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[expanding panic]

Exiled Eagle wrote...


I want to know what it is before I just hand it out to anyone.

This was my thinking exactly. 

[Whereto]

Keep it

[Seboist]

Kept it for myself.

[RattleSnake08]

So far I have kept it and gave it to Cerberus. I will give it to the alliance on next.

[DarthVadoc]

I always keep the data for myself. I would of given it to the Alliance but considering that Cerberus has agents everywhere i decided to hold onto it for myself. I hope this data has a HUGE impact on ME3 TBH.

[Bad King]

Definitely keep. Information is power. The other two options just make you a lapdog.

[MajesticJazz]

Nodscouter wrote...

Anything helping bring down Cerberus is good. It went to the alliance.

And if Cerberus just happens to still be part of the Alliance?

For Nubia Shepard (see avatar) I gave the data to Cerberus 

For Xul Shepard, he gave the data to the Alliance.

[Tonymac]

I have done all 3. It just depends if I am doing paragon, renegade, paragade, or renegon.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I would like to see the contents of this data have an impact during ME3, but I'm worried it may just be an email.

[Captain Crash]

I gave it to the Alliance on two playthroughs. Kept it on the other two. None of my Sheps so far particularly like Cerberus

Modifié par Captain Crash, 11 mars 2011 - 11:54 .

[Conquerthecity]

I've always given it to the Alliance. But given the OP's reasoning I think I'll keep it next time.

[Quole]

I kept it. Anyone think that perhaps giving it to cerberus should have been the renegade option and keeping it should have been neutral?

Modifié par Quole, 12 mars 2011 - 06:53 .

[Manic Sheep]

Quole wrote...

I kept it. Anyone think that perhaps giving it to cerberus should have been the renegade option and keeping it should have been neutral?

Eh sending it to Cerberus is kind of a good will gesture to the people you’re working with (or because your just pro Cerberus or don’t care I guess). No point creating more tension between you and the guys funding your mission even if you don't hate them. Keeping to use for your own purposes (tho that’s not the only reason you might do it, I would rather know what it is before sending it to anyone) is pretty renegade.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 12 mars 2011 - 07:05 .

[Quole]

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

I kept it. Anyone think that perhaps giving it to cerberus should have been the renegade option and keeping it should have been neutral?

Eh sending it to Cerberus is kind of a good will gesture to the people you’re working with (or because your just pro Cerberus or don’t care I guess). No point creating more tension between you and the guys funding your mission even if you don't hate them. Keeping to use for your own purposes (tho that’s not the only reason you might do it, I would rather know what it is before sending it to anyone) is pretty renegade.

But virtually EVERY other time you betray cerberus or just talk back to them its paragon. Also keeping it for yourself gives you the option in the future of giving it to either side, so why is that renegade? Keeping it for yourself is just prolonging the choice, so if anything THAT should be neutral.

Modifié par Quole, 12 mars 2011 - 07:10 .

[Manic Sheep]

Quole wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

I kept it. Anyone think that perhaps giving it to cerberus should have been the renegade option and keeping it should have been neutral?

Eh sending it to Cerberus is kind of a good will gesture to the people you’re working with (or because your just pro Cerberus or don’t care I guess). No point creating more tension between you and the guys funding your mission even if you don't hate them. Keeping to use for your own purposes (tho that’s not the only reason you might do it, I would rather know what it is before sending it to anyone) is pretty renegade.

But virtually EVERY other time you betray cerberus or just talk back to them its paragon. Also keeping it for yourself gives you the option in the future of giving it to either side, so why is that renegade? Keeping it for yourself is just prolonging the choice, so if anything THAT should be neutral.

And in this case that is still true. The paragon choice is giving it to the alliance. I think renegade dose scream at TIM more often than neutral ( who tends to be apathetic) and also goes on about not trusting TIM quite a bit...well allot of the time anyway, both paragon and renegade seem a little inconsistent with that.

It doesn’t matter really, you can debate witch “should” be paragon renegade and neutral on some of the other choices too. I’m just trying to give a reason why the choices might have been put in those places.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 12 mars 2011 - 07:25 .

[Quole]

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

I kept it. Anyone think that perhaps giving it to cerberus should have been the renegade option and keeping it should have been neutral?

Eh sending it to Cerberus is kind of a good will gesture to the people you’re working with (or because your just pro Cerberus or don’t care I guess). No point creating more tension between you and the guys funding your mission even if you don't hate them. Keeping to use for your own purposes (tho that’s not the only reason you might do it, I would rather know what it is before sending it to anyone) is pretty renegade.

