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[Kemor]

Uhh.. Jonah wrote...

Hawke definatley more bad ass.

Console gameplay..Check
Super fast over the top action..Check
Weakish story to get you to kill tons of people...Check
Badboy power-hungry, murdering and greedy bastard as a hero...Check

Well boys, this game is gonna please the masses! We got a winner!

[Nialos]

Kemor wrote...

Uhh.. Jonah wrote...

Hawke definatley more bad ass.

Console gameplay..Check
Super fast over the top action..Check
Weakish story to get you to kill tons of people...Check
Badboy power-hungry, murdering and greedy bastard as a hero...Check

Well boys, this game is gonna please the masses! We got a winner!

Or he just feels a different way about the main characters.

[TEWR]

I couldn't say who is more epic.

The Warden was faced with a challenge that if he had ignored, would've potentially destroyed all of Thedas, or at the very least a huge chunk of it. Through it all though, his resolve never wavered. No matter what he did, he was determined to see the Blight end one way or another. Brought face to face with the Archdemon, he fought a demanding battle and sank his blade into the Archdemon's skull.*

on the other hand....

Hawke is a refugee fleeing from the Blight not long after the events of Ostagar. With his family and Aveline, he fought through droves of Darkspawn. Sadly though, it wasn't enough as Carver died in the process trying to save Leandra from an Ogre. With the timely arrival of Flemeth, things look better for Hawke, as dumbfounded as he is by her statement of "fate or chance". Having gained safe passage to Kirkwall and rising to nobility, he is thrust in the middle of an escalating conflict between the trapped Qunari and the strain it's causing on the city dwellers. Events pile on top of one another, and the Arishok's anger leads him to "reform" Kirkwall, murdering the Viscount in the process. Hawke however challenges the Arishok to duel to the death, and emerges victorious, earning the title of Champion. But it is not without its costs, as he is now thrown headlong once again into the ever-growing feud between the Circle and the Templars. Witnessing firsthand the paranoia and madness that Meredith harbored, he decided that Orsino was in the right and took action against her. And so began the new war. A war for freedom. A war for independence. A war for the rights of all citizens. A war to end all wars....*


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Sorry for giving the storylines of both games, but it's to show that both have made profound impacts on the world. The Warden proved that Wardens are always needed, and helped avoid a nearly catastrophic scenario, turning people from whatever petty or immediate concerns they had to take on the Blight. Hawke engaged in an ideological war that started off as the right to have freedom, or at least a better Knight-Commander, for the mages in Kirkwall. But that inspired all mages to fight back for what they deserve.

It really is a tough call, but all I can say is that there is definitely something more to Flemeth. Maybe she's the Maker. I also think that the Warden and Hawke are going to at least cross paths one day. Now we wait and see as to what unfolds.

*this was both my Warden and my Hawke and the roads they took.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 14 mars 2011 - 03:46 .

[Stalky24]

My Hawke is more badass and funny, my Warden is strict and disciplined. Both are powerful mages, yet Warden never accepted ways of Blood Magic. I think if they met, Hawke would accept Warden as superior and leader, from the confidence and respect Warden has.
Wardens life is more epic. He was far most talented mage in the circle before he left, he fell in love with daughter of Witch of the Wild, became best friend and superior commander of current king of Ferelnden, managed to unite army like noone else in hundred years and ended Blight sooner then anyone could have hoped for and that all while being hunted by government.

Champion has remarkable achievements too. Win a duel against Qunari leader isnt something everyone could do and stoping Meredith wasnt easy task either, especially when everyone believed its their last day. But this took 7 years. If was fight vs templars... humans and demons. It cannot be compared to what Warden did in one year. Champion title is more powerful then Hawkes skills, since it brings message that mages can defeat templar tyrany. It is more symbol of revolution, rather then acknowledge of skill Hero has.

But Hero and Champion = undefeatable (dynamic) duo.

[Nialos]

I'll agree. Flemeth is more epic. Without her, nothing would have happened.

[TEWR]

Kemor wrote...

Uhh.. Jonah wrote...

Hawke definatley more bad ass.

Console gameplay..Check
Super fast over the top action..Check
Weakish story to get you to kill tons of people...Check
Badboy power-hungry, murdering and greedy bastard as a hero...Check

Well boys, this game is gonna please the masses! We got a winner!

