long as the first one, but honestly.
Atrocious games has gotten higher reviews both with critics and users.
I am not defending Bioware, clearly this wasn't as big of a hit with critics either, but hardly an average of 4.0 for user reviews.

This is anger taking place and a small group of people decide that they want to leave their mark of hate the only way they can.
There is a too large of discrepancy for it to be totally honest.

FFXIV has a critic review score of 49 and user of 3.8, see they are not that far apart.

But DA 2 with 83 vs 4.0 that is way apart.

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Getterray wrote...

woooooooor wrote...

KnifeForkAndSpoon wrote...

D00m580 wrote...

Yeah yeah, and you registered on the 9th just to reveal the terrible truth about that conspiracy. Good story, very enjoyable.


I've been here longer. Would you believe me if I said the whole 4chan raid theory was made up here and just stuck?


No let me say it Ive got 2 days on you.


You honestly believe its a 4chan raid? I made a huge post trying to debunk that theory. Can you provide me an explanation as to why I'm wrong? Can you explain the negative scores from European press, the Amazon and Game Informer users and many other places that isn't Metacritic?


We're mocking the idiot fanboys that try to debunk thought out opinions by something silly like join dates.

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soteria wrote...

Err... why should I care about this "issue"? I'm enjoying the game so far, with a few complaints on different issues. What is Bioware trying to trick me into? Thinking other people are enjoying the game too, or something?


Thats fine. Again, I'm not arguing the worth of DA2 here. What Bioware is trying to trick you on is that all negative reception is the work of trolls. There are people dissatisfied with the game and Bioware can't just scapegoat it by blaming it on 4chan.

This has nothing with you enjoying the game. This is about a company trying to dismiss a large portion of their fanbase's opinion and getting away with it.

@Wooooor

Ah ok. My appologies.

Modifié par Getterray, 10 mars 2011 - 12:13 .


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KnifeForkAndSpoon wrote...

D00m580 wrote...

Yeah yeah, and you registered on the 9th just to reveal the terrible truth about that conspiracy. Good story, very enjoyable.


I've been here longer. Would you believe me if I said the whole 4chan raid theory was made up here and just stuck?


Frankly speaking I wouldn't give a damn even if you had a bioware tag on your profile. That doesn't change the world for me and I see no reason in putting more tought into a foolish debate of whether it's fabricated and the game sucks soooo badly that EA/Bioware had to bribe all the official sources for positive reviews, while the vox populi reveals the game to be a pile of crap.

People who register here just to add something negative about the game are quite worthy of ridicule in my opinion.

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D00m580 wrote...

Frankly speaking I wouldn't give a damn even if you had a bioware tag on your profile. That doesn't change the world for me and I see no reason in putting more tought into a foolish debate of whether it's fabricated and the game sucks soooo badly that EA/Bioware had to bribe all the official sources for positive reviews, while the vox populi reveals the game to be a pile of crap.

People who register here just to add something negative about the game are quite worthy of ridicule in my opinion.


So join date matters if you hold a particular opinion but not otherwise.

Modifié par KnifeForkAndSpoon, 10 mars 2011 - 12:20 .


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finc.loki wrote...

Something doesn't add up though.

A lot of people say they enjoy the game and the critic reviews add up to 83%.
On almost all games the user reviews and critic reviews stay within the same score.

Alpha protocol the Obsidian SPY RPG that is not all that well received cause of bugs and silly AI
Has 72 Critic score and 7.3 user score (IE 73).

You're telling me that people on average hate the game SOO bad it ends up with a 4.0 in user score over 83 critic score.
Unlikely except for people on purpose voting down the game.
Also all you have to do is create an account and move a slider on Meta critic to lower the score.

Can you honestly tell me the game is THAT bad.
Sure it has no ISO view and it isn't as long as the first one, but honestly.
Atrocious games has gotten higher reviews both with critics and users.
I am not defending Bioware, clearly this wasn't as big of a hit with critics either, but hardly an average of 4.0 for user reviews.

This is anger taking place and a small group of people decide that they want to leave their mark of hate the only way they can.
There is a too large of discrepancy for it to be totally honest.

FFXIV has a critic review score of 49 and user of 3.8, see they are not that far apart.

But DA 2 with 83 vs 4.0 that is way apart.


Imho, it all comes down to expectation. For someone that doesn't follow the forums, if he ever played a Obsidian game in their life, they'd know it'll come out as a buggy unfinished mess with brilliant idea and superb writing. On the other hand, the difference between DA:O and DA2 is so obvious that the casual gamer who followed previous Bioware title just might feel that sense of betrayal.

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D00m580 wrote...

KnifeForkAndSpoon wrote...

D00m580 wrote...

Yeah yeah, and you registered on the 9th just to reveal the terrible truth about that conspiracy. Good story, very enjoyable.


I've been here longer. Would you believe me if I said the whole 4chan raid theory was made up here and just stuck?


