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[Almostfaceman]

"You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.

[Mynoot]

Soahfreako wrote...

^ This is the mindset everyone should have. "I believe that the team will make an awesome game regardless of their choices, because I am a Bioware fan."

That's the mindset of a fanboy and tool.

Sorry, I'll keep my skepticism.  In a world of reuse, few sequels equal the original, much less surpass it.

[The Spamming Troll]

GHOST OF FRUITY wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

GHOST OF FRUITY wrote...

I'm not worried no. After playing Lair of the Shadow Broker, I think Biowares best work in terms of the Mass Effect games is still to come. Shadow Broker was one of, if not the strongest story based mission in ME2. If Bioware can continue to raise the bar just through DLC, then I see no reason why ME3 can't top ME2. And in the end, why worry? It's not going to change a thing. ME3 will play out as Bioware wish, and i'm sure when the game is out it'll have it's fans and it's detractors - just as the first two games did, just as Dragon Age Origins did, and just as Dragon Age 2 has now.

i dont get this. so 2 good hours of a mediocre 30 hour game is a good thing? why wasnt ME2 originally as "good" as the LOTSB DLC? why did i have to pay 15 bucks to finally get a storyline in a game?

Severyx wrote...

Bunch of whiners. This is why the
Bioware forums are slipping downhill - a retarded vocal minority. Every
person I personally know absolutely loves DA2 so far (even the rabid
hardcore DA:O players), and I have no doubts about ME3. The ME team
knows a lot is riding on this, and as long as people don't sit there
and wish for impossible or stupidly out-of-context things, everything
will be fine.

minority? you do realize most of the comments in here are on the side of ME2 being a crappy sequal right? i would say your in the minority really.

I don't really care if you 'get it' or not.  See when I typed down my opinion, it was just that - my opinion.  Not the right opinion, not the wrong opinion, not the opinion of the forum - just mine.  

id say its the wrong one, which is why im asking. ive seen this LoTSB thing pointed out by quite a few people. again how does paying for extra DLC of 2 hours of a 30 hour game represent a great direction bioware is taking for ME3, especially when those other 30 hours are quite meaningless?

[Siansonea]

I'm actually not disliking DA2, but I'm not a DAO fangirl, so maybe that has something to do with it. And I agree that the development teams of the two games are so disparate that inferring anything about one based on opinions of the other is nonsensical. I'll still order ME3, unless they announce that it's going to be a first-person shooter in which all you do is kill varren in a room the size of Anderson's office.

[creature from the black bethesda]

Well, I mean they've already got all the game mechanics and such down. Hopefully they'll just make it more of an RPG (more weapons, weapon customization, different types of armor ala ME1, basically just more like ME1) with my choices being very meaningful (doubt it though). I'm expecting basically ME2 with new characters/story/other stuff so I won't be disappointed anyway.

[Almostfaceman]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

id say its the wrong one, which is why im asking. ive seen this LoTSB thing pointed out by quite a few people. again how does paying for extra DLC of 2 hours of a 30 hour game represent a great direction bioware is taking for ME3, especially when those other 30 hours are quite meaningless?

Well obviously the people who are saying that about LoTSB don't in general consider the other 30 hours "meaningless".  So the point will be lost on you.  Do you expect them to change your mind if you don't agree with them in the first place?

[2kgnsiika]

ME 2: Metascore 96
Fans: "OMG BioWare ruined Mass Effect and EA paid off the critics!"

DA 2: Metascore 84
Fans: "OMG BioWare ruined Dragon Age and the critics hate it!"

[Bourne Endeavor]

I have had reservations ever since BioWare's refusal to deny the multiplayer rumors. The storyline is another cause for concern, alongside what is to become of our faithful followers. The recent abysmal comic series which has served to pollute the franchise has certainly done little to ease the apprehension. The only immediate blight I see from DA2 is the recurring decision to sacrifice a main plot, otherwise the games are not comparable. DA2 is a sequel in the sense each numerical installment of Final Fantasy is a sequel; in name only. Mass Effect can differ in this regard, despite the wanton disregard for continuation in certain aspects. It is up to the team if ME2 is an expansion game or a sequel.

[The Spamming Troll]

Almostfaceman wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

id say its the wrong one, which is why im asking. ive seen this LoTSB thing pointed out by quite a few people. again how does paying for extra DLC of 2 hours of a 30 hour game represent a great direction bioware is taking for ME3, especially when those other 30 hours are quite meaningless?

Well obviously the people who are saying that about LoTSB don't in general consider the other 30 hours "meaningless".  So the point will be lost on you.  Do you expect them to change your mind if you don't agree with them in the first place?

one would think ME2 alone would be enough to warrant somone anticipating ME3, not just specifying the most recent DLC thats been out. but excelent point anyways.

