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[Manic Sheep]

Quole wrote...

How are you gaining the upper hand by saving the collector base?All you are doing is helping cerberus and not actually gaining anything yourself. Even in the final conversation with TIM (if you saved the base), the neutral dialogue option is the untrustworthy one (towards cerberus).

EDIT: By your definition of renegade shepard, the renegade choice at the end of ME2 would have been keeping the base for yourself.
Also, im not meaning to come off as rude in this argument.

Because you are trying to gain the upper had against the reapers in that case which is a much higher propriety than getting the upper hand over TIM. You can work together against a common enemy and not trust each other. You can’t just keep the base for yourself. What would you do with it? Shep doesn’t have the resources Cerb has. That’s why you end up working for them in the first place
Also not trusting TIM dose not meant you would want to weaken them and stop doing what they are doing if you agree with it. You can like what they are doing and still want to be able to have them by the balls (not that the data would be worth that much but it could help) when push comes to shove in case TIM screws you over personally or you need him to do something.

Quole wrote...
theres PLENTLY of quotes that are not like that. see my other post. As well, many of the choices are not about shepard being `above` others, ie. preserving project overlord, saving the collector base, telling miranda to not introduce herself to her sister, betraying tali, ect...
The point is most renegade options are just shepard either being a douche for no reason or siding with cerberus (which is essentially the same thing).

Some...ok allot of the renegade options are just douchy, some are very self severing, some of the renegade options side with Cerberus (not the same thing), there are a ton of renegade options are just extremely arrogant (above everyone else) and then you get the some like the news reporter (if you don’t punch her in the face) or some of the options around the SM where renegade comes across as more harsh “sacrifice for the greater good" and not particularly douchy.
Sure plenty of choices where ren shep isn't being an arrogant douche. Usually because it just doesn’t come up in that convo.
I’m not sure we are even arguing the same thing here, Do you or do you not think Ren shep is arrogant and sees him/herself as better than others?

Edit: Also not trying to be rude. Sorry if I am I just talk like this normally.
Edit 2: ahhhh I can't type T__T

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 12 mars 2011 - 09:53 .

[mopotter]

One Shepard kept it. Two gave it to Cerberus and all of the others gave it to the Alliance.

[Asheer_Khan]

Heh... during my recent ME 1/ME2 run i decided that this time i will pass failberus data from Kahoku mission in ME 1 to SB (no worries... i am sure that in ME 3 Liara will put them to good use) and keep operative data in ME 2 for myself... since sometimes is good to have fifth ace in sleeve.

One thing which would be really hilarious is revelation that in matter of fact all timmy supporters plays for the wrong team (i don't expect that Bioware will be THAT "evil:devil:"... BUT some hints might suggest that not all is clear on the big stage) .

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 12 mars 2011 - 10:49 .

[Quole]

Manic Sheep wrote...

Quole wrote...

How are you gaining the upper hand by saving the collector base?All you are doing is helping cerberus and not actually gaining anything yourself. Even in the final conversation with TIM (if you saved the base), the neutral dialogue option is the untrustworthy one (towards cerberus).

EDIT: By your definition of renegade shepard, the renegade choice at the end of ME2 would have been keeping the base for yourself.
Also, im not meaning to come off as rude in this argument.

Because you are trying to gain the upper had against the reapers in that case which is a much higher propriety than getting the upper hand over TIM. You can work together against a common enemy and not trust each other. You can’t just keep the base for yourself. What would you do with it? Shep doesn’t have the resources Cerb has. That’s why you end up working for them in the first place
Also not trusting TIM dose not meant you would want to weaken them and stop doing what they are doing if you agree with it. You can like what they are doing and still want to be able to have them by the balls (not that the data would be worth that much but it could help) when push comes to shove in case TIM screws you over personally or you need him to do something.

Quole wrote...
theres PLENTLY of quotes that are not like that. see my other post. As well, many of the choices are not about shepard being `above` others, ie. preserving project overlord, saving the collector base, telling miranda to not introduce herself to her sister, betraying tali, ect...
The point is most renegade options are just shepard either being a douche for no reason or siding with cerberus (which is essentially the same thing).

Some...ok allot of the renegade options are just douchy, some are very self severing, some of the renegade options side with Cerberus (not the same thing), there are a ton of renegade options are just extremely arrogant (above everyone else) and then you get the some like the news reporter (if you don’t punch her in the face) or some of the options around the SM where renegade comes across as more harsh “sacrifice for the greater good" and not particularly douchy.
Sure plenty of choices where ren shep isn't being an arrogant douche. Usually because it just doesn’t come up in that convo.
I’m not sure we are even arguing the same thing here, Do you or do you not think Ren shep is arrogant and sees him/herself as better than others?

