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[Barquiel]

jlb524 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I really hope he isn't a mandatory squadmate this time.

I thought you got him killed anyway :innocent:

My canon Shep...yes

But I wanted the achievement   He survived my second playthrough.

Modifié par Barquiel, 06 mai 2011 - 03:57 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Anyway, I believe an "I told you so" is in order.

Also, pics:

[jlb524]

Barquiel wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I really hope he isn't a mandatory squadmate this time.

I thought you got him killed anyway :innocent:

My canon Shep...yes

But I wanted the achievement   He survived my second playthrough.

Oh, who cares about non-canon Sheps!

Anyway, now that you have the achievement, you could go back and replay the SM real quick and get Garrus face-rocketed or something...

[Neria Rose]

Golumfryingeggs wrote...

I have no problem with Ashley or Kaiden. I am ECSTATIC that Garrus is coming back! Worried that Mordin and Legion might only be cameos and utterly terrified I won't see Tali. I like Tali

But Liara?

Um... kinda hoping I can choose to kick her off my team, or drop her on a planet. I reeeeeely don't like her all that much. She was okay in ME1 and in ME2 she just creeped the hell out of me. Maybe it's just that I don't like the Asari, but then again I rather enjoyed Samara. Liara never struck a cord with me, I just never clicked with her at all and I never bothered to do her missions on ME2.

I understand that a lot of people like her and I don't mean to tread on any toes. Just stating my opinion on the matter and hoping Legion, Mordin and Tali will be back on your team

My fingers are crossed. Never have I wanted to kill a video game character as badly as I want to kill this one.

Oh, and to stay on topic, <3 Garrus.

[Asari_Party]

I loved Garrus in ME1. I hoped he would get some good character development in ME2. I couldn't care less whether or not I ever see him again in ME3.

[AdmiralCheez]

Roxy12 wrote...

I loved Garrus in ME1. I hoped he would get some good character development in ME2. I couldn't care less whether or not I ever see him again in ME3.

He had bad character development in ME2?

GARRUS, Y U NO PARAGON?!

Or is this a calibrations-related issue?

Didn't really like Garrus in ME1, to be honest--he was an ass to the rest of the team and all he ever did was agree with you.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 06 mai 2011 - 04:47 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

I think he did have bad character development in ME2. Well, what little there was of it.

I hope he is an optional squadmate. My Shepard does not want him on her squad, but she's not going to go out of her way to get him killed in ME2 either.

[Someone With Mass]

The only thing I thought that was lacking with Garrus in ME2 was dialogues aboard the ship. Other than that, I thought he had some interesting development, going from that cop who wanted to bend the rules a little to the vigilante who said "Screw the rules, I have a sniper rifle!"

[Eradyn]

It's always calibration...guess people just really enjoyed talking to Garrus, because I don't hear other characters getting nearly as much flak for their "out of dialogue" line. . Like..."not big on forcing these talks," or engine repairs or "shouldn't you get back to work," or "I have my tank." Paraphrased, of course, but the point remains...Garrus isn't the only one that suffered it. I'm hoping all the squaddies have more dialogue (and maybe rotating end dialogue like Mordin). Still...Garrus

[AdmiralCheez]

Just throwing it out there, but I don't get this "I hope X is optional" silliness. Seriously, if you don't like the fact that X is on your squad, just never talk to him/her or take him/her on missions.

Not that I have a problem with stuff being optional, but some people are seriously... petty.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Just throwing it out there, but I don't get this "I hope X is optional" silliness. Seriously, if you don't like the fact that X is on your squad, just never talk to him/her or take him/her on missions.

Not that I have a problem with stuff being optional, but some people are seriously... petty.

It's called roleplaying, which shouldn't be that surprising a thing to find in a game that's supposedly still an RPG.  My Shepard would not want Garrus on her squad after all the crap he pulled in ME2.  Hence I'd like an option to continue roleplaying that mindset instead of being forced into bringing him along.

