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[LittleDoggie]

I'm about 2/3rd through the game (I think)

And so far my entire family has been killed. Two lost to  corruption, and my Mom to a serial killer. And not just killed ... her head was cut off and sewed onto some frankensteins wife like thing! My mage friend killed a little girl (or justice did or whatever). I mean common .... some tragedy is ok but this is getting a tad rediculous ...

whats next my girlfriend and then my dog?

Sheesh who wrote this sick story?

Modifié par LittleDoggie, 10 mars 2011 - 04:24 .

[trh5001]

Actually the dog kills the gf then you gotta put him down old yeller style

Modifié par trh5001, 10 mars 2011 - 04:24 .

[Malja]

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You can save one sibling. That girl survived just fine for me.

[LPPrince]

Is there a way to avoid Leandra's death?

[trh5001]

LPPrince wrote...

Is there a way to avoid Leandra's death?

i honestly dont think there is anything you can do in that situation to avoid it

[LPPrince]

In that case-

Too much familial sacrifice in this game.

I was looking forward to having the family mechanic throughout the game.

Not losing one at the start, another in the first act, then another in the 2nd.

I mean come on. Seriously? Getting old.

[LittleDoggie]

Malja wrote...

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You can save one sibling. That girl survived just fine for me.

You can save the little girl?

I hope so ... If i play through again I'm saving everyone I can. I dont mind some sadness in a game but right now its way to much.

Modifié par LittleDoggie, 10 mars 2011 - 04:56 .

[fantasypisces]

I kind of agree, granted Bethany survived in my game, but the morbidity of leandra's death really irked me.

[Rubyfair]

I was too hoping for more family mechanics in this game, instead Bethany dies, Mother dies, Carver joins the templars, and then treats me like I'm his worst enemy. All of Carvers aggression towards Hawke just isn't justified. He's the most selfish, unreasonable character, when all I wanted was a nice relationship with my baby brother :<

[TheJediSaint]

DA2 is as much a dark fantasy as DA:O. so having bad things happen to good people is to be expected. I think that things seem worse this time around because the nature of the story. In DA:O the bad stuff was happening to Ferelden as a whole.t he sequel on the other hand, is more personal , so the bad stuff tends to happen to you and your immediate family and friends.

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 10 mars 2011 - 08:00 .

[Malja]

I saw the family mechanic as more of a... make you suffer with Hawke mechanic. Not a "We're such a blassed family!" type thing at all. So I suppose I'm less bothered by it. I didn't expect anything else.

[Zalocx]

LittleDoggie wrote...

Malja wrote...

|:,

You can save one sibling. That girl survived just fine for me.

You can save the little girl?

I hope so ... If i play through again I'm saving everyone I can. I dont mind some sadness in a game but right now its way to much.

In my first run I was friends with Anders (but not romancing him), a "sarcastic" personality mage. I got  a spelcial lower left hand wheel option to snap him out of it, though i don't know what exactly trigered that friendship/personality/also being a mage. the girl lived though

[Mikka-chan]

I saved the little girl, too. I had a left lower star option to basically do a "Anders, remember what you're fighting for" deal and he got a hold of himself. I believe the girl sent me a nice letter, too.

And you can save your second sibling, either by not taking them down in to the Deep Roads or by leaving them behind. They're sort of out of the story for a while then, but they do appear on occasion, and they're definitely alive.

[abominare]

This might ruin the ending for you so read at your own risk.

Leandra's death serves as a balancing situation for the main theme of the story especially if you have bethany. Her character uplifts mages for you in a story telling since shes your sister and her plight leads towards a feeling of sympathy towards mages. However by having your own mother be killed by a mage pushes more towards being for the control of mages. You can of course side whichever way regardless however it allows for the story and roleplaying aspect to better justify a much larger choice to be made by hawke.

[Rhayth]

Well Leandra's death really just hit me...and much like many lost my whole family before the end of the game, and I gotta say. All this "It's cool cause you get a family" I was like hell yea', and they were really enjoyable to have around...then within 6 years they all potentially die. I was very disappointed at the inability to not kill them.

[Odd Bet]

If you have Anders with you in the Deep Roads, you can seek out the Wardens to save your sibling.

[Rhayth]

Yea' i know that now, but i'd still like to keep my mother alive. I get they are trying to get you to see the dark side of magic, and have some reason to side with the Templars, but she could have survived the incident, and still be like "THAT STUPID BLOOD MAGE SOB!!!"

[LPPrince]

What gets me is that after my first playthrough(which still isn't finished, as I'm 30 hours in and currently in the 2nd chapter) I don't think I'll care much.

Bethany is.....err, was awesome. My favorite party to bring places is Bethany, Varric, and Isabella.