[ArmedChimp]

DragonIroh001 wrote...

Just want to get fellow ME fans views.

Now with all the negative fan backlash with regards to Dragon Age 2 and how it was far from everyone's expectations.
Has this given anyone here the seeds of doubt into anyone's mind in regards to ME3's final product?

In my case It hasn't really changed a thing for me since I haven't played DA:O or DA2.

I've played Dragon Age 2 and both Origins and awakenings. Frankly all it has done for me is increase my confidence that ME 3 will be even a better game then ME 2.

[William Adama]

Slayer299 wrote...

Was Season 2 BSG a better season than season 1?

Yup. Season 2 had Pegasus, Resurrection Ship and New Caprica. It had the best spacebattle fight scene of the series and biggest season finale twist until that point.

Man do I miss that show...

Modifié par William Adama, 11 mars 2011 - 02:08 .

[Pwener2313]

DA sucks all around, so ME3 is uneffected.

/thread

[Viper 029]

I would disagree with some of the claims made in this thread. I agree that in several ways Mass Effect 2 was not as enjoyable as Mass Effect 1 despite its many improvements. What disappointed me about Mass Effect 2 was the story, or lack thereof. But we knew for a while that Mass Effect 2 was to focus on the characters, that they were the story. (Probably not the best idea, no offense Bioware).
EDIT:  That is not to say that I did not enjoy Mass Effect 2, the combat was great, as were the characters and environments, but I missed having all the different side missions available to me in Mass Effect 1.  Had Mass Effect 2 focused more-so on a story in which we tried to stop the Reapers or halt their progress I would've thought it to be a perfect game.  I more than enjoyed both Overlord and Lair of the Shadow Broker because they were amazingly well written.

HOWEVER, I am enjoying Dragon Age 2 so far, and I did not like Dragon Age: Origins as much, nor did I ever play Awakening. I have not gotten too far in Dragon Age 2, but think it is a great game that improved upon the universe created in Origins. I'm enjoying the (spoiler) story of the Templars versus the Mages (or at least that's how the story seems to be going so far, still in Act 1).

It's also important to remember that Dragon Age and Mass Effect are made by different divisions in Bioware. What the Dragon Age team does has little to do with what the Mass Effect team is up to in terms of their game.

Modifié par Viper 029, 11 mars 2011 - 03:05 .

[Gatt9]

DragonIroh001 wrote...

Just want to get fellow ME fans views.

Now with all the negative fan backlash with regards to Dragon Age 2 and how it was far from everyone's expectations.
Has this given anyone here the seeds of doubt into anyone's mind in regards to ME3's final product?

In my case It hasn't really changed a thing for me since I haven't played DA:O or DA2.

I already had seeds of doubt,  as well as sprouts,  and a few saplings.

DA2 has pretty much cemented my expectations,  ME3 will be very similiar in quality,  as it's had a very short development cycle.

DA2 also confirms my belief that Bioware,  for whatever reason (I blame suits),  is only concerned with selling as many copies as possible through whatever means.  I fully expect the game to be berefet of any RPG qualities,  just a Shooter with dialogue. 

I won't be preordering it,  like DA2 I'll wait for the reviews and the forum impressions to decide,  because I'm really not expecting much.  Coincidently,  the reviews and forums convinced me to save $60 by passing on DA2.

[Manic Sheep]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

GHOST OF FRUITY wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

GHOST OF FRUITY wrote...

I'm not worried no. After playing Lair of the Shadow Broker, I think Biowares best work in terms of the Mass Effect games is still to come. Shadow Broker was one of, if not the strongest story based mission in ME2. If Bioware can continue to raise the bar just through DLC, then I see no reason why ME3 can't top ME2. And in the end, why worry? It's not going to change a thing. ME3 will play out as Bioware wish, and i'm sure when the game is out it'll have it's fans and it's detractors - just as the first two games did, just as Dragon Age Origins did, and just as Dragon Age 2 has now.

i dont get this. so 2 good hours of a mediocre 30 hour game is a good thing? why wasnt ME2 originally as "good" as the LOTSB DLC? why did i have to pay 15 bucks to finally get a storyline in a game?

Severyx wrote...

Bunch of whiners. This is why the
Bioware forums are slipping downhill - a retarded vocal minority. Every
person I personally know absolutely loves DA2 so far (even the rabid
hardcore DA:O players), and I have no doubts about ME3. The ME team
knows a lot is riding on this, and as long as people don't sit there
and wish for impossible or stupidly out-of-context things, everything
will be fine.

minority? you do realize most of the comments in here are on the side of ME2 being a crappy sequal right? i would say your in the minority really.

