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[What a Twist]

So, I could'nt help but notice that hawke seems to have done less in more time. To keep this short(because we both know you're reading this during a loading screen) I'll just stick to the big stuff.

As far as things killed goes, the warden potentially has Hawke beat by a mile. Three high dragons including flemeth and an arch demon, two powerful fade demons of some kind, the architect, the mother, whatever that thing was from amgorakk, a dalish keeper or spirit of the forest, a paragon, a few darkspawn generals, and countless blood mages. All in a year or two.

Hawke by comparison kills one high dragon, one of those amgorakk things(This is the technical term), a Qunari general, a posessed knight commander, and what seemed to be half a city worth of mercenaries. In ten years.

The places you go also seem a bit less dangerous. You pretty much stay in Kirkwall the entire time, only venturing outside the city on occasion to visit a beach or mountainside. Don't get me wrong, I like Kirkwall, but it seems like more could have been done with the dragon age universe's supposedly most influential person ever, over a ten year period. The story seems to set a lot of things in motion, so maybe we'll see more of Hawke, but I feel like the protagonist accomplished very little themselves and was just along for the ride.

While I'm at it, I'll just add to this instead of making a new thread even though It's a bit off my own topic.
The story didn't seems to care much about Hawke or what he was doing. It skipped years at a time, trying to center around the mage vs templar war. I know that it's probably setting up for dragon age 3, but I care more about dragon age 2 right now. I feel as though I wanted to know more about Hawke, and let the foreshadowing take its place on the sidelines.

Modifié par What a Twist, 10 mars 2011 - 02:40 .

[Rawrimsarah]

I think they really wanted to concentrate on the clash between the Chantry and mages. I thought the story was amazing in that sense and its true Hawke doesnt do nearly as much as our Warden. But depending on how you played your story out he/she did change all of Thedas

[NinjaRogue]

He started the collapse of the Chantry, where the Warden saved the world, Hawke decided to give the world the perverbial middle finger.

[Teddie Sage]

I can't say. But I prefer my Hawke hands down, over my boring Warden. Hawke is badass, charming, funny... and sexy... RAWR. Well, at least... in my playthrough.

[trh5001]

I don't know if Hawke is less Epic or not. I think its a matter of circumstance the Warden was forced into all these epic confrontations while Hawke has no clear goal at the start and is then concerned with kepping the peace while the warden from day 1 pretty much has the very clearly defined goal of killing the Archdemon. I thinkbif the roles were reversed the results would be comparable.

[Annarl]

I think the Warden is more epic than Hawk. But I feel DA:O was more epic in general. That doesn't mean Hawk isn't important or his/her story isn't important.

Modifié par omearaee, 10 mars 2011 - 02:55 .

[adneate]

Hawke does some amazing things but the game still seems to place Grey Wardens above everyone else in terms of ablity. The handful of Wardens you meet over the course of DA2 are clearly BAMF who are tougher than any normal person. The war between the Mages and the Templars is certainly important but Hawke isn't really as involved in the events that start this war as The Warden was in his or her confrontation with the Archdemon and the choices you made to get there.

****Massive Game Ending Spoiler****


Regardless of what you do Anders still blows up the Chantry and the Grand Cleric forcing the world wide war between Mages and Templars. If you help him he doesn't really reveal what he's doing and Hawke is totally in the dark and if you don't help him, like I did, he just does it anyway on his own. So no matter what you're dealing with the consequences of Anders's action which thanks to a certain magical idol results in pretty similar outcomes.

[Hawksblud]

Both Hawke and the Warden were set up by their circumstances. (As Flemeth would say, chance or fate?) Neither one was special to begin with, but they were in the right place, at the right time, and instead of staying quiet they did something. (As Varric says, it would never have gone that far without Hawke's presence.) I prefer that, someone who interacts realistically with the world, to a purposelessly epic hero. In the end, body count isn't what matters. The Warden saved Ferelden, sure, but some revolutions are about ideology and that's really what we saw in DA2.

[What a Twist]

I'm sure Hawke could have done what the warden did in the same shoes, maybe even better, but "what if" doesn't matter much. Hawke just seems to have made a big mess, then ran away to avoid cleaning it up.

[Malja]

Hawksblud wrote...

Both Hawke and the Warden were set up by their circumstances. (As Flemeth would say, chance or fate?) Neither one was special to begin with, but they were in the right place, at the right time, and instead of staying quiet they did something. (As Varric says, it would never have gone that far without Hawke's presence.) I prefer that, someone who interacts realistically with the world, to a purposelessly epic hero. In the end, body count isn't what matters. The Warden saved Ferelden, sure, but some revolutions are about ideology and that's really what we saw in DA2.

Mmm I like how you worded this.

Honestly, I see the Warden as a powerhouse who, naturally, will only have a little time in comparison. The calling and whatnot, unless the book of the same name is something to hope for with Fiona's circumstances.

Hawke though? Hawke has nothing but time.

[cyrusthefox]

Hawke vs Warden in DA3!!!

[Heliousjazz]

This felt like this was very epic filler game. The combat was brilliant, the characters just as lovable as the first, with the captain of the guards romance quests to be the funniest thing i have ever seen in a game. But when it comes down to it, you didn't do nearly as much world changing as you did in the first. I felt like this was a set up for something else, with the world on the brink of collapse and the wardens child being the salvation to come. Or its ruin....

