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[Skemte]

Solo80 wrote...

The Last Roman wrote...

I actually like DA2 better than DAO. I couldn't stand DAO.

Snippety

See, THIS is the problem - DA2 seems designed on purpose to only cater to those who disliked DA:O, which is quite possibly one of the weirdest moves I've seen from a professional developer ever. If Origins hadn't sold well, this would have been understandable, but from what I've seen and heard, it sold way better than Bioware's own expectations.

The "nerd rage" and "hate" you're seeing and complaining about is simply disappointment from fans of the original game, people who've been active members of these forums for years. Bioware seems to have deliberately set out to alienate us, and lo, they have succeeded.

What really astounds me, though, is the commonly repeated notion that we shouldn't have expected Dragon Age 2 to play anytyhing like Dragon Age: Origins, "because it isn't DA:O 2". Neither was "The Dark Knight" called "Batman Begins 2", but can you imagine the reviews if they'd changed all the actors, had Shia Lebeuf play Batman ("since he's popular with the younger crowd"), set the whole movie in a brightly lit Miami, and added nipples and "awesomeness" to the bat suit?

This is what Bioware has done.

  Except I liked DA1, and like DA2..   Which completely contradicts your entire argument.

[Catherine Wayne]

If people do not like the game, they have all the rights to say it loud.
The "evil secret organization" you're talking about comes from a gamers board, they are players, they like videogames just like you, and who are you to say that their opinion is wrong? Wash your mouth next time you write ****s.

[Damariel]

hmmm little odd (this review)... but as always this is only one opinion... I will judge when I will play myself

[TEWR]

I'd like to say that DA2 is giving a lot more info into the Dragon Age lore, especially with all the redesigned races.

Dwarves didn't really change in appearance, so they don't count. But the elves and Qunari have and look awesome. Honestly, all Origins had were two races who were either shorter or larger than humans, respectively. That and the pointy ears were the only difference, which didn't feel right for a world that said the races were supposed to be different. Granted Origins was the first game in the DA saga and they didn't expect it to be such a huge success, but still.

The elves now match how they were described. Smaller, more slender with their ears a lot more pointy. My only problem is that most seem to have the same weird looking nose. Kinda creepy.

As for the Qunari getting horns and your hating on them Kordaris, Dworken Glavonak had said they were ashen skinned in Awakening, so the skin tone shouldn't be a problem for you. As for the horns, why do horns automatically make them demonic to you? Are buffalo demonic because they have horns? or any other thing with horns? I'd just like to know why you think that they're demonic.

[Kurt M.]

Solo80 wrote...

The Last Roman wrote...

I actually like DA2 better than DAO. I couldn't stand DAO.

Snippety

See, THIS is the problem - DA2 seems designed on purpose to only cater to those who disliked DA:O, which is quite possibly one of the weirdest moves I've seen from a professional developer ever. If Origins hadn't sold well, this would have been understandable, but from what I've seen and heard, it sold way better than Bioware's own expectations.

The "nerd rage" and "hate" you're seeing and complaining about is simply disappointment from fans of the original game, people who've been active members of these forums for years. Bioware seems to have deliberately set out to alienate us, and lo, they have succeeded.

What really astounds me, though, is the commonly repeated notion that we shouldn't have expected Dragon Age 2 to play anytyhing like Dragon Age: Origins, "because it isn't DA:O 2". Neither was "The Dark Knight" called "Batman Begins 2", but can you imagine the reviews if they'd changed all the actors, had Shia Lebeuf play Batman ("since he's popular with the younger crowd"), set the whole movie in a brightly lit Miami, and added nipples and "awesomeness" to the bat suit?

This is what Bioware has done.

Most sane comment I've seen so far.

[Solo80]

Haexpane wrote...

There is nothing secret or or orgnaized about /b/ it's just a bunch of sad d00chebags.

Hah! Bet you can't triforce

Seriously, though, I check /b/ from time to time, for the lulz, and I haven't seen anything there to indicate a raid on DA: 2, organised or otherwise. If you'd actually bothered to check the reviews, you would have seen that most of them have obviously played the game, or have researched it enough to make valid points about how it actually plays (including spoilers) - and we both know that most of the /b/-crowd wouldn't have bothered to do that much, if any, research.

What scares me, though, is that Bioware might blame the poor reviews on 4chan, completely ignoring the valid points most of them raise.

[TEWR]

Skemte wrote...

Solo80 wrote...

The Last Roman wrote...

I actually like DA2 better than DAO. I couldn't stand DAO.

