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[fantasypisces]

If I wouldn't have romanced Anders I would have killed him too, in a heartbeat.

In regards to Meredith, you know she is crazy before you make your choice (you just don't know how crazy she is), so that isn't a surprise. With the circle mages and the Orsino, it all happens AFTER you make your choice.

That's why I felt a bit cheated.

[screwoffreg]

This could be potentially the worst ending of all time or the best set-up ever. Baldurs Gate II ended with a trailer that directly showed that there would be an expansion or sequel of some kind. The difference is there was at least some satisfaction in the ending WITHOUT the expansion where as this game really had none.

With both the Warden AND Champion missing it could be an amazing opportunity to tie DA 1 and 2 together for one mighty cause in either a major Throne of Bhaal like expansion (which was longer than some games these days) or DA 3, which who knows when that will come about.

Or it could just be a major bummer altogether. Dragon Age wasn't meant to be a trilogy like Mass Effect so DA 3 could be about a completely difference subject altogether. My hope is that at least the loose ends from the Warden and Champion's journey get wrapped up somehow.

[shnellegaming]

I don't mind the two endings. Bioware is trying to create two scenarios that are both wrong and you have to choose between them.

The thing I'm mad about is Anders and the fact we don't have any ability to turn him from his crazy insane path. I mean my first run through I romanced Fenris and once I found out about Anders I'm not even going to do any play through romancing him. Whats the point if I can't save him from himself. And I love Anders and Justice. I liked them in Dragon Age Awakenings. I was so stoked about getting to play them again. To be honest the characters I liked in Awakenings are dead and never showed up in this game.

As for the cliff hanger I did feel it was a bit empty.  I wish they would have shown a cutscene showing Hawke in the wildersness or somewhere with their love looking after something just to give us a taste of where they went or something.

Modifié par shnellegaming, 11 mars 2011 - 01:19 .

[yoshibb]

After Anders blew up the Chantry, I just wanted to say to my companions "Look, any of you guys who want to just leave right now and let these idiots sort this out, follow me because I'm out."

[klusps]

Ugh, I only started act II, but after reading most of this, I'm too depressed to continue playing lol I like having sad moments in games because it's a great way to pick up the plot, but this is just a tragedy...

[DanielleTHM]

(SPOILERS)

I was mostly disappointed with Anders blowing up the Chantry. It seemed very out of character for him, just look at how torn up he was for almost killing that mage girl. There certainly were innocent people killed because of that stunt. I let him live though.

With the rest of the mages turning to blood magic and demons in the end, I think I understand why. Imagine if you're cornered, facing certain death, and you have the ability to save yourself through less than savory means, wouldn't you take that chance? Sure they're not thinking of tomorrow, when they're an abomination or being hunted for the use of blood magic, they're thinking of surviving the dose of death coming their way right now.

I wish they had another option though, I spent the game fighting for mages, Fenris(My love interest/rival) betrays me because of it, and for what? So these idiots can become abominations, or a Harvester, when I'm about to save the damn day? Way to have faith in me, mages. Not like I killed an Arishok in one on one combat or anything...

[fantasypisces]

I'm actually thinking about creating another character to side with the templars and try to rival Anders just to give a big middle finger to my first playthrough (even though it will be my cannon run).

[Zalocx]

I killed Anders, partially for my Mage Hawke (I did not fight night and day to make the people of Kirkwall see that mages are just decent human and elves and not monsters waiting to explode for the person who berated violent mages and blood magic through two campaigns to become a monster and explode goddamnit) and partially for Sebastian and the Grand Cleric. That lady was damn reasonable and the only thing close to family that Seb had left

[Autumn Crowe]

I agree. I feel like my Mage Hawke is all alone in Kirkwall - being the only sane, reasonable mage. xP

[fantasypisces]

Zalocx wrote...

I killed Anders, partially for my Mage Hawke (I did not fight night and day to make the people of Kirkwall see that mages are just decent human and elves and not monsters waiting to explode for the person who berated violent mages and blood magic through two campaigns to become a monster and explode goddamnit) and partially for Sebastian and the Grand Cleric. That lady was damn reasonable and the only thing close to family that Seb had left

Yeah, like I said, if I hadn't romanced him, and been in a romance for however long the story was going till then (what six, seven years?) then I would have murder-knifed him for the reason that the entire game i defended mages, then one of them goes and does something so heinous that Kirkwall will be burried in a holy war (exalted march). From an RP perspective, my m!hawke was just so in love with the poor sob that I couldn't knife him.