I didn't think the story was weak. I thought it was a really good story actually. And how is Hawke power-hungry and greedy?

[AtreiyaN7]

Hawke played a role in triggering a massive war between the mages and the Chantry, so I'm going with yes, she is just as epic as the Warden because of her influence on events - unless you think the threat of a new Imperium and the potential fall of the Chantry somehow aren't significant.

[TEWR]

my only concern though is when we're gonna see some DLC. seriously I really want it and the guide keeps mentioning future DLC. I want moar to the story of the Champion! I want moar!!

[Nialos]

Give it a few more weeks. We should see an announcement, and then...

Then the speculations truly begin. Or we just get something that doesn't -really- change anything like Return to Ostagar.

[BiowarEA]

Given that Hawke seemingly knows enough kung-fu to give Bruce Lee pause, and that one of the early(ish) companions you pick up is Anders post-awakening where Hawke is more badass than him, couldn't Hawke just have stayed in Lothering and kicked the Archdaemons arse? He's clearly 10 times as badass as the hero of Ferelden ever was.

[TEWR]

Nialos wrote...

Give it a few more weeks. We should see an announcement, and then...

Then the speculations truly begin. Or we just get something that doesn't -really- change anything like Return to Ostagar.

I know but the wait will kill me. When February came around I was incredibly jumpy going "Oh boy just another month to DA2!!" but each day felt like an eternity.



Side note: I believe DA3 will take place in Orlais or around that area. For various reasons:

A) the tensions rising between Ferelden and Orlais
 Bodahn and Sandal are going there, so I believe they will be a staple in all DA games. Wherever they are, the game will be there.
C) Leliana is working for the Divine based in Val Royeaux.


I had some others but forgot them . Still at this point it's all just speculation.

[Blastback]

For my money, in Origins, the Warden was able to not only face the problem, but to fix it. In DA2, I've felt like Hawke spends most all the game merely struggling to hold things together, and ultimatly fails. So, by that standard, I'd say Hawke is less epic.

[Rabies]

I don't know. I would say that Hawke is just as epic as the Warden, and potentially more so. His actions WILL continue to go on to change the world. Don't forget that we haven't seen the end of his story. There is clearly something else happening in the background. There is something brewing, potentially due to Flemeth's agenda, that Hawke will invariably be involved in.

I think Hawke is a little more identifiable with than the silent Warden. I personally developed a much deeper connection with the characters in DA2 than I did in DAO. In particular, I remember first time I went through the game I took You-Know-Who with me into the Deep Roads and she got the Taint and died...I literally cried out in despair.

Then I noticed later that I had lost my chance to recruit Isabella, so I redid everything back up to that point and THAT time left Bethany out of the Deep Roads. I've never seen such depth placed into characters before in a game. You really see it come out.

[Nialos]

@ The Ethereal: I suppose we'll see. Hawke's story isn't done just yet. I believe we've only experienced seven years of his story. The last three may deal with the Mage/Templar war, which may clear up the true destination of the third game.

Though, I'm inclined to agree it'll take place in Orlais.

Modifié par Nialos, 14 mars 2011 - 03:57 .

[TEWR]

Blastback you have to consider that this was an escalating conflict that was never going to resolve itself no matter what anyone did. Even the Viscount could do nothing to help, and he had been faced with this problem all the way up until his death at the Arishok's hands. I'd say Hawke succeeded in proving a point to the world.

anyone would have struggled with keeping the peace there. However, that is your opinion and I'm not asking or telling you to change it. Just thought I'd give my 2 cents on your 2 cents.

[TEWR]

ah that's true. We were told his story takes place over 10 years, yet have only seen 7 of those years. Which means Varric may have more to tell Cassandra, depending on when that interrogation took place.

Also, if Morrigan returns I'd like to see if they could make her look a little bit more like her CGI version in the Sacred Ashes trailer. Not saying I hate her look in Origins, but if they did that I'd be really happy.

If Leliana is changed into a closer resemblance to her CGI version too, I'll be happy. but if they don't change her, I have no real qualms with her appearance.

[Kingthlayer]

The Warden is more epic, if just for the fact that he's a Dwarf. If Hawke could be a Dwarf he would comparable but as it stands, The Warden is far ahead by a mile.

