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[Melra]

Hawke is more epic on all levels. Warden is just a party pooper.

''Yay! We won the battle!''

Warden: O_O ............ *wish I had a voice*

[WidowMaker9394]

So it's a dick measurement contest between fictional characters now?

I liked Hawke better, he/she felt more lika a living character than the mute Warden.

[Brightassin]

Yeah.
But Hawke is a Chuck Norris parody. When I saw what was coming against us at the mines I felt like: "OMFG are we going to defeat a High Dragon in a totally unimportant sidequest?!"

[hawat333]

Sten.

[arathor_87]

VA is not everything for me. When Hawke had voice it didn't feel like my character, it felt like a movie. The choices were limited and the outcome the same no matter what you did.

DA:O was like reading an epic fantasy story where I had to decide how the story should proceed, it was like I wrote the story.

I could imagine how his voice was like, how he felt about things. The warden felt like my character and Hawke didn't. In DA:O I could set the pace of the game and decide things. I couldn't do that in DA2 cause its was already decided how things would end and proceed. In DA2 you can't imagine those things..

But I still enjoyed DA2, just two different kind of games.

EDIT: I'm not an old school gamer who played Baldurs Gate, neither a PC elitist or what you call them. So no point to call me that!

Modifié par arathor_87, 18 mars 2011 - 11:30 .

[Super ._. Shepard]

arathor_87 wrote...

The warden is more epic.
* He stopped a blight in record time - Hawkes greedy actions started a conflict between mages and templars. He did less in 10 years than the Warden did in a few years.
* He made Ferelden united. Hawke couldn't even unite templars and mages in one city.
* He stopped a civil war in Orzammar.
* He gathered an army of elves or werewolves and an army of mages.
* He fought against a traitor - Loghain.
* He slaughered his way through the Deeps Roads.
* Killed Flemeth (If you choose to do that). Flemeth more powerful than the Arishok, Meredith and all the DA2 characters togheter.
* And he killed the Archdemon and the Broodmother if you played your Warden in the Awakening.
* He started to rebuild the grey warden in Ferelden from ground zero. Hawke just made things worse in Kirkwall.

Hawke do have a big impact on Thedas, but not in a positive way. His greedy actions started a war even if it wasn't on purpose. He is a fun character to play but not as heroic and noble as the Warden. Hawke ran like a chicken from his home country while the Warden was awesome badass killingmachine. Without the Warden Kirkwall would have been destroyed and Hawke would be dead.

I don't base it the combat system as many others do, I look at the story and the fact. But I accept if people think Hawke is better.

Hawke talks, the Warden get things done.

But DA2 was a good game, but I like DA:O and the Warden more.

AGRRED

[scylis]

hawat333 wrote...

Sten.

I'm hoping you mean Arishok.

*glares into the future at DA3*

Do not force my hampster to fix his steely gaze at you, as well, DA3. He is small, but oh so fierce!

[Clonedzero]

Brightassin wrote...

Yeah.
But Hawke is a Chuck Norris parody. When I saw what was coming against us at the mines I felt like: "OMFG are we going to defeat a High Dragon in a totally unimportant sidequest?!"

you mean like how the warden defeated the highdragon in a completely unimportant mainquest? and yes it was unimportant eamon was pointless, all you ahd to do is get teagon drunk and laid and he woulda had the balls to do everything eamon did anyways.

back on the actual subject.
the warden did some impressive things i'll admit. he killed the archdemon most importantly. but he delved deep into the deeproads to find that old golum dude (though hawke went deep into the deep roads as well so we''ll call that even), he fought a tower of abominations and a big abominations (hawke fought a city full of them basically, we'll call that even). he killed a bunch of werewolves (hawke killed a bunch of qunari, we'll call it  even). he beat loghian in single combat (hawke beat the arashock in single combat we'll call it even)

i could continue that but i dont really see the point. they're both extreme badasses of epic proportions, i find hawke a much more realistic and sympathtic character because of alot of what happens in the story (not being able to save his mother for example). it just really humanizes the character. so if you want to say the warden is more "epic" i'll agree i suppose, but i find hawke MUCH more believable and sympathetic than the warden could ever be.

if they fought, i'd imagine it to be one of those exaggerated fights where they'd fight for 5 hours straight then give up and go get beers together. at least thats the way i'd imagine my hawke and warden fighting.

[Zmajc]

Hawk isn't even close to being epic. All he did was get mixed up in a political conflict without being able to control anything.

[arathor_87]

Zmajc wrote...

Hawk isn't even close to being epic. All he did was get mixed up in a political conflict without being able to control anything.

 
I agree, I will almost go so far to say its a fact that the Warden is more epic and heroic than Hawke.

But this doesn't mean that Hakwe is boring to play, just a different story. Not as Heroic or noble. Its about a greedy man who wants money and power in Kirkwall and to secure his familys future, But his greedy actions starts a war even if it wasn't on purpose.

[Melra]

Hawke is just so epic, that even he can't control his powers of epicness. He is great and interesting character, hope to play him again in next game or as some Tevinter influenced character. No more mutes please.

