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[Evolution33]

What did I just read someone ask how Germany and France can have such different opinions? I think there was a time when Germany believed France should be part of Germany and the French disagreed.

[Vizkos]

1) If it isn't a raid, why do users post the exact same review, a review containing the exact same terms, and continuously repost it after admins delete it?
- The same sayings, such as "2003 graphics" in every review show that its a raid.
- Users reposting their reviews right after they are deleted.
- Users using screen names that are damn indicative that they only used them on metacritic. One that I remember from last night was RogerEbertJr.

I sat on that page for about 1/2 hour just looking at the negative reviews fluctuating. 110 -> 105 -> 115 -> 108 -> 125 -> 110 -> etc etc. Sorted by date so I could keep track of posters. Of these I noticed one refresh that several user's reviews that I took the time to read to notice the pattern I mentioned above were gone. Next refresh, several of them were back.

Ya...not a raid... This only serves to degredate the userbase, all because some troll boys are upset about minor changes to a game, and don't take the time to make one reasonable review about it. Nope, they have to cry like a little immature 12 year old ***** on a website that is reserved for legitimate reviews, effectively causing needless problems to a completely unrelated website.  Don't spew out crap in a childish way and expect you will actually be listened to, because the only people you please are the minor population in your usergroup, while effectively pissing everyone else off.

Modifié par Prosthetics511, 10 mars 2011 - 01:37 .

[Finiffa]

Getterray wrote...
And Jeuxvideo is huge. Its one of the biggest European gaming websites. They are like Famitsu in Japan.

Considering most of Europe doesnt speak or read French that seems a HUGE exaggeration to me.
I'm European, never heard of Jeuxvideo.

[finc.loki]

Naitaka wrote...

finc.loki wrote...

*snip

I know about the demo, you know about the demo, because we visit gaming news site/forum regularly, I highly doubt the more casually gamers even care enough to try out the demo, especially when people have faith in the quality of Bioware's product. Not to mention all the promises Bioware made just prior to the release. Auto-attack on console, detachable camera for both console and PC, I can see why some people who react so violently to the game if they had no prior exposure to DA2 before they bought the game.

Sure, but see there is the kicker.

Casuals wouldn't care, if you know what I mean, they are the ones that would welcome faster combat right.
The old school players that REALLY care, they DO know about the demo and they are here on the forum etc.

Also a million downloads or more for the demo shows that it was fairly well known, not to mention all the previews from all the magazines.

No one, unless hiding under a rock can say that they had NO clue about the changes, they were and are right there in the open.
A voiced character, set in Kirkwall for most of the game , already know LONG ago.
ISO view gone also known for months and demo confirms it.
Faster action also known and in fact a majority asked for it, and you can still play tactical, the game isn't dumbed down as much as some detractors say, it is just differnt.
Yes the tactical ISO camera is probably the biggest problem some have, and they should have kept it.

I could tell months ago that this game was rushed and not exactly as deep as DA:O, simple conclusion in that the game was only in development for about a year.

I am not saying this game is perfect, it has flaws and some that I find annoying too.
But I can also see the game for what it is and for that it hits the mark.
I can still find value in this game where I can spend 30+ hours compared to short games of today.
I personally enjoy the faster combat, I am not really the pause for every action player and I never liked how utterly slow the combat was in DA:O.

I just think the complaints and atrocious user scores are a little over the top and over-reacting and entitlement thinking.
Words of "betrayal" etc is frankly silly that some use.

[Surematt]

The fact that people actally thought it was a ****ing raid in the first place proves how delusional the hardcore bioware fanboys are.

i am sure some neckbeards raged and gave it a 0, but /v/ did not do this, neither did anyone at 4chan. apart from what OP said, just look at the numbers, a raid would have it in the thousands, not low hundreds. and they would all be 0, not 3/4's.

The hardcore bioware fanboys (not everyone on this forum, just some) cant accept that someone does not enjoy something they do. get over it.

[Coik]

Getterray wrote...

If you read my post you'd see that this isn't about numbers. READ THE REVIEWS. Don't just look at a number.

What I personally found suspcious was, when I looked at least, quite a few of the negative reviews had almost no content, being little more than "THIS SUCKS" or similar and yet would still have an 85% or higher "this review was helpful" rating.  That would suggest at least some organized effort, even if it's not a full on raid.

Of course, thinking back to some Amazon.com reviews I've read as well, that might just be the Internet being the Internet.

[gilgalad80]

The Corporate wrote...

Anyone who thinks /v/ is behind the wofeul metacritic scores DA2 is getting has no concept of either /v/, 'raids', or metacritic itself.

That 3/10 everyone's giving your game, BioWare? That's genuine, honest community feedback. Take it on board.

this ^

[Setsuken]

/v/ is too lazy? More like apathetic, unless trolling or anger is involved. Remember "not organizing" GameSpot popularity polls? No, I'm sure you will have conveniently forgotten. Multiple threads, programs and scripts were written to cast votes to manipulate numbers.

Bioware is popular, and collectively, v is as hipster as it gets. Dragon age 2 was set to be a hit, on the merits of da1. Apparently they deviated too far from the original formula for some peoples liking.

I don't know if v is actually behind this, but I wouldn't put it past them.

[0x30A88]

But still it might be a raid -- it does not have to be from /v/. Or perhaps it's a severe case of bandwagoning among a decently large commuminty all sharing their disapproval towards the game -- perhaps even elitists uniting.