I'm debating about going back through and breaking up with him, I really can't decide, trying to figure out what I would do in real life, which is exceptionally freaking hard.

[Autumn Crowe]

Yeah, like I said, if I hadn't romanced him, and been in a romance for however long the story was going till then (what six, seven years?) then I would have murder-knifed him for the reason that the entire game i defended mages, then one of them goes and does something so heinous that Kirkwall will be burried in a holy war (exalted march). From an RP perspective, my m!hawke was just so in love with the poor sob that I couldn't knife him.

I'm debating about going back through and breaking up with him, I really can't decide, trying to figure out what I would do in real life, which is exceptionally freaking hard.

I romanced Anders and my f!HawkeMage broke up with him at the end.  She was a big advocate for Mages' Rights and then he comes along and does something that could make the treatment of Mages worse in a time when resolve between the Templars and the Mages (at least everyone but Meredith), seemed like it might happen.  Instead of using Kirkwall as an example to show that it could be done and the mages didn't have to be treated like crap, he blew up the Chantry and then all the Templars backed out of their alliance with the mages and then the mages went insane. 

So my f!Hawke was a little upset with him for blowing the opportunity to have a more peaceful rights movement. >>

[SnakeSNMF]

cyrusthefox wrote...

I face palmed... Now in a new game, time to side with the Templars..

Summed up 'wot I am doing right now.

[cainx10a]

Bottom-line is, no matter who wins the war, the world will go down the drain for the losers. Mages and Templars simply cannot compromise. The Tevinter imperium seems to be the perfect example of what will happen if the Mages win.  Even with benevolent guardians, blood mages are still a threat that are simply too damn powerful to deal with. There are way too many cases of good mages turning into blood mages out of desperation, sure, I get it, my Hawke is a blood mage, but thanks to a ****ty skillset he is as much a threat to a low level enemy as he is to himself, while blood mages like Denerius' girl would kill non-magic users on a whim, just because she can. Do you honestly want your citizens to be whisked away so that some Blood Mage noble could piece together his dead wife from ages ago?

Again, my main character, in both DA:O, and DA2 is a Mage, a good little man helping others in need irrespective of height, gender, or ear-size, but the mages I have had to deal with in DA 2 just makes my stomach churn. The templars, in all their fanatical devotion to non-existent god, and their duties, are sadly right in doing so. While there may be good mages, the few bad apples are more than enough to cause a large-scale catastrophy. (Thanks Anders).

I did want to murder Anders if it weren't for the fact that he was my party healer (can't believe a game mechanic would get in the way of storytelling like that), but all those mages who died during the endgame, their blood is on his hand.
Oh well, next playthrough, gonna side with the Templar. 

[darkrose]

leggywillow wrote...

I was actually really impressed by how Bioware made siding with the templars seem like a viable option.  Before the game released, I (and probably many others) thought "Pssh, of course I'll side with the mages.  Who doesn't love the oppressed underdogs?"

But they gave you a TON of reasons to role-play a Hawke that's against them.  I think the templars still came across as a little too "MWAHAHA", but they really didn't shy away from showing just how dangerous the mages could be, especially with Hawke almost killing herself under the influence of a blood mage, the sadness with Leandra, and Anders doing his epic fail.

 
I'm all about the spoilers, and in this case, it's a good thing. Even though it may not have quite the same "WTF?!" feeling when I get to the end, for the first time, I really feel like I want to get to the end to see how it plays out, rather than because I'm a completist. And I'm excited, because I honestly have no idea how I'll choose when I get to that point with my mage Hawke. I can see justifications either way; I'll just have to play to the end.

[NKKKK]

Ironically the Mage/Templar resistance against Meredith was a highly cohesive unit...even Anders was like....wow

That's how it should be.

[upsettingshorts]

If they gave either choice a neat and satisfying conclusion it would be doing a disservice to the narrative.

It's supposed to be muddy. That's why it's the flashpoint for revolution .

[NKKKK]

Anyways, it's obvious Dragon Age 2 isn't the grand tale I was hoping.

Maybe Dragon Age 3

[upsettingshorts]

NKKKK wrote...

Anyways, it's obvious Dragon Age 2 isn't the grand tale I was hoping.

The beginning of a revolution isn't grand enough for ya?

[NKKKK]

The beginning? No.

I'll probably be satisified when I see Flemeth killing the Maker in the Black City and having to fight her. then I'll say...holy ****...

Modifié par NKKKK, 11 mars 2011 - 04:29 .