But virtually EVERY other time you betray cerberus or just talk back to them its paragon. Also keeping it for yourself gives you the option in the future of giving it to either side, so why is that renegade? Keeping it for yourself is just prolonging the choice, so if anything THAT should be neutral.

And in this case that is still true. The paragon choice is giving it to the alliance. I think renegade dose scream at TIM more often than neutral ( who tends to be apathetic) and also goes on about not trusting TIM quite a bit...well allot of the time anyway, both paragon and renegade seem a little inconsistent with that.

It doesn’t matter really, you can debate witch “should” be paragon renegade and neutral on some of the other choices too. I’m just trying to give a reason why the choices might have been put in those places.

Well the point is siding with cerberus is renegade. This is established early in the game... so why is this different?

[Manic Sheep]

Quole wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

I kept it. Anyone think that perhaps giving it to cerberus should have been the renegade option and keeping it should have been neutral?

Eh sending it to Cerberus is kind of a good will gesture to the people you’re working with (or because your just pro Cerberus or don’t care I guess). No point creating more tension between you and the guys funding your mission even if you don't hate them. Keeping to use for your own purposes (tho that’s not the only reason you might do it, I would rather know what it is before sending it to anyone) is pretty renegade.

But virtually EVERY other time you betray cerberus or just talk back to them its paragon. Also keeping it for yourself gives you the option in the future of giving it to either side, so why is that renegade? Keeping it for yourself is just prolonging the choice, so if anything THAT should be neutral.

And in this case that is still true. The paragon choice is giving it to the alliance. I think renegade dose scream at TIM more often than neutral ( who tends to be apathetic) and also goes on about not trusting TIM quite a bit...well allot of the time anyway, both paragon and renegade seem a little inconsistent with that.

It doesn’t matter really, you can debate witch “should” be paragon renegade and neutral on some of the other choices too. I’m just trying to give a reason why the choices might have been put in those places.

Well the point is siding with cerberus is renegade. This is established early in the game... so why is this different?

Agreeing with the Cerberus mentality and wanting to join up is renegade, trusting TIM however is not. Even if you do agree with Cerberus if you don’t trust them why would you throw away potential leverage if you inclined to use tactics like that? Even if you did trust them why would a renegade shep throw something away that could be useful to get what he/she wants later on? Renegade Shep is all about having the upper hand, thinks he/she is right all the time and not inclined to do favours (yes I am speaking very generally here, this is mostly from impressions I got from a play through where I picked the bottom option almost every time)
So keeping the data for yourself dose fit renegade.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 12 mars 2011 - 08:48 .

[Quole]

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

I kept it. Anyone think that perhaps giving it to cerberus should have been the renegade option and keeping it should have been neutral?

Eh sending it to Cerberus is kind of a good will gesture to the people you’re working with (or because your just pro Cerberus or don’t care I guess). No point creating more tension between you and the guys funding your mission even if you don't hate them. Keeping to use for your own purposes (tho that’s not the only reason you might do it, I would rather know what it is before sending it to anyone) is pretty renegade.

But virtually EVERY other time you betray cerberus or just talk back to them its paragon. Also keeping it for yourself gives you the option in the future of giving it to either side, so why is that renegade? Keeping it for yourself is just prolonging the choice, so if anything THAT should be neutral.

And in this case that is still true. The paragon choice is giving it to the alliance. I think renegade dose scream at TIM more often than neutral ( who tends to be apathetic) and also goes on about not trusting TIM quite a bit...well allot of the time anyway, both paragon and renegade seem a little inconsistent with that.

It doesn’t matter really, you can debate witch “should” be paragon renegade and neutral on some of the other choices too. I’m just trying to give a reason why the choices might have been put in those places.

Well the point is siding with cerberus is renegade. This is established early in the game... so why is this different?

Agreeing with the Cerberus mentality and wanting to join up is renegade, trusting TIM however is not. Even if you do agree with Cerberus if you don’t trust them why would you throw away potential leverage if you inclined to use tactics like that? Even if you did trust them why would a renegade shep throw something away that could be useful to get what he/she wants later on? Renegade Shep is all about having the upper hand, thinks he/she is right all the time and not inclined to do favours (yes I am speaking very generally here, this is mostly from impressions I got from a play through where I picked the bottom option almost every time)
So keeping the data for yourself dose fit renegade.

yes it is. If it WASNT, then saving the base, preserving project overlord, and generally agreeing with TIM would NOT be renegade.

Also where is it that renegade is apparently about shepard being above everyone else? Being renegade is basically just being a douche. SOME renegade choices are like that but many arent. Siding with cerberus is one for example.

