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[DefiantRain Still Me]

I think (at least for Bethany, haven't got around to Carver yet) that death is the better fate, she wouldn't be at risk from the templars, wouldn't have her life shortened by becoming a Grey Warden. Plus, Its implied that there is an afterlife in the DA universe, so she'd be with Carver and their father, and later on she'd have more company. Also, it adds an element of of tragedy to Hawke's story as well as justified angst (Kirkwall could be seen as cursed to the Hawke/Amell family line or just for Hawke).

[Kline1003]

Shavon wrote...

Kline1003 wrote...

Combined? I'm confused :-p.


Is there any gift I could give Carver in Act 1 that I just didn't get yet? I pretty much have done everything but we're still just a tiny bit in rivals...I rather him be a Warden and my friend...or maybe a templar and my friend.

Does anyone know which one he appears more in and seems happier with?

You will receive a letter from a 'friend of the family' in Gamlen's house that will lead you to the gallows, which will be a gift for Carver.  Once you complete that, I think it will tell you which Carver is happier being.  So, I won't spoil that for you.

Oh you mean the one where Carver find's out his namesake. Yeah I didn't get that many points for that...I mean he was all the rival and now he's in the middle and i'm not sure how to get him any further.

Yes I think I know which he'll be happier being...but screw his happiness, hehe. I want to him which gives me the better story :-p. Sorry Carver but if you being tainted is more interesting and gives you more appearances and development, get ready for some scary dragon dreams...

[Heldenbrand]

Carver started out annoying me, but as he grew and eventually became a Grey Warden, he started to mature a lot. By the time I met up with him again at the end of the game I have to admit that I really did like him. I can understand his plight as a younger brother trying to emerge from the shadow of his elder. When he finally came to accept it and move past it to create his own way in the world it felt that he simply developed more as a character than Bethany.

That being said, I really wish I had been allowed to keep Carver in my party for more than just Act I. I really could have used a two-handed warrior in my party and unfortunately Fenris would never get along with any of my decisions as an apostate.

My next playthrough will be as a rogue, this time with Bethany joining the Circle. Look forward to that perspective.

[DefiantRain Still Me]

I think Wardens only dream of the Archdemon during or just before a Blight. I could be wrong though.

[Dirk the Crusader]

Died in the deep roads for me. Was gutted though I knew I should've listened to mother. Replayed the deep roads on casual (so fast and easy lol) just to see what happened if I left her behind. Being forced into the chantry is a fate worse than death in my hawke's opinion. Didn't know she could become a warden but that's basically becoming a darkspawn and she wouldn't have wanted that either.

[Kline1003]

I guess I'm Wardening him then. He doesn't stay with the family if he becomes a templar right? He lives with the other Templars? Grrgh, I wish I could have figured out how to get him to 100! I mean I guess I'll probably get points for bringing him along but heck I'd need 100 exactly. Basically wouldn't you need like 200 points to get Carver to friendship?

So Grey Warden then...I guess...right? Haha...that's where he shows up more?

It's strange...I don't think Carver went up for me during his quests because when I talked to him, we were at home...

Modifié par Kline1003, 13 mars 2011 - 09:46 .

[Kline1003]

That's the problem! I want to know if he's on our side in the end. If not, Warden him up!

[DuskWanderer]

(For all those that want to be spoiled)

Provided Bethany and Carver live, they'll join you for the final battle no matter what side you take. As a Gray Warden, though, you have the chance to pick them up before you head for the Gallows (they join in Lowtown)

If you side with the Mages and Carver is a Templar, Meredith will order him to kill you, just as she orders Cullen. However, Carver will refuse, saying he won't kill his brother, and turns on Meredith. If I recall, it's the same way with Bethany and Orsino.

[dewayne31]

DuskWanderer wrote...

(For all those that want to be spoiled)

Provided Bethany and Carver live, they'll join you for the final battle no matter what side you take. As a Gray Warden, though, you have the chance to pick them up before you head for the Gallows (they join in Lowtown)

If you side with the Mages and Carver is a Templar, Meredith will order him to kill you, just as she orders Cullen. However, Carver will refuse, saying he won't kill his brother, and turns on Meredith. If I recall, it's the same way with Bethany and Orsino.

i got two characters ready for the final but i coonfused between guide and the forums. they rejoin your party no matter which side you take  i got that but i unclear do the rejoin perrmantly.

[Kline1003]

DuskWanderer wrote...

(For all those that want to be spoiled)

Provided Bethany and Carver live, they'll join you for the final battle no matter what side you take. As a Gray Warden, though, you have the chance to pick them up before you head for the Gallows (they join in Lowtown)

If you side with the Mages and Carver is a Templar, Meredith will order him to kill you, just as she orders Cullen. However, Carver will refuse, saying he won't kill his brother, and turns on Meredith. If I recall, it's the same way with Bethany and Orsino.