[leggywillow]

darkrose wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

I was actually really impressed by how Bioware made siding with the templars seem like a viable option.  Before the game released, I (and probably many others) thought "Pssh, of course I'll side with the mages.  Who doesn't love the oppressed underdogs?"

But they gave you a TON of reasons to role-play a Hawke that's against them.  I think the templars still came across as a little too "MWAHAHA", but they really didn't shy away from showing just how dangerous the mages could be, especially with Hawke almost killing herself under the influence of a blood mage, the sadness with Leandra, and Anders doing his epic fail.

 
I'm all about the spoilers, and in this case, it's a good thing. Even though it may not have quite the same "WTF?!" feeling when I get to the end, for the first time, I really feel like I want to get to the end to see how it plays out, rather than because I'm a completist. And I'm excited, because I honestly have no idea how I'll choose when I get to that point with my mage Hawke. I can see justifications either way; I'll just have to play to the end.

I know, it's a legitimately hard decision.  I'll have to replay the game quite a few times to play out all the endings I want.

My "canon" Hawke is a sweet but smart-assed rogue whose decision was easy because it was ultimately selfish.  The only thing she cares about is protecting her family and by this point, Bethany and Anders are all she has left.  She'll defend them no matter what, and damn the consequences.  She really didn't give a crap about the mages vs. templars debate.

I also want a mage Hawke who is militantly pro-mage.  I also want to play a mage Hawke who rival-mances Fenris but ultimately admits that her kind are dangerous and sides with the templars.  And then a warrior who rival-mances Anders and doesn't trust mages.  Argh!  It's too complicated!

Modifié par leggywillow, 11 mars 2011 - 04:29 .

[namedforthemoon]

I agree with everything said. I felt totally duped siding with the mages, And I sided with the mages because I was trying to protect my sister.


But who laughed when Meredith started waving that giant sword around and it sounded like a lightsabre?

[upsettingshorts]

NKKKK wrote...

The beginning? No.

To each his own.  I think those are the most fascinating parts of revolutions - real or fictional.   At some point after the inexorable force of history positions itself in the driver's seat and the outcome is inevitable.  The beginning - that's when the decisions are made and the big risks are taken.  It's the part that takes the most courage, the most conviction. 

[maselphie]

Wow. I'm glad I'm not the only person who felt ... so emotional about this.

DanielleTHM wrote...

(SPOILERS)

I was mostly disappointed with Anders blowing up the Chantry. It seemed very out of character for him, just look at how torn up he was for almost killing that mage girl. There certainly were innocent people killed because of that stunt. I let him live though.

It WAS out of character! It was Justice! But by the end, there is no distinction between the two. My F!Hawke wasn't in love with the same man anymore.

I chose to stay, simply because I would always wonder what would've happened if I did.

Modifié par maselphie, 11 mars 2011 - 04:39 .

[JoshMeinzer]

I didn't feel cheated exactly, but some things didn't make sense.  Orsino's sudden change to blood magic right in the end felt forced, and was one of the few poorly written moments of the game.  It didn't need to happen, and unlike other great "What the hell?" moments, it was confusing and detracted from the tale.

Anders' move was shocking, but fit the story.  The Chantry had numerous opportunities to step in and choose a side, and in turn, both the Circle and Templars had legitimate arguments of reason with the Grand Cleric, which only served to drag the situation on and on until the suffering became excruciating.

Anders removed the obstacle, and forced us once and for all to make a decision.  It was a shock, it was terrorism in a way, it made me just stare at the screen and go "What the hell did you JUST DO?!", but in the end, it was a great story turn.

Modifié par JoshMeinzer, 11 mars 2011 - 05:04 .

[upsettingshorts]

JoshMeinzer wrote...

It was a shock, it was terrorism in a way

And that way is "precisely."  Textbook case of it, actually.  It was politically motivated violence intended to escalate conflict that didn't differentiate between combatants and noncombatants, because such actions - and indeed in Anders' case as well - usually don't draw a distinction between them.

He even used some of the same phrases real terrorists have  to justify and explain their actions, such as raising the stakes and making people see there is no longer any choice - sides must be chosen, a reckoning is at hand. 

Of course, terrorism is a tactic not a way of life.  Revolutionaries that have come to be supported or viewed by history as good people have resorted to the same.  Is Anders a terrorist or a revolutionary?  He is both, but certainly not neither.  Depending on your perspective his role as one may outweigh his guilt as the other.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 mars 2011 - 04:44 .