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[DragonIroh001]

Just want to get fellow ME fans views.

Now with all the negative fan backlash with regards to Dragon Age 2 and how it was far from everyone's expectations.
Has this given anyone here the seeds of doubt into anyone's mind in regards to ME3's final product?

In my case It hasn't really changed a thing for me since I haven't played DA:O or DA2.

[CannotCompute]

Just about the development cycle. Don't want the game to be rushed.

[MassEffect762]

ME2 and Awakening were the initial seeds of doubt for me.

Have not yet played DA2 but from what I'm hearing Bioware is losing it.

[Rune-Chan]

No. The same way that the hate for Mass Effect 2 hasn't either, and it would make a lot more sense if Mass Effect 2's reception was paid more attention to considering that the teams for Dragon Age and Mass Effect are different...

[Angmir]

Neighter for me - ME series got their revolution in ME2 when they changed most of the machanics and for good mostly. I cant see ME3 beeing vastly difrent from what we have in ME2. And I like it this way, of coruse we still know nothing about it.

And I wouldnt dispair too much about DA2 failing fans expectations, as aparently there is whole difrent team working on DA, and ME series. Brief look on the DLC avaliable for both series would give you the answer whitch team is better, and respects theirs fans greatly.

So far ME BIOWARE Team was awesome in standind up to fans expectations, putting a great deal of effort on listening to their comunity, liike with LotSB DLC which stood up to all my wildest expectations - with all the fun content references, character dialogs, gameplay, and emotions included (blasto Advertisment, Liara asking about giving Miss vas Normandy a homeworld, and many more !!)

So I am not conserned a bit, I belive in BIOWARE MASS EFFECT TEAM - they love this game no less than we do.

[Slayer299]

Yes. DA: Awakening, DA2 and to a much lesser extent, ME2, I've had serious concerns about the direction and level of work being put into BW's latest works. Lately it seems games have been shipped out not as finished words but as either; a) games that were not given the development time to adequately develop a BW quality game or as was stated by BW to attract the CoD crowd link

So I want to want ME3, but I'm going to have concerns until the dev's can allay them or they'll not get a Day 1 purchase from me.

[Soahfreako]

Solution to everyone's problems: Don't expect the games going to be the greatest thing ever. Simple as that, be excited to play it because it's more mass effect lore. You don't get your hopes up, you don't get disappointed. If only more than 5% of these forums realized this...

[Slayer299]

Is it that unreasonable to expect the sequel to equal or possibly exceed what was done? Because otherwise that's just a pretty sad way to go around in life.

[TheZanSnake]

Played the DA2 demo and thought it wasn't bad, but then again i haven't played DA:O.

In terms of my expectations and doubt, i have no problems in terms that i believe anything BioWare can do will meet the expectations since they aren't that high really.

[candidate88766]

Bioware doesn't literally want the CoD crowd, they want the same number of people being Bioware fans - i.e. the same colossal level of success. I wish Bioware all the best with this - I think gaming would be much better if millions played games like ME1 and ME2 as opposed to playing Call of Duty as then maybe companies would be more willing to produce longer and higher-quality games, and be prepared to fiddle about with the standard formula - like Bioware did with ME2.

Just to clarify, the article posted doesn't mean Bioware is trying to attract the shooter crowd, they simply want the same level of success as games like CoD have - and frankly every games company wants this. Also note that while I do actually enjoy CoD occasionaly, I think that their quality is decreasing hugely. 

Modifié par candidate88766, 10 mars 2011 - 01:57 .

[Soahfreako]

Slayer299 wrote...

Is it that unreasonable to expect the sequel to equal or possibly exceed what was done? Because otherwise that's just a pretty sad way to go around in life.

It ok to think "oh hey I hope ME3 will be better in the way of story" or something like that but when 95% of the people in these forums keeps posting topics where they're clearly wanting ME3 to be game of the century and starting flame wars over ridiculous things like "OMG I don't like femshep so she shouldn't be in the game." It gets annoying, repetative, and idiotic.

[Whatever42]

Slayer299 wrote...

Is it that unreasonable to expect the sequel to equal or possibly exceed what was done? Because otherwise that's just a pretty sad way to go around in life.

Was Vista a better sequel?
Was Return of the Jedi a better sequel?
Was Godfather 3 a better sequel?
Was Aliens a better sequel (I think so but many do not)?
Was Alien 3 a better sequel?
Was Jaws 2 a better sequel?
Was Season 2 BSG a better season than season 1?

DA2 was a different story with different characters built with different technology. Most people didn't mind the mechanics changes but really dumped on the reused environments and more linear story. But this isn't the first time that Bioware has reused environments (ME1). And they tried some new things with the story, which writers often do, that wasn't so great. It happens.

ME is a different team who is not overhauling the series again or restarting the story so I have no worries.

[Soahfreako]

^ This is the mindset everyone should have. "I believe that the team will make an awesome game regardless of their choices, because I am a Bioware fan."

[Asstronaut]

kind of unrelated but how do you get the animated avatar

[Severyx]

Bunch of whiners. This is why the Bioware forums are slipping downhill - a retarded vocal minority. Every person I personally know absolutely loves DA2 so far (even the rabid hardcore DA:O players), and I have no doubts about ME3. The ME team knows a lot is riding on this, and as long as people don't sit there and wish for impossible or stupidly out-of-context things, everything will be fine.

[II J0SePh X II]

Aah, if only we could bottle the crocodile tears of Bioware's unpleasable fanbase, we could create a vintage whine.

[Vyse_Fina]

Soahfreako wrote...

^ This is the mindset everyone should have. "I believe that the team will make an awesome game regardless of their choices, because I am a Bioware fan."

