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[Lil Ianiro]

I played through the game twice so far, one with mages and one with templars. Mages are just downright cheap. I mean i had to reload the game like 2 times, and when i did beat it only me and avelina were alive with like 5-8 health potions gone.

[GRX Dragon]

Malja wrote...

Sjofn wrote...

You know, given how the Templar lady is completely insane, I'm gonna go ahead and assume siding with the Templars is also going to be ... depressing.

I only sided with the mages my first time through because I wound up really liking Anders and romancing him, PLUS I felt all protective of poor Bethany. The ending made me want to cry. But in a good way, really.

Makes the whole "Alistair dumped me!" thing from DA:O seem lighthearted and adorable though.

Lol! I felt kinda derped from it as a templar sympathizer actually. "They aren't all bad. But you're MAKING me choose so hell I'll do it", then you see all that. So it's really anyone who didn't adopt that cynical viewpoint.

Although I was more of a mage sympathizer, I had the same general mindset... I really felt after a few mages resorted to blood magic that when forced to choose between the Circle and Templars, it was just a "I don't want to choose damnit... but if I must, I'll choose the Magi since the Templars technically provoked the Magi" action.


Ultimately, while I agree with the OP's assessment, I understood that they had to revert to blood magic tactics. So I felt Anders, while doing the wrong thing for the right reasons, would need to be sacrificed by my own character as the only neutral faction at this point in time. (Not to mention, the magi generally resonate with me as a libertarian, so there's the political angle too. I don't care how powerful one "can" be, only that they should be punished IF AND WHEN they coerce someone.)

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

I was kinda upset but it's because of the Templars pushing and pulling that caused all this the first enchanter only resorted too blood magic after being backed in a corner. Besides I like using blood magic >

[DaeBlackheart]

Yeah, I was furious when the First Enchanter made himself a Harvester! I tend to invest in RPGs a lil emotionally, get attached to some favorite companions/characters, etc... so when things like this happen it usually angers me, glad to see I wasnt the only one LoL

[Nimander]

They set it up pretty well with a few codexes, though I think they should have put more into it outside exposition. Some codexes go into detail how the barrier to the Fade is 'thinner' in the city, and so forth. So it makes sense that mages under stress would fall to demons more. The Templars basically set it up by accident, though in another place fewer would have fallen.

I do, however, think that they went a little overboard with the amount of Blood Mages in the end scenes. It'd have been nice not having to fight through hordes of Mage-Abominations and so on. And the First Enchanter was way over the top.

Modifié par Nimander, 12 mars 2011 - 02:19 .

[Aynslie]

My reaction was "Damn I guess all mages WILL turn to blood magic and demons!" I was a bit disappointed at first because I played my game the same noble/understanding/sticking up for mages way and it was like a slap in the face. Almost expected Fenris to say "I told you so."

But I also think the mages were acting in duress. I mean the Templars were following a nut case who was severely oppressing them, and then invoked the right of annulment on the circle when it was an apostate who destroyed the chantry ( I don't quite understand why Anders did that...but...whatever). Anyway, not every mage is a blood mage but the majority will turn to it to stay alive when being slaughtered by Templars, whom they wouldn't otherwise have the power to fight.

Personally I have to agree with Merrill. I don't think the Blood Magic is evil, but is just feared because then the Templars wouldn't be able to control the Circle Mages.

Also, does only the Circle in Fereldan have the Litany? If the Templars were so frightened of Blood Mages you would think they would have mass produced that Litany.

[DaeBlackheart]

Shhhh! No need to bring logical solutions into this, it would have TOTALLY killed the plotline LoL

Aynslie wrote...

Also, does only the Circle in Fereldan have the Litany? If the Templars were so frightened of Blood Mages you would think they would have mass produced that Litany.

[QwibQwib]

I just finished the game and...i don't regret siding with the mages, Meredith was totally INSANE lol

[HarlequinKing]

:double post, sorry:

Modifié par HarlequinKing, 12 mars 2011 - 05:22 .

[HarlequinKing]

So.... I just finished the game. I fought for the mages, but only after executing Anders, despite how Justice is/was my favorite companion of the whole series. But then, after what happened with First Enchanter Orsino, I'm thinking he had a hand in Hawke's mother's death.... and I regretted it all. Fighting for the templars next time.

Anyway, by now my Warden, Prince-Consort Cousland, has probably received reports about the events in Kirkwall and is petitioning the Divine in Orlais for permission to lead an Exalted March against Kirkwall. He was a devout Andrastian who gave up his relationship with Leliana only for the good of the kingdom. He's coming back, with a vengeance.

[LobselVith8]

QwibQwib wrote...

I just finished the game and...i don't regret siding with the mages, Meredith was totally INSANE lol

I don't regret siding with the mages, either. Anders wanted to see the emancipation of his people from a system he saw as slavery, and he acted to free them, while Meredith wanted to murder innocent mages because of the actions of one man. As a result of what Anders did, the other Circles across Thedas can free themselves from the Chantry and the Order of Templars.

[Espurr]

I had such a hard time deciding who to side with, knowing what happens. But I realized that it made far more sense for my character to side with the mages. SHE doesn't know what Orsino is going to do, and in my mind my Hawke was very close to Bethany and would see siding against the mages as a betrayal to her sister. Plus, Meredith is a psycho.

I honestly would have been much more inclined to side with the Templars if not for the whole Right of Annulment deal, because I do think they had a right to thoroughly investigate the situation, but I could never justify killing everyone for the deeds of a smaller group.

[Espurr]

whoops double post. D'oh!

Modifié par ToastPants, 12 mars 2011 - 05:59 .