If there's a decent story reason as to why he has to be on the team then fine.  There won't be, since he can be dead and therefore entirely absent, but if it had worked out that way I'd be fine with it.

If you think wanting to maintain consistent lore and characterization is petty then that's your prerogative, but it should be a simple concept to get.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 06 mai 2011 - 05:00 .

[AdmiralCheez]

That was unnecessarily hostile... :c

Listen, there were points where I would have preferred to not recruit Tali or Liara in ME1 for in-character reasons (same with Jack in ME2), so I just roleplayed my Shep as a complete ass to them, never talked to them, and never took them on missions.

It's frustrating when you can't RP just the way you want, but there are ways to work around that. With as limited as Mass Effect's options are in general, I've gotten used to it.  In fact, sometimes the limitations make things interesting--I enjoy challening the P/R system, seeing how much I can toe the line before I start losing options.

Maybe you'd rather have complete freedom, which would be fun for everyone, but I'd rather adapt to the limitations than claim they ruined my roleplaying experience.  I got worked up about having to be nice to Laira in LotSB for a while, but I got over it.  Because, to be honest, being an ass to everyone isn't high on my list of priorities.

You may think differently.  That's cool, but please, don't rage about it.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 06 mai 2011 - 05:07 .

[Eradyn]

There's also the suicide mission~

Problem solved, you have the option. Isn't that nice of BW.

[Alienmorph]

Garrus is confirmed as fulltime squadmate, if survived. This thread and any "uurr... durr... RPG... duuuurrr..." posts are now pointless.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 06 mai 2011 - 05:07 .

[Someone With Mass]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Just throwing it out there, but I don't get this "I hope X is optional" silliness. Seriously, if you don't like the fact that X is on your squad, just never talk to him/her or take him/her on missions.

Not that I have a problem with stuff being optional, but some people are seriously... petty.

Exactly. Just pretend they're not there. Works pretty good between me and Miranda.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Eradyn wrote...
There's also the suicide mission~
Problem solved, you have the option. Isn't that nice of BW.

Doesn't work.  I can't play the suicide mission in character and have Garrus die.  It forces me to make a decision that my Shepard wouldn't have made, and thus is the same situation as being forced to recruit him in ME3.

If he displays an attitude adjustment in ME3 then maybe she'd give him another chance, but he and Tali no longer have her trust.
So of course she will "leave them on the ship" when she can, but that doesn't make it more palatable that they're on the ship to begin with.

[AdmiralCheez]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Doesn't work.  I can't play the suicide mission in character and have Garrus die.  It forces me to make a decision that my Shepard wouldn't have made, and thus is the same situation as being forced to recruit him in ME3.

If he displays an attitude adjustment in ME3 then maybe she'd give him another chance, but he and Tali no longer have her trust.
So of course she will "leave them on the ship" when she can, but that doesn't make it more palatable that they're on the ship to begin with.

You couldn't just skip Garrus' loyalty mission?

I mean, really, if you don't like his whole crazy-rar-grr-revenge-rar, why would you agree to help him pursue it in the first place?

Garrus is not loyal > make Garrus team leader both times and put Tali in the vents > Tali and Garrus die.

[lazuli]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Doesn't work.  I can't play the suicide mission in character and have Garrus die.  It forces me to make a decision that my Shepard wouldn't have made, and thus is the same situation as being forced to recruit him in ME3.

If he displays an attitude adjustment in ME3 then maybe she'd give him another chance, but he and Tali no longer have her trust.
So of course she will "leave them on the ship" when she can, but that doesn't make it more palatable that they're on the ship to begin with.

You couldn't just skip Garrus' loyalty mission?

I mean, really, if you don't like his whole crazy-rar-grr-revenge-rar, why would you agree to help him pursue it in the first place?

Garrus is not loyal > make Garrus team leader both times and put Tali in the vents > Tali and Garrus die.

Thanix cannon.

[AdmiralCheez]

lazuli wrote...

Thanix cannon.

He doesn't have to be loyal to give you that.

[Liec]

I wouldn't mind it if he were optional. The less obligatory characters on the squad the better.