Some reviews are just the same sentence -- or even two words -- copy-pasted so they can hit the limit.

The game was not that bad, but again, there is little between outright love and furious hate on the Internet.

[Jim_uk]

Looking around various gaming forums I've seen an awful lot of negativity towards this game and it's not just coming from PC gamers, if Bioware ignore that then more fool them.

[Coik]

Gisle Aune wrote...

The game was not that bad, but again, there is little between outright love and furious hate on the Internet.

Sometimes I wonder if there's much difference between the two.

"You can tell I'm the biggest fan because I hate it the most."

[Vandrayke]

The truth about metacritic scores is that <500 people reviewed it. There could very easily be <500 people who simply hate the game without there being a conspiracy. Think about the DA:O audience size. Think about how passionate some fans are. Think about how passionate fans react when they're extremely disappointed.

People who "pretty much like the game" are playing it and don't care enough to review it yet.

[KnifeForkAndSpoon]

Setsuken wrote...

/v/ is too lazy? More like apathetic, unless trolling or anger is involved. Remember "not organizing" GameSpot popularity polls? No, I'm sure you will have conveniently forgotten. Multiple threads, programs and scripts were written to cast votes to manipulate numbers.

Bioware is popular, and collectively, v is as hipster as it gets. Dragon age 2 was set to be a hit, on the merits of da1. Apparently they deviated too far from the original formula for some peoples liking.

I don't know if v is actually behind this, but I wouldn't put it past them.

But the GameSpot popularity poll manipulation was /v/'s doing. They admitted to that from the start and there were multiple threads about it on 4chan every day.

One or two are coming here to troll since they heard you were blaming them but there's been no raid.

[zebrastealer]

You know what, I gave it a 0 on MetaCritic - because this game was made by Bioware and not some other studio. If this were another studio and it wasn't the sequel to another game, and expectations were set for it to be an Fantasy Action game and not a traditional RPG - then it would be rank a 6.5, maybe a 7.

But guess what? It is a Bioware title - I expected more, a lot more from them. It is supposed to be the sequel to a great game (DA:O), which was a traditional RPG and not some new property. Sad but true and that is why this game is rightfully getting hammered by many of the Bioware fans.

Modifié par zebrastealer, 10 mars 2011 - 02:31 .

[zorp]

Well it looks like a raid.

Metacritic DAO: 8.3 (1099 ratings) DA2: 3.0 (457 ratings)

Gamespot DAO: 9.0 (12581 ratings) DA2: 7.1 (926 ratings)

Or the Gamespot members got a better version of DA2...............

Modifié par zorp, 10 mars 2011 - 02:26 .

[Vandrayke]

zorp wrote...

Well it looks like a raid.

Metacritic DAO: 8.3 (1099 ratings) DA2: 3.0 (457 ratings)

Gamespot DAO: 9.0 (12581 ratings) DA2: 7.1 (926 ratings)

Or the Gamespot members got a better version of DA2...............

lol yeah that looks pretty sketch

[BomimoDK]

FFXIV has a critic review score of 49 and user of 3.8, see they are not that far apart.

But DA 2 with 83 vs 4.0 that is way apart.

I don't see the difference other than you comparing a trainwreck to a derailing. FF14 was in an utterly broken state when released and it was hardly immersive or in any state to be released. that merits 3.8. If people feel that DA2 is a subpar product, it gets a subpar rating. The reason it has 85 average from critics is because they rarely use any part of the scale below 70 at all while Players haven't forgotten what a 1-10 or 1-100 scale is and how to use it. It all adds up IMO. Still looking forward to trying this game, i think it's gonna be fine.

[coolide]

Does 4chan have nothing better do to? Those losers really need to get a job, move out of their mother's basement, and get laid.

[Vandrayke]

coolide wrote...

Does 4chan have nothing better do to? Those losers really need to get a job, move out of their mother's basement, and get laid.

I think 4chan simply exists because of people who have nothing better to do

[LifeBlood]

Enjoyable tale, Brother.

[Gvaz]

You honestly care about metacritic scores?

You know they wouldn't do this if people didn't take reviews so seriously right?

[KnifeForkAndSpoon]

coolide wrote...

Does 4chan have nothing better do to? Those losers really need to get a job, move out of their mother's basement, and get laid.

What does 4chan have to do with anything?

[Slayer299]

It seems that a large majority of people here are willing to chalk up all or most negative user reviews of DA2 to trolling, raiding by "elitists", /v/, or some other weird conspiracy group out to make DA2 and BW look bad.

Is it so beyond the realm of possibility that there are large numbers of people who are actually dissatisfied/angry/disappointed with how DA2 turned out?

Seriously, obviously people did like DA2, but to actively dismiss any and all negative comments of the game, whether they are constructive or not, as raiding, trolling or whatever is just sad fanboyism.

[Zeppeli]

Vandrayke wrote...

The truth about metacritic scores is that <500 people reviewed it. There could very easily be <500 people who simply hate the game without there being a conspiracy. Think about the DA:O audience size. Think about how passionate some fans are. Think about how passionate fans react when they're extremely disappointed.

People who "pretty much like the game" are playing it and don't care enough to review it yet.

And what are the positive reviews of other games on metacritics?? See Batman Arkham Asylum, it get 9 on Metacritic user score... See the fail of Civiliaztion V, the worst Civ ever, it got 7... point out The Witcher... The users gave to this game 9.5 so???

Does your idea work only on bad scores????

Modifié par Zeppeli, 10 mars 2011 - 02:58 .