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[ZerbanDaGreat1]

The Warden saved Ferelden. Hawke changed the world.

[jesot]

Yeah... Warden saved the world and had a more epic list of things killed, but what Hawke did in the end is just as significant and epic. Perhaps they'll meet up some day.

Modifié par jesot, 14 mars 2011 - 05:50 .

[ExiledMimic]

I feel like my human warrior in Origins did more to change the world than Hawke. I know it's not true, but I had more investment in that origin than in all of DA2. In terms of it the Warden did change the course of history, and Hawke was just present for major events, but he didn't affect them as much as he was just thrown into them. So it really is a matter of feeling more than hard numbers. But it doesn't change my original answer.

[Boss Fog]

BiowarEA wrote...

Given that Hawke seemingly knows enough kung-fu to give Bruce Lee pause, and that one of the early(ish) companions you pick up is Anders post-awakening where Hawke is more badass than him, couldn't Hawke just have stayed in Lothering and kicked the Archdaemons arse? He's clearly 10 times as badass as the hero of Ferelden ever was.

You fail to remember that the Warden and Hawke both would have died were it not for Flemeth.  There is a difference between being a Grey Warden and being a refugee.  Being one of the last 2 Grey Wardens in the country basically forces you to attempt to stop the Blight, which you do of course in whatever fashion but that doesn't necessarily mean everything is going to be peachy after that.  One of my Wardens lost the city of Amaranthine which was viewed as a massive failure by some.  Hawke did what he/she could with the circumstances; even if Anders hadn't blew up the chantry, s*** still would've gone down.  Hawke still would of had to kill Meredith/Orsino eventually, Anders just sped it up. 

[TheJist]

Hawke because either he or she royally screwed up the world sending it into chaos which will cause tons of death before the conflict is resolved so yes Hawke is epic in the fact he or she epic screwed the world over.

[Deztyn]

Eh, if my Warden had been in Kirkwall she would have been able to talk Meredith and Orsino into acknowledging their deeply suppressed love for each other and the whole story would have ended with their marriage ushering in a golden age of cooperation and understanding between mages and templars.

'Cause the Warden is that Epic.

She doesn't need to Fight Like a Spartan to get things done.

Modifié par Deztyn, 14 mars 2011 - 08:01 .

[Iyacathor]

Guys, Hawke is great because he basically is a deconstruction of a traditional Bioware hero. Think about your conversations in the late game if you had the Warden, or Shepard or Revan. You would have used your persuasion check and successfully talked everyone down and saved the whole conflict from breaking out.

Hawke doesn't have the creepy super-personality the other Bioware heroes did. Hawke's just a person, a refugee, who happened to be at the center of world changing events and ultimately was unable to fully stop bad things from happening. And that's why Hawke is great, because that kind of big damn hero can convince any one of anything is old and annoying at this point.

The Warden was a great hero, Hawke was a lucky refugee. The Warden saved the world, Hawke couldn't save a city. And that is more interesting.

[Fishy]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

The Warden saved the world, Hawke changed it

Both are great but in different ways.

The Warden Saved Ferelden .. Hawke created a revolution in Thedas.

[LadyBri]

Great topic!

@ the OP - not to diss anything you are saying because there are some decent comparisons, but I don't know that it is fair to rule Hawke out yet. You mentioned several feats of awesome, such as much of the Awakening content, and Hawke may have similar content in his/her future to bolster the badassness.

As for the general question, I think both the Warden and Hawke are awesome. But, Hawke can definitely compete in a hero of the Dragon Age and at least stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the Warden because this mage/templar/chantry conflict is going to be huge...just as big, dangerous, and Thedas-altering as a Blight. Maybe not as heroic as the Warden saving the world (or maybe it will be for some), but definitely a name that will be remembered forever in Thedas history.

[Fishy]

Warden defeating the Archdemon 'He was fighting an injured tainted Dragon with a lot of help'
The Warden defeating Flemeth 'She lost on purpose'
The Warden defeating a paragon 'Paragon can be merchant'


Imo the most epic fight in both game was vs the Arishok.The Arishok could probably pwn 100 sten by himself.That speak volume of the feat.

All the other stuff are from dlc and expansion that was not included at the beginning.
Both Are badAss.

Modifié par Suprez30, 14 mars 2011 - 08:22 .

[Maria Caliban]

Kemor wrote...

What actually did YOUR Hawke do that changed anything? In my story, Anders pretty much did it all alone.

Hawke is the reason the idol came from the Deep Roads.

Hawke's friendship with the Captain of the guards is what allowed Anders to live in Kirkwall for 7 years without running into trouble.

Hawke chased the qunari out of Kirkwall and they certainly would have made sure there was no mage problem.

[Juddaz]

Warden more epic, Story spanned a continent (or a least a county) not just a city. Both had worldwide ramifications but hawke involved the leaders of Dwarves Elves and Humans. I have not finished the game but im not sure if the quanari will go to war over DA 2. Plus Warden installed the king of a county not just the viscount of a city. Then referring to the orginators post, more higher level badases were killed. Put simply,

Warden is almost immediately tasked with saving the world. Hawke isn't and is more small cog material.