Edit: Also not trying to be rude. Sorry if I am I just talk like this normally.
Edit 2: ahhhh I can't type T__T

We are arguing about why siding with cerberus should or should not be the renegade option in this N7 mission. I said it should because siding with cerberus and being an all around douche to everyone else (which is what cerberus essentially is) is what renegade seems to be in this game and not necessarily  `getting the upper hand` on people. The fact is, keeping the data for yourself means you have the option of being paragon or renegade later on, where as giving it to cerberus means you already sided with cerberus and therefore should be renegade.

Also you cant really argue that renegade shepard dosnt trust cerberus because theres dialogue throughout the game that both supports and contradicts that ie:

-Whenever a squadmate asks if cerberus can be trusted, the renegade option always supports that they CAN be trusted.

-When TIM lets you walk into the collector trap, the renegade option is the first to be suspiscious

So... I guess everyone can have there own definition of a renegade shepard? Either a douche that supports cerberus and works for them, or just someone that wants to be better than everyone else. I guess the point is, its not really defined throughout the game. So perhaps we should agree to disagree?

Modifié par Quole, 13 mars 2011 - 01:14 .

[Ty2011]

Alliance ftw.

[Alarieliia]

Gave it to the Alliance on some and kept it on others. Though giving the reasoning that was stated in the Op i'll probably keep it more often.

[Tamcia]

Kept it mostly. There are number of Cerberus spies in Alliance, wouldn't be surprised if they covered it up. Can't trust anyone these days.

[Ahriman]

All of my two Sheps kept it. Paragon didn't give to Alliance because we don't know much about Alliance/Cerberus relationships and Cerberus agents simply can steal it. Renegade kept it to blackmail TIM in future. BTW I would like to see in-game statistic about this quest.

[Doctor Solus]

I gave it to TIM.

[Dave of Canada]

Giving it to the Alliance risks some people from Cerberus sending it back.
Giving it to Cerberus undermines my efforts to keep it.
Giving it to myself risks that somebody from the Normandy SR-2 sends it.

Considering how much #3 is more unlikely than the #1, I kept it. If it has anything useful in it, I sent that to the Alliance instead of trusting them to do it all by themselves.

[InvincibleHero]

Wow even my paragons gave it to Cerberus because your mission in ME2 relies on them. it could have hurt your mission to save human colonies and beat the Collectors. My rengades are going to keep it of course. No way would I send it to the Alliance. No gain and possible neg impact to your mission in ME2.

Also working within Cerberus should mitigate the they all all evil stereotyping.  Many are decent people just earning a paycheck or signing up to save the galaxy or at least humanity. They could actually turn out to be a force for good with some changes.

Modifié par InvincibleHero, 15 mars 2011 - 02:24 .

[Paul.E9190]

Well, now we know why we shouldn't give it to Cerberus. :L

[LuxDragon]

Mine! It's all mine! HAHAHAHA!!!

[Missouri Tigers]

I kept it on the Normandy. No reason to widen the rift between the Alliance and Cerberus any more during a war against the Reapers.

[SJK93]

I took it for myself. I plan to use it in the future, if given the chance.

[Get Magna Carter]

My number 1 Shepard (almost pure paragon) disliked Cerberus too much to give it to them but felt as she was working with them it would be wrong to give it to the alliance so kept it until the truce was over.

Number 2 Shepard (renegade tendencies) had a history of insubordination (against superiors she did not respect) so sent it to the alliance as a gesture of defiance against TIM

[Arbalest7]

Alliance if for no other reason than to help prove my loyalties to the Alliance and Council plus gives Anderson some clout for sticking up for me.

[12MoreMonkeys]

Kept it for leverage/use at my own will (if that happens). I wonder if this will have any tie-in in ME3 with the information on cerberus you can chose to keep, give to the alliance, or give back to cerberus from a side mission in ME1?

Modifié par 12MoreMonkeys, 25 juillet 2011 - 05:26 .

[eternalnightmare13]

Kept it. Won't mean nothing just like the info you have option of selling to the SB agent in ME1.
Nada about that in ME2.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Gave it to Cerberus... don't need another reason to hunt them and don't need to convince the Alliance that Cerberus is an enemy. Plus, Miranda was there and I'd rather not risk Cerberus acting up before the mission was done, lol.

[Seboist]

I kept the data for myself as to not hinder an ally, to see what's on it and to use it as leverage against Cerberus if need be.

[BentOrgy]

Keepsies; I'm sure as hell not giving it to Cerberus, and I don't think the Alliance would do anything useful with it to be honest.

I'll dole it out the faction who I think will be most useful, once I find out what the hell it is. Unless that faction it me, in which case.

Yoho

Modifié par BentOrgy, 26 juillet 2011 - 06:44 .

[Havoc10K]

did the only logical thing to do, kept it EDI is currently working on it

[PAdamskiPL]

Ehhh... think a little. You receive this quest just after start the cereer, considering that TIM is not the last idiot he would not send Shep for such important data. It is just loyalty test.