Frankly speaking I wouldn't give a damn even if you had a bioware tag on your profile. That doesn't change the world for me and I see no reason in putting more tought into a foolish debate of whether it's fabricated and the game sucks soooo badly that EA/Bioware had to bribe all the official sources for positive reviews, while the vox populi reveals the game to be a pile of crap.

People who register here just to add something negative about the game are quite worthy of ridicule in my opinion.


Those people are payed to review video games. If a big name title is released, they are going to give it a decent score regardless of wether you think buyouts are occuring or not. Do you remember the Kayne and Lynch fiasco over at gamespot? If you dont: http://www.wired.com...fired-gamespot/

People are signing up in order to let Bioware know how they feel. Reviews that come from people who enjoy videogames are much more credible then payed journalists.

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D00m580 wrote...

KnifeForkAndSpoon wrote...

D00m580 wrote...

Yeah yeah, and you registered on the 9th just to reveal the terrible truth about that conspiracy. Good story, very enjoyable.


I've been here longer. Would you believe me if I said the whole 4chan raid theory was made up here and just stuck?


Frankly speaking I wouldn't give a damn even if you had a bioware tag on your profile. That doesn't change the world for me and I see no reason in putting more tought into a foolish debate of whether it's fabricated and the game sucks soooo badly that EA/Bioware had to bribe all the official sources for positive reviews, while the vox populi reveals the game to be a pile of crap.

People who register here just to add something negative about the game are quite worthy of ridicule in my opinion.


David Gaider has said that this forum is open to all feedback, negative and positive. This board isn't solely for positive remarks and I have as much a right to be here as anyone else.

I might agree with you had my post actually been about ridiculing the game. Too bad its not. I'm not coming on to this board to praise or bash DA2.

I'm just here to get the notion that David Gaider put out there saying that 4chan was behind all the negative reviews. I'm here to defend all the valid opinions out there that Bioware is trying to sweep under the rug because they may hurt their buisness.

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Regardless of Metacritic users scores, there is no doubt that the game has not been received well. A very large number of people have already rated the game in major gaming sites and it doesn't look good either, e.g. Gamespot (7.0), IGN (6.0) etc. Besides, the Metacritic professional reviews which average (8.3) are by far an all time low in the history of Bioware.

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finc.loki wrote...
But DA 2 with 83 vs 4.0 that is way apart.

WoW: Cataclysm  90 vs 5.6 ( 176 ratings )
Call of Duty: Black Op 81 vs 4.2 ( 575 ratings )

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finc.loki wrote...

Something doesn't add up though.

A lot of people say they enjoy the game and the critic reviews add up to 83%.
On almost all games the user reviews and critic reviews stay within the same score.

Alpha protocol the Obsidian SPY RPG that is not all that well received cause of bugs and silly AI
Has 72 Critic score and 7.3 user score (IE 73).

You're telling me that people on average hate the game SOO bad it ends up with a 4.0 in user score over 83 critic score.
Unlikely except for people on purpose voting down the game.
Also all you have to do is create an account and move a slider on Meta critic to lower the score.

Can you honestly tell me the game is THAT bad.
Sure it has no ISO view and it isn't as long as the first one, but honestly.
Atrocious games has gotten higher reviews both with critics and users.
I am not defending Bioware, clearly this wasn't as big of a hit with critics either, but hardly an average of 4.0 for user reviews.

This is anger taking place and a small group of people decide that they want to leave their mark of hate the only way they can.
There is a too large of discrepancy for it to be totally honest.

FFXIV has a critic review score of 49 and user of 3.8, see they are not that far apart.

But DA 2 with 83 vs 4.0 that is way apart.


I'm not saying that DA2 is worth a 3.0 average. In fact, as I said, you should ignore all the 0/10 reviews.

All the evidence points to it NOT being 4chan. I think a lot of the reviews are too harsh on the game but just because they are negative does not point to it being from some grand conspiracy behind the scenes to bring Bioware down. I think its just a wave of very disgruntled fans. I don't think that there is any organization here at all, just a wave of dissatisfaction from around the world. If it was a small group of people there would be more 1 day old accounts. But there aren't.

Also, read the reviews. Don't just look at the score. Read the top critic scores. Read IGN's review. They talk about all the negatives of the game: the repetative dungeons, the bad camera, the short length, the poor PC conversion. And yet, none of those things factor into the score. You'd think with as many negative points they write about that it wouldn't deserve a 9.0.

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I'm just here to get the notion that David Gaider put out there saying that 4chan was behind all the negative reviews. I'm here to defend all the valid opinions out there that Bioware is trying to sweep under the rug because they may hurt their buisness.


Well if playing a martyr risen agains the evil corporate world makes you happy and boosts your ego, fine by me.

To your credit, I must say that you act more mature and put on some constructive points unlike most of the people who create similar topics.

On a more general note, I'd say that the most reliable source of a review for myself is my own expirience with a game, and I believe that this is true for most people, so arguing about it and making conspiracy theories is kinda useless.

Modifié par D00m580, 10 mars 2011 - 12:29 .