[trembli0s]

Tough Choice:

Warden - Ends the Blight in a year, pretty much crowns the new King of Ferelden, spares/kills the Architect to help stop the Blights, kills the Mother, re-establishes the Wardens as a strong military force in Ferelden and also indirectly establishes the Order of the Silver Knights (?? I think that's what they're called but it depends on your choices in Awakening)

Hawke - Kills the Arishok, half saves Kirkwall from destroying itself, starts rebellions in every country across Thedas due to the Circle rebellion, and on top of that the Templars also have a civil war going on.

I'd say the Warden is more epic in his achievements but Hawke's have pretty much exploded the way the world works.

[TexasToast712]

My Warden achieved glory by ending the 5th blight in less than a year's time while it took Hawke 6 years to become the Champion of a single city in the Free Marches. So, yes, Hawke is less epic.

[TexasToast712]

Suprez30 wrote...

Warden defeating the Archdemon 'He was fighting an injured tainted Dragon with a lot of help'
The Warden defeating Flemeth 'She lost on purpose'
The Warden defeating a paragon 'Paragon can be merchant'


Imo the most epic fight in both game was vs the Arishok.The Arishok could probably pwn 100 sten by himself.That speak volume of the feat.

All the other stuff are from dlc and expansion that was not included at the beginning.
Both Are badAss.

And my Warden would have destroyed the Arishok with his pinky finger.

[Juddaz]

also the hawke seems to just watch as his 'comrades' kill people

[theteamfantastic]

The Warden because I AM THE WARDEN. I shaped the Warden's personality, behaviour to my vision. Something I can do little of with Hawke Hawke (that's the name I gave him)

If I'm choosing between myself and some lothering villager who just stumbled his way into igniting the fall of the Chantry, I'll choose myself. Given the events that happened in Kirkwall, it was likely Meredith would have caused problems without Hawke anyway. Anders would still be there and he was a much more important "trigger". 

So that is my reasoning, Kirkwall downfall would have happened without Hawke. However the end of the Blight would NOT have happened without ME; The Warden. The Hero of Ferelden! That is an entire nation, not some backwater port.

Modifié par Ranbir, 14 mars 2011 - 09:28 .

[Juddaz]

also you could argue that the templar mage war was gonna happen with or without hawke. You just speed up the process. Hawke, escalates as conflict. Warden, ends war. nuff said?

[WhiteKnyght]

Ranbir wrote...

So that is my reasoning, Kirkwall downfall would have happened without Hawke. However the end of the Blight would NOT have happened without ME; The Warden. The Hero of Ferelden! That is an entire nation, not some backwater port.

Well arguably if the Blight had spread past Ferelden the other Grey Wardens in Orlais, Free Marches, Antiva, Tevinter, Nevarra, Anderfels, etc would have been deployed to fight it.

But its true The Warden give the Blight and quick and clean end.

[Alneverus]

I would have to go with the Warden. While the situations weren't the same, the Warden had to build something from nothing and prevented the amount of devastation a Blight brings.

Hawke, on the other hand, merely helped set off a powder keg that was going to blow eventually. Despite having a helping hand (regardless of how much help) the only thing that Hawke really did by the end was help it happen.

[Hellosanta]

The Warden in DAO was a mythical hero. You can sense that by hearing people when they refer to the warden in DA2. Although we, as a player, know very well that all the things the warden have done are real, but people in Thedas seems to believe it's just a story/legend. Hawke appears to be more realistic than the warden. I like Hawke because he/she is a main character of more .. personal story.

[Ari87]

The female elf warden is miles and miles better than Hawke.

[VettoRyouzou]

I liked my warden more but then again who doesn't love a good hero.

[WhiteKnyght]

Alneverus wrote...

I would have to go with the Warden. While the situations weren't the same, the Warden had to build something from nothing and prevented the amount of devastation a Blight brings.

Hawke, on the other hand, merely helped set off a powder keg that was going to blow eventually. Despite having a helping hand (regardless of how much help) the only thing that Hawke really did by the end was help it happen.

The previous Blights lasted for decades and took more decades to recover from.

The fact that the Warden defeated the Blight in roughly a single year without much damage being done is a pretty good accomplishment.

If the Warden hadn't been around to do that chances are that Kirkwall would have been destroyed before the Blight was stopped.

[arathor_87]

The warden is more epic.
* He stopped a blight in record time - Hawkes greedy actions started a conflict between mages and templars. He did less in 10 years than the Warden did in a few years.
* He made Ferelden united. Hawke couldn't even unite templars and mages in one city.
* He stopped a civil war in Orzammar.
* He gathered an army of elves or werewolves and an army of mages.
* He fought against a traitor - Loghain.
* He slaughered his way through the Deeps Roads.
* Killed Flemeth (If you choose to do that). Flemeth more powerful than the Arishok, Meredith and all the DA2 characters togheter.
* And he killed the Archdemon and the Broodmother if you played your Warden in the Awakening.
* He started to rebuild the grey warden in Ferelden from ground zero. Hawke just made things worse in Kirkwall.

Hawke do have a big impact on Thedas, but not in a positive way. His greedy actions started a war even if it wasn't on purpose. He is a fun character to play but not as heroic and noble as the Warden. Hawke ran like a chicken from his home country while the Warden was awesome badass killingmachine. Without the Warden Kirkwall would have been destroyed and Hawke would be dead.

I don't base it the combat system as many others do, I look at the story and the fact. But I accept if people think Hawke is better.

Hawke talks, the Warden get things done.

But DA2 was a good game, but I like DA:O and the Warden more.

Modifié par arathor_87, 18 mars 2011 - 11:15 .