Ok great, then let's only get the original of anything and dismiss whatever comes after it? I don't quite get your point to be honest. Sequels should not be compared to the original title? Sequels should be accepted without questioning them?
Seriously, what are you trying to tell us?

[Severyx]

Vyse_Fina wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

^ This is the mindset everyone should have. "I believe that the team will make an awesome game regardless of their choices, because I am a Bioware fan."

Ok great, then let's only get the original of anything and dismiss whatever comes after it? I don't quite get your point to be honest. Sequels should not be compared to the original title? Sequels should be accepted without questioning them?
Seriously, what are you trying to tell us?

I think he's trying to say that instead of complaining about every little detail that bugs them, players should learn to enjoy a game before they make opinionated and subjective threads based entirely upon what they think should have been. It's a rampant disease on the Bioware forums, particularly because every player has their own idea about how things should have happened.

And I do in fact believe that a lot more people enjoy the game as is than what is seen. It's a vocal minority, and often the same people over and over (has anyone seen Graybox_Inception lately?).

[gadna13]

Vyse_Fina wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

^ This is the mindset everyone should have. "I believe that the team will make an awesome game regardless of their choices, because I am a Bioware fan."

Ok great, then let's only get the original of anything and dismiss whatever comes after it? I don't quite get your point to be honest. Sequels should not be compared to the original title? Sequels should be accepted without questioning them?
Seriously, what are you trying to tell us?

He's saying wait for the game to come out before declaring "It's awesome!" or "This sucks!". If you liked the first game, wait to play the second game before starting to pass judgement on it. If you play the game expecting it to be to good, it will never reach your expectations. Expect it to be bad, you'll find every error.

[M-Sinistrari]

While I've not bought DA2, I've watched my fiance play his and I'm really not worried at all for ME3. They've already done the bulk of the mechanics work already with just the changes from ME1 to 2 so they're able to devote more towards story and such. I just wish Bioware would toss us a few crumbs of info on either the new DLC or ME3 just so we're not falling into wild speculation frenzies that end up baseless.

[Whatever42]

Vyse_Fina wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

^ This is the mindset everyone should have. "I believe that the team will make an awesome game regardless of their choices, because I am a Bioware fan."

Ok great, then let's only get the original of anything and dismiss whatever comes after it? I don't quite get your point to be honest. Sequels should not be compared to the original title? Sequels should be accepted without questioning them?
Seriously, what are you trying to tell us?

Sure sequels will be compared to original titles. Aliens was compared to Alien. Jedi was compared to Empire and Star Wars.

But new things do happen in sequels. They have different stories. They have different characters. Sometimes they have completely different approaches. Sometimes it doesn't always work as beautifully as you imagined.

Personally I think Aliens is a better movie than Alien but many Alien fans even refuse to acknowledge Aliens.So even when you hit (Aliens is critically acclaimed and had a great BO), some people will still hate what you've done. I think Alien/Aliens is a good analogy for ME.

But sometimes you do miss completely. Godfather 3 was a good movie but almost no one will argue that it was as good as Godfather 2. And, yes, its disappointing. But it happens and you have to recognize that it happens and not rant like they stabbed you or yell that the sky is falling and the company will fall into the sea.

[SSV Enterprise]

*sigh* How many threads like this are going to be made? I'll answer them all the same:

No, I do not doubt BioWare to make Mass Effect 3 a good game. It's handled by a different team with different goals. In any case, much of the criticism of DAII is that it's too much like Mass Effect. Well, since I already love Mass Effect, that's not really a problem for me.

[Slayer299]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...
Was Vista a better sequel?

It was supposed to be after MS supposedly listened to feedback and improved upon XP's features, which obviously they did not when they put out the half baked garbage that was Vista as it was originally shipped. 

Was Return of the Jedi a better sequel?

I thought it was.

Was Godfather 3 a better sequel?

Never saw it so I can't really say.

Was Aliens a better sequel (I think so but many do not)?

I liked both equally, different genre's; one being horror and the other being action, however both Cameron and Scott pulled them off with equal skill and success for each. So not really comparable there.

Was Alien 3 a better sequel?

Unfortunately not. It tried going back to its horror roots, but it did wrap the series up nicely I thought

Was Jaws 2 a better sequel?
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Can't comment. Never saw it.

Was Season 2 BSG a better season than season 1?

Again, can't say. See above

DA2 was a different story with different characters built with different technology. Most people didn't mind the mechanics changes but really dumped on the reused environments and more linear story. But this isn't the first time that Bioware has reused environments (ME1). And they tried some new things with the story, which writers often do, that wasn't so great. It happens.

ME is a different team who is not overhauling the series again or restarting the story so I have no worries.

It doesn't mean I cannot have concerns when I see three mediocre titles come out from the same studio that is putting out ME3 nor not want a better experience than ME2, so I fail to see your point.

edit fixed annoying formatting

Modifié par Slayer299, 10 mars 2011 - 03:40 .

[The_Illusive]

Pay attention to why DA fan are angry. DA II is very different then DA:O

Modifié par The_Illusive, 10 mars 2011 - 03:35 .

[Slayer299]

Soahfreako wrote...
It ok to think "oh hey I hope ME3 will be better in the way of story" or something like that but when 95% of the people in these forums keeps posting topics where they're clearly wanting ME3 to be game of the century and starting flame wars over ridiculous things like "OMG I don't like femshep so she shouldn't be in the game." It gets annoying, repetative, and idiotic.

I agree about such ridiculous threads such as the one you mention or even the GOTC threads for ME3 or the gaggle or other unreasonable and pointless threads by individuals we will not mention *cough* Greybox_Inception *cough*. But right here we're discussing if there are concerns for ME2 after the backlash of negative reviews for DA2, even with there being seperate development teams. Which I feel is a legitamate issue.