[lazuli]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

lazuli wrote...

Thanix cannon.

He doesn't have to be loyal to give you that.

QUOI?!  Ugh.  Is it like this for all of those upgrades?  You mean to tell me I could have been using Barrier-less Jacob and keeping everyone alive in the SM even before LotSB came out?

[AdmiralCheez]

lazuli wrote...

QUOI?!  Ugh.  Is it like this for all of those upgrades?  You mean to tell me I could have been using Barrier-less Jacob and keeping everyone alive in the SM even before LotSB came out?

Yep.  You can get upgrades from everyone as soon as you recruit them and have the lab up and running.

So recruit Mordin + recruit anyone else = access to character-specific upgrade.

SURPRISE!

[JaerWolfe]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Eradyn wrote...
There's also the suicide mission~
Problem solved, you have the option. Isn't that nice of BW.

Doesn't work. I can't play the suicide mission in character and have Garrus die. It forces me to make a decision that my Shepard wouldn't have made, and thus is the same situation as being forced to recruit him in ME3.

If he displays an attitude adjustment in ME3 then maybe she'd give him another chance, but he and Tali no longer have her trust.
So of course she will "leave them on the ship" when she can, but that doesn't make it more palatable that they're on the ship to begin with.

I can't actually think of any attitude adjustment he would have that would make him acceptable on the ship for my Shep. She wouldn't trust him with feeding the fish in her fish tank. But then, I have no problem letting him die on the SM, either. I chalk him down as acceptable losses. Tali's more of collateral damage since she's never loyal and very squishy.

@lazuli...It's the same for all upgrades. I never do Garrus', Thane's or Jacob's loyalty missions and I still get all their upgrades.

[lazuli]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

lazuli wrote...

QUOI?!  Ugh.  Is it like this for all of those upgrades?  You mean to tell me I could have been using Barrier-less Jacob and keeping everyone alive in the SM even before LotSB came out?

Yep.  You can get upgrades from everyone as soon as you recruit them and have the lab up and running.

So recruit Mordin + recruit anyone else = access to character-specific upgrade.

SURPRISE!

Quelle surprise!  Every day is a school day, I suppose.  This would have come in handy for mining (xbox player).  Well, I'll stop derailing this thread.

I welcome Garrus' return if for no other reason than that someone needs to supply the damage-boosted Overload for the squad.  Does it make me shallow if I'm more excited about the returning squadmates' combat potential than anything else?  I'm looking forward to Kaidan showing up again.  Look at what the Sentinel squadmate was capable of in ME2.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
You couldn't just skip Garrus' loyalty mission?
I mean, really, if you don't like his whole crazy-rar-grr-revenge-rar, why would you agree to help him pursue it in the first place?
Garrus is not loyal > make Garrus team leader both times and put Tali in the vents > Tali and Garrus die.

The only scenario I've heard of that might work would be not recruiting Thane until post SM and not getting the Thanix cannon.  But then going back to recruit Thane becomes a big slap in the face to the game's immersion.
My Shepard doesn't get fed up with Garrus's attitude until during his loyalty mission, so I'd rather not skip it in order to maintain character inegrity.
As for actually getting him killed, I've thought it all out and nothing works.  For the vents she wouldn't trust a geth and doesn't trust Tali after her loyalty mission.  Kasumi is the only option there.  The only Team Leader she'd trust is Miranda. Likewise, Samara is the only logical choice in her mind for the biotic part.  She would also never in a million years trust Garrus to lead her crew (especially Kelly) back to the Normandy.  She would leave him at the door because he is a decent defensive fighter and she'd rather have two people she trusted fully with her at the last leg.

Eh, it's nitpicky, but that's how it is and that's how I have to play it to remain content with my character and her decisions.  The only issue is why Garrus would be part of her squad in ME3, and that's dependent on how they portray him and the reasons for his joining.
As it is now, I remain hoping that he is optional, but it's certainly not a deal breaker either way.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 06 mai 2011 - 05:41 .