Modifié par Quole, 12 mars 2011 - 08:58 .

[Manic Sheep]

Quole wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

I kept it. Anyone think that perhaps giving it to cerberus should have been the renegade option and keeping it should have been neutral?

Eh sending it to Cerberus is kind of a good will gesture to the people you’re working with (or because your just pro Cerberus or don’t care I guess). No point creating more tension between you and the guys funding your mission even if you don't hate them. Keeping to use for your own purposes (tho that’s not the only reason you might do it, I would rather know what it is before sending it to anyone) is pretty renegade.

But virtually EVERY other time you betray cerberus or just talk back to them its paragon. Also keeping it for yourself gives you the option in the future of giving it to either side, so why is that renegade? Keeping it for yourself is just prolonging the choice, so if anything THAT should be neutral.

And in this case that is still true. The paragon choice is giving it to the alliance. I think renegade dose scream at TIM more often than neutral ( who tends to be apathetic) and also goes on about not trusting TIM quite a bit...well allot of the time anyway, both paragon and renegade seem a little inconsistent with that.

It doesn’t matter really, you can debate witch “should” be paragon renegade and neutral on some of the other choices too. I’m just trying to give a reason why the choices might have been put in those places.

Well the point is siding with cerberus is renegade. This is established early in the game... so why is this different?

Agreeing with the Cerberus mentality and wanting to join up is renegade, trusting TIM however is not. Even if you do agree with Cerberus if you don’t trust them why would you throw away potential leverage if you inclined to use tactics like that? Even if you did trust them why would a renegade shep throw something away that could be useful to get what he/she wants later on? Renegade Shep is all about having the upper hand, thinks he/she is right all the time and not inclined to do favours (yes I am speaking very generally here, this is mostly from impressions I got from a play through where I picked the bottom option almost every time)
So keeping the data for yourself dose fit renegade.

yes it is. If it WASNT, then saving the base, preserving project overlord, and generally agreeing with TIM would NOT be renegade.

No it wouldn't, you don't need to completely trust TIM to agree with him or those choices. Who is who tells joker to keep things in perspective and that you can't trust TIM? renegade. Who is the first to cry foul on the collector ship? renegade again.

[Quole]

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

I kept it. Anyone think that perhaps giving it to cerberus should have been the renegade option and keeping it should have been neutral?

Eh sending it to Cerberus is kind of a good will gesture to the people you’re working with (or because your just pro Cerberus or don’t care I guess). No point creating more tension between you and the guys funding your mission even if you don't hate them. Keeping to use for your own purposes (tho that’s not the only reason you might do it, I would rather know what it is before sending it to anyone) is pretty renegade.

But virtually EVERY other time you betray cerberus or just talk back to them its paragon. Also keeping it for yourself gives you the option in the future of giving it to either side, so why is that renegade? Keeping it for yourself is just prolonging the choice, so if anything THAT should be neutral.

And in this case that is still true. The paragon choice is giving it to the alliance. I think renegade dose scream at TIM more often than neutral ( who tends to be apathetic) and also goes on about not trusting TIM quite a bit...well allot of the time anyway, both paragon and renegade seem a little inconsistent with that.

It doesn’t matter really, you can debate witch “should” be paragon renegade and neutral on some of the other choices too. I’m just trying to give a reason why the choices might have been put in those places.

Well the point is siding with cerberus is renegade. This is established early in the game... so why is this different?

Agreeing with the Cerberus mentality and wanting to join up is renegade, trusting TIM however is not. Even if you do agree with Cerberus if you don’t trust them why would you throw away potential leverage if you inclined to use tactics like that? Even if you did trust them why would a renegade shep throw something away that could be useful to get what he/she wants later on? Renegade Shep is all about having the upper hand, thinks he/she is right all the time and not inclined to do favours (yes I am speaking very generally here, this is mostly from impressions I got from a play through where I picked the bottom option almost every time)
So keeping the data for yourself dose fit renegade.

yes it is. If it WASNT, then saving the base, preserving project overlord, and generally agreeing with TIM would NOT be renegade.

No it wouldn't, you don't need to completely trust TIM to agree with him or those choices. Who is who tells joker to keep things in perspective and that you can't trust TIM? renegade. Who is the first to cry foul on the collector ship? renegade again.

Why is it that whenever a squadmate asks if cerberus can be trusted, the renegade option is ALWAYS defending cerberus?
And wether or not you COMPLETELY agree with TIM is not an issue. The fact is you trust them enough help them and help their goals succeed.

[Manic Sheep]

Quole wrote...

Also where is it that renegade is apparently about shepard being above everyone else? Being renegade is basically just being a douche. SOME renegade choices are like that but many arent. Siding with cerberus is one for example.