Snippety

snipped the fail argument.

  Except I liked DA1, and like DA2..   Which completely contradicts your entire argument.

Same. Origins to me was just amazing. I fell in love with the lore, the land, the characters, the variety of everything. It truly felt like a fantasy world I would enjoy living in, even if I would have to guard myself from demons, darkspawn, bandits, templars, soldiers, and angry mobs of random people. But it would be worth it.

DA2 has made me fall in love with the DA universe even more so.

so to say that people who like DA2 are the ones who hated Origins is sheer folly.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 10 mars 2011 - 09:29 .

[Catherine Wayne]

Solo80 wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

There is nothing secret or or orgnaized about /b/ it's just a bunch of sad d00chebags.

Hah! Bet you can't triforce

Seriously, though, I check /b/ from time to time, for the lulz, and I haven't seen anything there to indicate a raid on DA: 2, organised or otherwise. If you'd actually bothered to check the reviews, you would have seen that most of them have obviously played the game, or have researched it enough to make valid points about how it actually plays (including spoilers) - and we both know that most of the /b/-crowd wouldn't have bothered to do that much, if any, research.

What scares me, though, is that Bioware might blame the poor reviews on 4chan, completely ignoring the valid points most of them raise.

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[Nashiktal]

The problem with all the reviews of the game is how they are reviewing.

As a game on its own I see almost nothing wrong with it. Its a bit linear, but nowhere close to some of the other rpg's out there. It has fast and frantic combat, but it did little to change how "tactical" the game is. (Now ability to keep up with the combat is something else) It's camera is also a bit annoying.

I have seen games have all these complaints and worse, and still receive 7-8's in reviews all around the board. The only reason I can see for this "bioware hating fever" is because they didn't get the game they wanted.

Is that a valid complaint? Yes.
Does that mean DA2 is a bad game? No.

The people hating the game are not *reviewing* the game. They are venting their frustration. We need proper reviews, that judge the game based on its individual merits.

[Solo80]

Skemte wrote...

Solo80 wrote...

The Last Roman wrote...

I actually like DA2 better than DAO. I couldn't stand DAO.

Snippety

Even more snippety

  Except I liked DA1, and like DA2..   Which completely contradicts your entire argument.

I'm curious - exactly what part of my argument does the fact that some DA:O fans like DA 2 completely contradict? I try to avoid generalisations in my posts, and I don't think I ever said that all DA: O fans hated DA 2, just that the ones giving it bad reviews on Metacritic and Amazon seem to mostly be fans of the original.

Hey, some people like nipples on their batsuits. I don't judge.

[Catherine Wayne]

Do you know what "Increasing success by lowering expectations" means? No? Well, Bioware sure doesn't...

[Garak2]

Nashiktal wrote...

The problem with all the reviews of the game is how they are reviewing.

As a game on its own I see almost nothing wrong with it. Its a bit linear, but nowhere close to some of the other rpg's out there. It has fast and frantic combat, but it did little to change how "tactical" the game is. (Now ability to keep up with the combat is something else) It's camera is also a bit annoying.

I have seen games have all these complaints and worse, and still receive 7-8's in reviews all around the board. The only reason I can see for this "bioware hating fever" is because they didn't get the game they wanted.

Is that a valid complaint? Yes.
Does that mean DA2 is a bad game? No.

The people hating the game are not *reviewing* the game. They are venting their frustration. We need proper reviews, that judge the game based on its individual merits.

This game is a sequel and is going to be compared to DAO.  

[Siansonea]

Don't care. I am making up my own mind, and so far I like it well enough. I won't really know what I think of the game until after I complete my first playthrough, but so far so good. But I come to DA2 with zero baggage and zero expectations. I have a feeling that many of the naysayers wanted a game that was identical to Dragon Age Origins. Well, there already is a game like that, it's called Dragon Age Origins. Play that game if you want. And feel free to point out the things you don't like, but just know that too much rancor just makes you look like a sullen loser with too much free time.

[keginkc]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

[Same. Origins to me was just amazing. I fell in love with the lore, the land, the characters, the variety of everything. It truly felt like a fantasy world I would enjoy living in, even if I would have to guard myself from demons, darkspawn, bandits, templars, soldiers, and angry mobs of random people. But it would be worth it.

DA2 has made me fall in love with the DA universe even more so.

so to say that people who like DA2 are the ones who hated Origins is sheer folly.