[HawXV2]

Kemor wrote...

Uhh.. Jonah wrote...

Hawke definatley more bad ass.

Console gameplay..Check
Super fast over the top action..Check
Weakish story to get you to kill tons of people...Check
Badboy power-hungry, murdering and greedy bastard as a hero...Check

Well boys, this game is gonna please the masses! We got a winner!

I don't even understand what your problem is. This has nothing to do with Hawke being more epic than the Warden. Another hater, I guess.

[TEWR]

I need to ask a question. Has anyone who has imported an Origins file saved Amaranthine while leaving Nathaniel at the fully upgraded Keep, where he survives, played both Amgarrak and Witch Hunt, imported THAT stuff, and been able to do Finding Nathaniel?

If no one has, should I just let Amaranthine burn?

[AlexXIV]

I am just saying the Warden was the one who saved Anders and made him a Grey Warden, and because of the Warden Anders befriended Justice. So the Warden had even a bigger impact in DA2 than Hawke.

[AlexXIV]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I need to ask a question. Has anyone who has imported an Origins file saved Amaranthine while leaving Nathaniel at the fully upgraded Keep, where he survives, played both Amgarrak and Witch Hunt, imported THAT stuff, and been able to do Finding Nathaniel?

If no one has, should I just let Amaranthine burn?

I havn't found Nathaniel yet. Either I am really bad at finding people or my save game import wasn't as successful as the game wants me to believe.

[TEWR]

AlexXIV wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I need to ask a question. Has anyone who has imported an Origins file saved Amaranthine while leaving Nathaniel at the fully upgraded Keep, where he survives, played both Amgarrak and Witch Hunt, imported THAT stuff, and been able to do Finding Nathaniel?

If no one has, should I just let Amaranthine burn?

I havn't found Nathaniel yet. Either I am really bad at finding people or my save game import wasn't as successful as the game wants me to believe.

well the quest starts outside the Kirkwall chantry with Delilah, but I never ended up seeing her in my DA2 file. I have a feeling that when I imported my awakening to GoA and then my GoA to WH and then my WH to DA2, things got messed up and somewhere along the line, the imports failed on certain key details.

Also, I like your sig.

[AlexXIV]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I need to ask a question. Has anyone who has imported an Origins file saved Amaranthine while leaving Nathaniel at the fully upgraded Keep, where he survives, played both Amgarrak and Witch Hunt, imported THAT stuff, and been able to do Finding Nathaniel?

If no one has, should I just let Amaranthine burn?

I havn't found Nathaniel yet. Either I am really bad at finding people or my save game import wasn't as successful as the game wants me to believe.

well the quest starts outside the Kirkwall chantry with Delilah, but I never ended up seeing her in my DA2 file. I have a feeling that when I imported my awakening to GoA and then my GoA to WH and then my WH to DA2, things got messed up and somewhere along the line, the imports failed on certain key details.

Also, I like your sig.

Yeah I imported from WH. Maybe better to import from Awakenings instead.

[TEWR]

either it has to do with buggy imports or me saving Amaranthine because I fully upgraded the Keep and left Nathaniel, Anders, and Oghren there.

I hope it's patchable

[hawkens982]

I think Hawke is more epic/heroic than the warden. The warden relied on being one of the last two wardens in Ferelden for his/her early influence. Not to mention that he had the treatise from the various races to fight the Blight. Yes, he slayed more high dragons and more powerful enemies to end the Blight, but his sphere of influence is only in Ferelden and if he goes outside of Ferelden, hes just another Grey Warden.

Hawke on the other hand, had nothing to start with and he slowly built up his power base through connections and being involved. I think if Hawke was the warden, he would've gathered all the races WITHOUT the treatise of promise and beat back the Blight. Hawke's influence is also 'wider', hes not only the viscount of kirkwall at the end, but he started a mage revolution across all of Thedas. Only thing i can think of that is comparable would be that Hawke is like a US aircraft carrier. That piece of US sovereignty exerts a sphere of influence/power in much the same way as Hawke. Not only did he make his name known in Kirkwall, even the Divine in Orlais knew of him by the end of the events in DA2.

Both are epic characters in themselves, but I think Hawke had made a bit more impact than the hero of ferelden at the end of their respective storyline.