[Harorrd]

Anders the Terrorist,

All my hard work trying to tell mages that Blood magic is not the answer, And what do i get? They all use blood magic in the end to transform into a fleshmonster and summoning deathrays from the sky killing even more civilians

[PickledGear]

If it wasn't for the pure lyrium idol driving her nuts Meredith has a conscious and she just puts her religion over her mind but she still had one. She even shows that its killing her on the inside doing it but there was no other way. I have to agree with her on that. Blood mages won't walk out in a line up and say "I'm a blood mage!" so the only option is to pretty much kill all also the threat of annulment could scare some mages into exposing their blood mage friends.

Then the lyrium idol just drove her insane, but she still fought it in a way. Midway through the fight with her she starts to question her sanity but then the idol pushes again and she loses to it. Just like bartrand.

[JamesWebster]

Okay. so i just complested the game for the first time... just now. i was a mage male hawke, i tried to be good, stick to my families beliefs i did everything i could to stop bloodshed, so i was basically a compassionate diplomat kind of person.

I romanced with isablella (obviously) I tried to help merril put back the elvuian... big mistake.
so long story short... i sided with the templars. only to feel very, very saddened. i didnt want to kill anders, i wanted him to run and maybe find some way to get justice out of him, he was my favourite in Awakenings reminded me of a han solo sort of guy.

Siding with the templars would not have been my first choice, considering i was a mage, but i read into a little bit of what would happen.. and i found this thread, so my first thought was "Siding with mages, bad idea." i really wanted to side with the mages but most of my companions were against it, i dont blame them either, knowing the first enchanter used blood magic to try and kill us all just made me look bad for defending him,

However! siding with the templars wasn't good either right? I mean, all the mage circles are like rebelling now right? Soooo that = bad? so my QUESTION is... what happens to the circles if i side with the mages, just so i know what to expect on my second playthrough, im already shocked as it is.

[SpartanD301]

I just beat the game yesterday and I was almost angry at it because I was a male rogue and also stood for my family and with my sister (who was taken by the templars because i left her at home while i went on the expedition) and then the mages where very oppressed so since my sister was a mage I defended them through the entire game and romanced merrill and isabella (woot) but felt cheated at the end. The circles still rebel because of anders blowing up the chantry (WTF) and the blood magic is still used by the first enchanter. No matter how diplomatic i was.

[LobselVith8]

JamesWebster wrote...

However! siding with the templars wasn't good either right? I mean, all the mage circles are like rebelling now right? Soooo that = bad? so my QUESTION is... what happens to the circles if i side with the mages, just so i know what to expect on my second playthrough, im already shocked as it is.

I liked the ending when I sided with the mages. Merrill, Anders, Aveline, and Varric sided with me. I convinced Fenris to side with me later on when I referenced the Circle as slavery. I kept Anders with me, and Sebastian left because of that decision. In the end, the other Circles across Thedas are inspired by the act of defiance made by Hawke and the Circle mages of Kirkwall, and free themselves from Chantry and templar control. Cassandra wants Hawke to basically talk all the mages down because he's a symbol of revolution, but he's disappeared with his LI.

[Gavinthelocust]

What Anders did made sense, it was an atrocity but it made sense. Mages turning to blood magic when the war starts, makes sense if a bit extreme. Orsino on the other hand suddenly goes axe crazy and turns into a Harvester(a feat very impossible and unexplained) for no good reason. Up to that point he was a charismatic leader who wanted the best for everyone and was on my side, then suddenly not only does he one wing angel on me, he betrays me for no reason whatsoever. Seemingly this is only because they wanted to fit in the Harvester at the last moment because as far as I know they didn't appear anywhere else.

[KenKenpachi]

Not really as a Mandalorian...err Templar, I never Trusted the Jeti,err Jedi, damn it the Mages. No one should have that sort of power.

As to the enchanter turning on you, power can corrupt the best of us.

[Augustei]

Well consideriing siding with the Templars makes them all side with me when their leader trys to betray me, and then they all bow to me at the end and I become Viscount.. I knew I was siding with them.. Plus their theme song. Its so BADASS!!! and hearing Cassandra say "He commands the respect of the templars" or something like that.. sounds awesome

They sided with me even though I was a Apostate Maleficar.. My brother might have had something to do with it though, being one and all. =D

[Sjofn]

Aynslie wrote...

Personally I have to agree with Merrill. I don't think the Blood Magic is evil, but is just feared because then the Templars wouldn't be able to control the Circle Mages. 

It's also feared because it's kind of gross. 

[Darth Obvious]

Yeah, the end was really disappointing. Anders and the First Enchanter pretty much ruined any possibility of a satisfying end to the story. Totally lame.

[InTheBick]

on the part where it shows seeker and leliana are talking saying both heros have disappeared is probably leading up to some giant series finish where two different heroes the warden and champion fight against the biggest threat the dragon age world has ever seen. and on the ending when anders blew the chantry up it was a total wtf moment i mean that was a giant surprise

[Taiyama]

David Gaider wrote...

I wrote Fenris, yes. And his arguments about what happens when "the mages are in charge of themselves" are, in my mind, pretty effective with regards to those people who argue that Tevinter has it so much better. You'd be hard-pressed to find many mages there who weren't already on top of the pile who might agree... but such is human nature.

That's absurd. Tevinter isn't what happens when mages are in charge of themselves. Tevinter is what happens when mages are in charge of everyone. Advancing that argument is like looking at the barbarism of modern day African governments and saying "This is what happens when Africans are in charge of themselves." There's an overriding factor: the state. The state is the territorial right to initiate force (a definition, if you're curious, I got from the book "Guns, Germs, and Steel"). Almost anyone placed in a position that powerful is going to abuse it; mages are no different. The fact that mages given the morally dubious right to aggress against others routinely engage in such aggression does not mean that mages are evil and cannot control themselves.