I finished every achievement in the game, finished it completely twice (mage and warrior), bought and played all the dlc.  I don't spend hundreds of hours on something I hate.  Well, except for my ex wife, but that's a different thread.

Were there things I didn't like about Origins?  Sure.  Some of it was tedius.  Namely the circle/fade and the deep roads.  That's the reason I didn't ever do a rogue play of the game in fact, paired with the fact that playing a rogue felt almost exactly like playing a dual wield or bow warrior.  I just didn't want to slog through all that again.  But I loved my initial play of the game, loved my warrior play of the game, recommended it wildy to everybody I knew, and have continued talking to people about it and helping folks new to the game to this day.

Suffice to say I don't hate Origins.  At all.  I'll play it again sometime, down the line, probably as a lead in to DA3.

I love Dragon Age 2 so far.  Is it different in some ways?  Sure.  But not enough that it's not Dragon Age anymore.  Not to mention that virtually all of the differences are ones that I like.  

Not to say that it doesn't have its flaws.  Just like Origins.  And I am only 15 hours into the game so far, and have many, many hours yet to go (I'm only halfway to level 8, playing on Nightmare).  Maybe my impressions will change by the time I finish.

That's just my opinion of the game.  I'm not trying to tell anybody they're wrong if they don't like it, or trying to change anybody's minds.  I'm not much for proselytizing, and I don't need other folks to validate my own love for the game. 

But it is, I guess, what my "review" of the game would be, so far.  Maybe I should go post it on Amazon.

Modifié par keginkc, 10 mars 2011 - 09:40 .

[rob_k]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Amazon reviewers are notorious for deliberate 1 star ratings without justification or thought.

Rating PC games down that use Steam DRM because they got the game a day early and couldn't install it immediately springs to mind.

As for people venting and criticising the game,

I honestly don't see the problem. I've probably played between 5 - 7 hours of the PS3 version (certainly below ten) and I don't think I'm anywhere near halfway through act 1 at the moment (I've been reading the codex entries as well and only had a little break for a short while while leaving it on). I only have 10g saved up for the expedition when 50g is needed.

So, while I've not completed the game and because I do own it, I feel justified in saying it feels like Origins outside of speeded up combat and flashier animations with the exception of tapping x to attack, which is what I've said all along (this is only pertaining to the game's combat, because yes, inventory system and such is obviously different but it doesn't bother me). I'm enjoying it and I honestly don't see the problem.

Another thing that confuses me is that people are content to register their Mass Effect 2 and DA: O copies, yet they criticise the game and don't register their own copy of DA 2.

I'm not saying you can't post negatively without registering but... if you've registered the other games, it makes sense you'd register DA 2 so you can at least post in the other forums even if you don't enjoy the game.

For your information as well, I've been playing on hard and while I had a rough patch in the merc quest to get into Kirkwall, I've been fine difficulty wise though I've had a few wipes due to being careless. 

The game's a lot better when not played on normal basically and I did play DA: O on normal. I do have to pause and I find I use the move order function added to the sequel a bit even for standard encounters. (I've not really had a proper boss fight yet. Well, I've fought Hayder but that's about it.)

And to be honest with you, depending on how the game pans out in act 2 and act 3, I can see a lot of potential for diverging paths based on choices made meaning choices matter and there's replay value. Of course, I could be wrong on that but I know already that who you choose to work for at the start prior to getting into Kirkwall can change some things.

In any case, I know this is going to fall on deaf ears most likely, but at least I can prove I've played the game.

The only criticism I have at the moment as well is that I don't like the targeting feature in the console version due to having to use the radial menu at times to lock onto a target in order to attack. If I press X without locking on, Hawke doesn't seem to attack. But it's minor. I haven't ran into recycled dungeons yet though, due to not doing a tonne of quests.

Edit: And yes folks, I also like DA: O.

Modifié par rob_k, 10 mars 2011 - 10:07 .

[expanding panic]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Why are people fixating on reviews ?

Judge for yourself,
3 world wars were fought and people died so your generation can have a mind of its own and make decisions for yourselves.

I dont really know about other countrys but in the UK if a game box says 1 thing and the contents are another you can return it for a refund.
Despite the many flame fests here theres actually a surprising amount to read that would help you decide to buy it or not.



Remember,reviews are not written by God or some other diety,they are usually written by people who just want to jump up and down shouting "see me,hear me,i exist,look at me,look at me"

Where did you get 3 from? last i counted there was 2 world wars

[moilami]

Could it be possible that those reviewers around Internet has not frequent BW forums and hence can't know how awesome the game is in real?