[WhiteKnyght]

The Warden saved the world, Hawke changed it

Both are great but in different ways.

[HawXV2]

Meredith would've wooped the Archdemon's ass with that damn sword~

But really, Hawke is...tied. I can't pick one.

[Kemor]

Rawrimsarah wrote...

I think they really wanted to concentrate on the clash between the Chantry and mages. I thought the story was amazing in that sense and its true Hawke doesnt do nearly as much as our Warden. But depending on how you played your story out he/she did change all of Thedas

Hmm, The Mages/Templar story takes...I don't know..1/5th of the game? You have as much of the rest in DA:O (Templars against Mages I mean) and it's not even a focus.

And no matter how you played the game apparently, there is the war and we don't know how that turns out. What actually did YOUR Hawke do that changed anything? In my story, Anders pretty much did it all alone.


As for the OP:
Totally less epic feeling though there were some glimpses here and there but never followed long enough or connected to make it feel epic as a whole. You're just dropped with some epic stuff on your plate out of the blue, solve it, then do something else epic for some reason...and...well that's pretty much it. The worst part is that I didn't feel Hawke was needed for any of it.

In DA:O, It was pretty much epic the moment you finish your persona origin and the same epic ends pretty much before the credits.

Modifié par Kemor, 14 mars 2011 - 03:01 .

[Kats_RK]

The Warden shall always be more epic!

[WhiteKnyght]

Wonder if the Sixth Blight will happen in DAIII.

The ending for the Orlesian warden in Awakening says he/she is eventually recalled to Weisshaupt and there are rumors of a new blight there.

That could be why the Warden/Hero of Ferelden disappears. Although the possible ending of Witch Hunt is a pretty good reason too.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 14 mars 2011 - 03:07 .

[Darian Tylmare]

I think both are heroes on their own terms.
The Warden did what had to be done or otherwise the world would have collapsed.
Hawke on the other hand did what the world needed, giving it the change to move on to new shores or at least the oppertunity for it.
But, on the other hand, the Warden killed more high Dragons so he is by default more epic

Modifié par Darian Tylmare, 14 mars 2011 - 03:10 .

[rumination888]

The devs have said Hawke's story spans roughly 10 years.... but DA2 only spanned 7(i don't recall the devs specifically stating that DA2 spans 10 years, only that Hawke's story does). Food for thought.

[Freestorm Skinn]

The Warden's story is an epic story about getting ready to fight a Big Bad and saving the world.

Hawke's story is a more personal tragedy about trying to survive, making a living and taking care of his/her family and the horrific events that culminate in Hawke's actions setting off a war.

[UNOSHI]

hawke looked bad ass- warden looks heroic

[NRO TYN]

Hawke= Defeated a Qunari Leader, and put the Whole world at War

NeroCousland/The Warden=Became king ,and Killed an Archdemon

Imma go with my warden

[Oneiropolos]

I'm reminded of what the 9th Doctor says to Rose in the episode Father's day. I can't remember the exact wording but it's essentially, "Don't you realize that an ordinary man can be the most powerful force in the universe?" So there's points to be made that Hawke was 'ordinary' and just in the right place/right time (or wrong place/wrong time) in order to change all of Thedas. But I do think the Warden was definitely more epic. Even the Warden's companions were more epic in terms of who they were. Morrigan was raised by Flemeth, Zev goes on to...basically destroy the Antivan Crows (he even kills the guild master), Alistair is heir to the throne, Wynne has a spirit in her that ISN'T corrupted and has even been asked before to lead the circle, Shale is the only golem around who isn't controlled, Lelaina goes on to become a seeker and the left hand of the Divine.... and Dog is Dog. He's just awesome. (I'm ignoring the Dwarf. Just as I ignored him in Awakening. I REALLY dislike him as a character.) And our Warden can go on to become king/queen of Fereldan. Which is sorta bigger than the city-state of Kirkwall. I don't think any argument can be made that Hawke is equal to the Warden in any measure. The Warden would have found a way to put down the chaos in Kirkwall much more quickly and wouldn't have stood for the situation growing. And the Wardens try to use the excuse that they can't interfere in politics in DAII.. which.. where did that come from? My first Warden decided Alistair was going to be put on the throne, decided who would rule the dwarves, and became Queen herself next to Alistair. How did she do all that without interfering in politics?!? So clearly, the Warden would have said "Screw that" and interfered if she was present in Kirkwall. I think the key difference is, Hawke was put in Kirkwall, told they had to be a servant for a year to pay for it, and the best hopes were to get money and work their way up. They fluked into almost everything that became huge situations. The expectations were for them to fail, but if they didn't, even better. The Warden was put in a situation and told, "You have to do this because otherwise the world dies." They HAD to be great because they had a huge burden resting on their shoulders.

[Uhh.. Jonah]

Hawke definatley more bad ass.

[Nialos]

They're both equal in terms of badassery.

The Warden ends the Blight, bringing 'stability' to the world. Hawke shatters that stability all over Thedas. In both cases, it takes a sufficient amount of badassery to accomplish.