Then I lose her, so in comes Sebastian. But Seb just isn't as awesome as Beth. Neither is....well, anyone on the team, character wise(as far as I'm concerned).

The fact that she's really only with you for the first chapter is LAAAAAAME.

Then you lose your mom, which seems totally unnecessary.

Come ON.

I would've been okay with either of them living till the end, but not BOTH of them dying or going away(in Bethany's case).

Ahh.......balls.

[LittleDoggie]

thx guys on my next play thru ill save all those peeps .

So a recap as I understand so far.

Carver: Some one implied you could save him but i dont see how (maybe the person was mistaken)
Beth: either dont bring her or bring anders along.
Little Girl: be friendly enuf with with anders to be able to restrain him
Mom: Side with the templars? I hope not cause they kinda suck.

Im glad there is a way to save at least two . If mom cant be saved ... the whole serial killer thing is way over board if u ask me. If she died in a battle or something it wouldnt be so bad.

LD

Modifié par LittleDoggie, 10 mars 2011 - 10:22 .

[sylvanaerie]

I like the way it was written and presented with an aftermath (Gamlen blamed Hawke. Hawke blamed Hawke) and there were a couple of 'grieving' scenes where she didn't seem like doing much and it kind of took the wind out of her sails (and mine). Instead of like in DAO where no one mentions your dead family or offers any sympathy except Wynne in one conversation and Alistair tucked between his crying over Duncan.
Aveline was my favorite companion and stayed with me all through the game. And she had a conversation with my Hawke trying to help her through the grief.
If it had been just like any other game where 'oops well mom's dead, sis is dead, brother thinks you're a sceevy apostate' then I'd have been angry but Carver protects you as best he can in the templars and when the time comes to choose sides, he sides with his sibling.
There were so many shades and undertones to this story that it can truly be appreciated to represent a wonderfully well knit family. Did they have problems? Yes. Were they dysfunctional? Maybe a little. But what family isn't? Did they love each other (even that dick, Gamlen)? Ultimately yes.
It made me cry when it happened but it was powerful storytelling at it's finest, something I hadn't seen before in a game.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 10 mars 2011 - 10:25 .

[Mikka-chan]

LittleDoggie wrote...

thx guys on my next play thru ill save all those peeps .

So a recap as I understand so far.

Carver: Some one implied you could save him but i dont see how (maybe the person was mistaken)
Beth: either dont bring her or bring anders along.
Little Girl: be friendly enuf with with anders to be able to restrain him
Mom: Side with the templars? I hope not cause they kinda suck.

Im glad there is a way to save at least two . If mom cant be saved ... the whole serial killer thing is way over board if u ask me. If she died in a battle or something it wouldnt be so bad.

LD

The sibling who dies to the ogre depends on what class you're playing, and you can't save them.  You can save the second sibling, be they Carver or Bethany, by the same means- leave them behind or make your party Varric, Anders, and Sibling.

As for your mom, I think it just is the way it is.  She apparently got lillies, expected them to be from a suitor, and got herself wrapped up in something ugly.  Horrible thing to happen and a horrible way to go, but I think they were trying to make a statement with that.

[Torilund]

Yea, on my first playthrough (not finished yet) I was right there with you... WTF?! Like, are you trying to drive my character MAD?! Oh, wait... is that the point? Hmm...

Bioware is known for their writing. There simply is no other gaming company out there that puts sooo much time into characters and plot. Bioware doesn't make a typical RPG hack-n-slash game. It has feelings - lots of them. I have never cried over a computer game before DA:O came out. That shocked the snot out of me. And now, in DA2, you don't have the powers of a Grey Warden. You are one of the little people. Your land is still overcome by darkspawn, war, political corruption, personal greed, disease, religious zealotry, etc... how could there NOT be tragedy on a grand scale? And why NOT you? Why would your character be spared when everything around you is falling to sh*t?

So... I guess it makes sense. But, to be honest, I don't like it. I respect it but I don't like it. I play a game to escape the sh*t in my life, not get stressed out by more sh*t in a game. You know? I mean, I can tolerate losing one family member for reasons described above. I can even tolerate my relationship not working out. But, give us ONE story line where things work out! Where not everyone I bloody know turns against me or freakin' DIES. It's too much, Bioware. Too much. When there is NO hope, why play the game?!?!?!?

I will now go play DA:O and romance Alistair for the 30th time so I can have some warm fuzzies before I have to get up, face real life and go to work again tomorrow.

[Melra]

I agree, that losing the whole family was pretty silly. It made me stop playing for while, but it did add something to the story. Next time I'll do things differently and see, if I can save more than one, I doubt you can though.

[sylvanaerie]

you can pick up a secret family member in Act 3 if you do one of the quests who isn't a complete dick to Hawke.

[aleforae]

If I may ask, how do you go about obtaining this secret family member? Finished the game but never got this.