Almost all the time? "This is my ship" being one example off the top of my head. "I can do this by myself" and “ you can fall in line or get crushed under my heel but you will not get in my way” being another. Renegade often seems to approach things with the “I will do this despite everyone else and you will do as I say” mentality rather than “I will do this with everyone else”
Not all the time but allot of the time.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 12 mars 2011 - 09:09 .

[Manic Sheep]

Quole wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

I kept it. Anyone think that perhaps giving it to cerberus should have been the renegade option and keeping it should have been neutral?

Eh sending it to Cerberus is kind of a good will gesture to the people you’re working with (or because your just pro Cerberus or don’t care I guess). No point creating more tension between you and the guys funding your mission even if you don't hate them. Keeping to use for your own purposes (tho that’s not the only reason you might do it, I would rather know what it is before sending it to anyone) is pretty renegade.

But virtually EVERY other time you betray cerberus or just talk back to them its paragon. Also keeping it for yourself gives you the option in the future of giving it to either side, so why is that renegade? Keeping it for yourself is just prolonging the choice, so if anything THAT should be neutral.

And in this case that is still true. The paragon choice is giving it to the alliance. I think renegade dose scream at TIM more often than neutral ( who tends to be apathetic) and also goes on about not trusting TIM quite a bit...well allot of the time anyway, both paragon and renegade seem a little inconsistent with that.

It doesn’t matter really, you can debate witch “should” be paragon renegade and neutral on some of the other choices too. I’m just trying to give a reason why the choices might have been put in those places.

Well the point is siding with cerberus is renegade. This is established early in the game... so why is this different?

Agreeing with the Cerberus mentality and wanting to join up is renegade, trusting TIM however is not. Even if you do agree with Cerberus if you don’t trust them why would you throw away potential leverage if you inclined to use tactics like that? Even if you did trust them why would a renegade shep throw something away that could be useful to get what he/she wants later on? Renegade Shep is all about having the upper hand, thinks he/she is right all the time and not inclined to do favours (yes I am speaking very generally here, this is mostly from impressions I got from a play through where I picked the bottom option almost every time)
So keeping the data for yourself dose fit renegade.

yes it is. If it WASNT, then saving the base, preserving project overlord, and generally agreeing with TIM would NOT be renegade.

No it wouldn't, you don't need to completely trust TIM to agree with him or those choices. Who is who tells joker to keep things in perspective and that you can't trust TIM? renegade. Who is the first to cry foul on the collector ship? renegade again.

Why is it that whenever a squadmate asks if cerberus can be trusted, the renegade option is ALWAYS defending cerberus?
And wether or not you COMPLETELY agree with TIM is not an issue. The fact is you trust them enough help them and help their goals succeed.

Sure but not enough to stake your own hide on it and throw away the upper hand, there is a diff and Shep may be defending Cerberus methods but that is not the same as really trusting them not to screw you over. I just gave you two examples showing that renegede does not trust TIM.

[Quole]

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

Also where is it that renegade is apparently about shepard being above everyone else? Being renegade is basically just being a douche. SOME renegade choices are like that but many arent. Siding with cerberus is one for example.

Almost all the time? "This is my ship" being one example off the top of my head. "I can do this by myself" and “ you can fall in line or get crushed under my heel but you will not get in my way” being another. Renegade often seems to approach things with the “I will do this despite everyone else and you will do as I say” mentality rather than “I will do this with everyone else”

theres PLENTLY of quotes that are not like that. see my other post. As well, many of the choices are not about shepard being `above` others, ie. preserving project overlord, saving the collector base, telling miranda to not introduce herself to her sister, betraying tali, ect...
The point is most renegade options are just shepard either being a douche for no reason or siding with cerberus (which is essentially the same thing).

[Quole]

Manic Sheep wrote...




Sure but not enough to stake your own hide on it and throw away the upper hand, there is a diff and Shep may be defending Cerberus methods but that is not the same as really trusting them not to screw you over. I just gave you two examples showing that renegede does not trust TIM.

How are you gaining the upper hand by saving the collector base?All you are doing is helping cerberus and not actually gaining anything yourself.  Even in the final conversation with TIM (if you saved the base), the neutral dialogue option is the untrustworthy one (towards cerberus).

EDIT: By your definition of renegade shepard, the renegade choice at the end of ME2 would have been keeping the base for yourself.
Also, im not meaning to come off as rude in this argument.

Modifié par Quole, 12 mars 2011 - 09:29 .

[lovgreno]

It's nice to have a hold on both the Alliance and Failberus.