I don't really care if you 'get it' or not.  See when I typed down my opinion, it was just that - my opinion.  Not the right opinion, not the wrong opinion, not the opinion of the forum - just mine.  

id say its the wrong one, which is why im asking. ive seen this LoTSB thing pointed out by quite a few people. again how does paying for extra DLC of 2 hours of a 30 hour game represent a great direction bioware is taking for ME3, especially when those other 30 hours are quite meaningless?

Well bioware has been using the DLC as testing ground (Hammer Head) and it is there most recently made addon baring small things like the AP pack
So I can see how someone might take the DLC as indication of the direction they are going for in ME3

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 11 mars 2011 - 03:55 .

[Jigero]

Not worried really DA has sucked from beginning it just happened to get worse with a sequel. Ontop of that DA has a different team then ME. DA2 had almost zero improvements if anything it went backwards. At-least ME2 had improvements in alot of areas. Also I have yet to see one legitimate argument why ME2 was bad. All of the are either "hurr durr not an RPG!" ,"bawwwww no Mako!", "too much shootan!"

[Pwener2313]

Jigero wrote...

All of the are either "hurr durr not an RPG!" ,"bawwwww no Mako!", "too much shootan!"

[InvincibleHero]

The only problem I would have is if they make the OC very short and rely on DLC to pad it out. I think it will at least be the quality of ME2 with some better graphics and maybe some new squaddies and new weapons and powers to play with.

I do want some very distinct ending possibilities. I hope it doesn't end the same for paragon and renegades unless you choose to do so.

Modifié par InvincibleHero, 11 mars 2011 - 05:27 .

[MrFob]

I don't know, doubts? Not really, I guess.
I was not a great fan of the DA:O gameplay but I loved the art style, character, storytelling and dialogue. From what i can judge after the very little, I have see/ played of DA2, the gameplay is still not great for me (If anything the fun exploration side of it got worse/less). I truly and utterly despise what they have done to the art style, that is just atrocious! I can't really say anything about story and characters but from what I hear they are actually pretty good.
What does that mean for ME3: Gameplay is very different and I liked the way it developed from ME1 to ME2 (apart from some minor detail, like Inventory and some "RPG elements"). THe combat (and that is 80% of the gameplay in ME) was really great in ME2 though, so not many doubts there.
The art style changed a little from the sleek, clean ME1 to the darker dirtier ME2. I hope they go a bit back to the first one but I don't think they'll change it by a great deal (The day they go all comic on ME, I'll kill myself). So, not a lot of doubt there
Characters and Storytelling are generally very good in BW games so I am sure they'll pull something good in that (probably most important) area. Since DA2 seems to do fine, that's not inducing doubt. On the other hand, ME2 was a definite step down from ME1 so I really hope they improve it within the series.
All in all, DA2, while IMO not a good development for the DA franchise does not have much impact on my perception of the future of ME (they are two completely different teams AFAIK). The only thing might be that it seems BW now tries to completely reepoot the franchises with the sequels. However, I hope that ME already experienced it's reboot by the beginning of ME2 and now can go on to build up a bit more consistency and - as the final part of the trilogy - comes with a really good and less forced main plot and without any of these ME2 moments where the player feels like completely losing control over Sheps reaction to a situation.

[2kgnsiika]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Jigero wrote...

All of the are either "hurr durr not an RPG!" ,"bawwwww no Mako!", "too much shootan!"

So true!

[Soahfreako]

Vyse_Fina wrote...

Soahfreako wrote...

^ This is the mindset everyone should have. "I believe that the team will make an awesome game regardless of their choices, because I am a Bioware fan."

Ok great, then let's only get the original of anything and dismiss whatever comes after it? I don't quite get your point to be honest. Sequels should not be compared to the original title? Sequels should be accepted without questioning them?
Seriously, what are you trying to tell us?

I'm going to assume you quoted me without actually reading what I posted.

[baryonic member]

agreed, mass effect 2 was rushed enough, and me3 will have an even shorter development cycle, unless they delay it (which i hope they do). ok

also, dat stuped walters who is responsible for evolutions and the human reaper.

[ReiSilver]

IMO DA2's problems (aside from certain art design choices *cough*elves*cough*) are all due to a lack of development time. DA2 isn't -bad- it's only slightly above average and next to some of Bioware's previous, more polished, games it comes off as worse.
If they've been working on ME3 alongside ME2 then it should be alright, but if things only started last year and the game is being released so soon? That's a worry.
The other worry I have is whether or not the high rate of objectification of female characters will get better (back to ME1) stay the same (Why hello Miranda's butt, please stop taking up 70% of my screen when I'm not romancing Miranda) or get worse (Oh please gods no).
I really want this trilogy to end with a triumphant bang! Not a cash-grab-slightly-above-average-whimper :\\

Modifié par ReiSilver, 11 mars 2011 - 02:44 .

[Franzius]

My doubts, my deepest doubts start with ME2!

[Klimy]

I just want to see how the story ends