[arathor_87]

And I hope for the warden! ; )

[Lithuasil]

I still fail to see, where the epicness lies in the wardens actions :/

[Nialos]

The Warden -did- accomplish a lengthy list of achievements, but Hawke's kind of stack up if you look at it.

*Hawke can potentially kill two Varterrals - legendary Elven guardians.
*Hawke kills a High Dragon while being swarmed by dragonlings and dragons.
*Hawke defeats a massive Rock Wraith, something rarely seen and treated as a legend.
*Hawke defeats the Qunari and their Arishok - who by all accounts, is a BAMF in his own right.
*Hawke kills two-three massive spiders. Not a gigantic feat, but the Warden didn't do that.
*Hawke kills the Orsino-Harvester - again, something the Warden also did.
*Hawke kills a Lyrium-enhanced Meredith who's abilities are clearly magnified to insane levels, all while being mobbed by giant walking statues of bronze or iron.

Hawke eventually, through his/her/ actions, helps to redefine how the world flows. So I say that while Hawke couldn't prevent the war from breaking out, the Champion's influence is still far-reaching and abundantly clear. Besides, failure is a good thing.

Not all of us can channel the force through time and space (and games) to make someone agree with us. Which is a damn good thing.

Modifié par Nialos, 18 mars 2011 - 12:00 .

[arathor_87]

Lithuasil wrote...

I still fail to see, where the epicness lies in the wardens actions :/

And where lies the epicness in Hawkes actions? Starting a war?

[scylis]

Both of them fulfill the Hero Cycle (sometimes in a rough-ish manner, depending on choices made).

Anything beyond that is personal preference for individual story elements.

[arathor_87]

Nialos wrote...

The Warden -did- accomplish a lengthy list of achievements, but Hawke's kind of stack up if you look at it.

*Hawke can potentially kill two Varterrals - legendary Elven guardians.
*Hawke kills a High Dragon while being swarmed by dragonlings and dragons.
*Hawke defeats a massive Rock Wraith, something rarely seen and treated as a legend.
*Hawke defeats the Qunari and their Arishok - who by all accounts, is a BAMF in his own right.
*Hawke kills two-three massive spiders. Not a gigantic feat, but the Warden didn't do that.
*Hawke kills the Orsino-Harvester - again, something the Warden also did.
*Hawke kills a Lyrium-enhanced Meredith who's abilities are clearly magnified to insane levels, all while being mobbed by giant walking statues of bronze or iron.

Hawke eventually, through his/her/ actions, helps to redefine how the world. So I say that while Hawke couldn't prevent the war from breaking out, the Champion's influence is still far-reaching and abundantly clear. Besides, failure is a good thing.

Not all of us can channel the force through time and space (and games) to make someone agree with us. Which is a damn good thing.

The warden also kills a Varterral. And killing Flemeth (if you choose to do that) is like killing 1 archdemon and 20 high dragons with 1000 dragonlings at one time!  No the warden didn't kill a big spider, but he killed 2 brood mothers and they are more dangerous than a giant spider, he also killed a badass demon in the Fade.

We can continue this is eternity! 

[Lithuasil]

arathor_87 wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

I still fail to see, where the epicness lies in the wardens actions :/

And where lies the epicness in Hawkes actions? Starting a war?

Hawke is a person, in an incredibly dangerous and stressful situation, that struggles and manages to survive, deeply scarred. The Warden is a camera with legs.
Let me phrase it like this - a human being taking down five people in a swordfight before succumbing to their wounds, that's epic. Aragorn beating his personal best by slaying 4554765 Orcs in under ten seconds, is laughable.

[Nialos]

Flemeth, I think, was holding back. She was really no stronger than the High Dragon at that point - meaning she was toying with the Warden! Insulting. Hawke also killed -two- Varterral. Hawke killed two badass demons not in the fade - and two in the fade; which also can guarantee the survival of a Dreamer.

ETERNITY IS NOTHING! (Besides, I like comparing. )

[JabbaDaHutt30]

it's not just about killing things.

[Parrk]

Hawke is 1,000 times as epic as the warden.

"We could raise him as the undead and kill him again if you like.."

"Just use some of that blood magic he taught you and he'll be up and walking around in no time."

"We'll bring him back in one piece.....or two, hard to tell really."

My favorite line isn't even one of the witty ones, but rather when you go to where Bethany is being held by her kidnappers, choosing the fist option gets you:

"Everyone here dies!"

Not particularly original, but the delivery is spot-on, and such comments are not usually available to silly joker Hawke.

[arathor_87]

Warden is 1 000 000 000 times as epic as Hawke. ; ) A gigillion fifillion times better! XD

[Medhia Nox]

Hawke is a witness if a story dictated by Isabela and Anders (who are the Main characters). He isn't epic at all.

[Parrk]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Hawke is a witness if a story dictated by Isabela and Anders (who are the Main characters). He isn't epic at all.

Actually, the dwarven idol is the driving force in the game. The other two are circumstantial elements that provide catalysts, nothing more.

[Medhia Nox]

Get - so I'm not only upstaged by two maniacs - I'm upstaged by a glass figurine.