And Carver doesn't stay with the Hawkes if he becomes a Templar right? He basically appears the same amount(though being a Grey Warden is cooler...). It's a tough choice. Templar has a bit more of a dramatic flair but Grey Warden is a Grey Frackin' Warden!

[London]

For Bethany I first picked Gray Warden, but more for OOC reasons. I assumed if she was a Grey Warden she would be able to come and go as she pleased and stay in the party - kind of how in Dragon Age 1 our Gray Warden's semed to do whatever they pleased. I also feared that she'd be made tranquil. Instead in the Deep Roads they pretty much said Bethany would be ordered around by the Wardens and the family wouldn't see her again. Then her codex said she appeared unhappy and wouldn't even write letters to Hawke.

I then read the codexes where it said that Bethany really just wanted a normal life and to stop being on the run, so I reloaded and left her behind. It was a confusing decision to leave her behind because when Mother came before the expedition Bethany stated she wanted to go, and seemed hesitate to stay behind. Afterwards the codex mentioned that she was relatively happy and she even mailed me a letter. So aside from the fact that she won't have a 30 year death sentence, the fact that she seems to be doing well in the Circle made me decide to keep going with the Circle route.

The scenes where she becomes tainted and then made a Gray Warden were more emotionally compelling than the somewhat awkward scene of her being taken away to the Circle. But I guess Bethany's almost indifferent response to leaving for the Circle is more in-character for her if part of her always wanted this. I still felt the Grey Warden scenes to be a lot stronger so I'm glad I saw those.

Nonetheless I'll keep playing the Circle route and see what happens. ((20 hours in and just starting Act 2)).

[Kline1003]

I'm still not sure what to do! Grgh! I'm at the part too. Grey Warden and live for more than 30 years(meaning he's dead by 48) or Templar and risk of Lyrium addition, no sex, no love....Hmmm....

Though does he leave the Templars at the end? You can't really leave the Wardens...but you can leave the Templars...right?

So...maybe he should become a templar? Grrgh...If he leaves the templars at the end and doesn't just join us for one battle, sure I'll let him become a templar...Maybe..I mean I lose a lot of points with him.....

AHH! What should I do?

Modifié par Kline1003, 14 mars 2011 - 03:41 .

[xZitx]

Dunno for Carver - but for Bethany it is 100% clear for me now.

SPOILER FOR THE END OF THE GAME




At the end you can side with the mages and take her back into your group. After the final fight you and all your companions have to leave Kirkwall, which means she's free. She can do whatever she wants to, hide, go into another Cirlce, stay with Hawke... and she will (hopefully :>) survive longer than 30 years. There's no death sentence, there's a future for her. =) I am happy I left her at home with Leandra. So the two of them had a time together, too.

Modifié par xZitx, 14 mars 2011 - 02:09 .

[Sjofn]

Mustang678 wrote...

I didn't read ahead so she died in my game and I'd gone too far to go back by the time I realized I could've changed it, but looking back I'm satisfied with what I got

Yeah, I had no idea that choice would matter my first time through, but I left her home because HawkeMom was so worried and Bethany didn't seem to care that much one way or the other. I felt really bad she was stuck in the Circle, though her letter to me indicated she wasn't unhappy there, so I didn't feel too terrible. I had no idea she could die until my husband hit the same point, took her with him but not Anders, and then whoops. Ultimately I think the Circle is the best place for her, not the Wardens.

I started a mage playthrough and decided I would see what Carver wanted to do. He seemed really keen on coming, so I brought him with me. I didn't have the heart to let him die, so Anders came too, and off Carver went to the Wardens. I think that's the best place for him, really, although I think he'd make a good Templar as well, in the sense he sees mages as people and knows they don't all run to blood magic the instant they're not being watched, but also knows that if they do, that is inexcusable.

My only issue with Carver is he and my Hawke were starting to come to an understanding before he got sick, but every time I've seen him since then, he's being an even bigger douche to me than he was in the very beginning.

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Personally? Grey Wardens. That way neither of them have to deal with the political upheaval that is going to tear Thedas apart.

The Grey Wardens might want to stay out of it, but they're not going to be able to, no matter how bad they wish it.

Modifié par Sjofn, 14 mars 2011 - 02:24 .

[Bruddajakka]

Carver = Grey Warden
Bethany = Circle. Which is too bad because her Grey Warden outfit is really quite fetching.

[Rheia]

In my playthrough as a mage, Carver was at max rivalry and I listened to mother and didn't take him. So when he joined the templars, later on there were some tense scenes with Meredith and him where he still clearly kind of resents you.

I also sided with mages and he refused to side with me, but at the very end, both he and cullen put themselves between Meredith and Hawke, Carver saying 'I won't let you killl my sister'.

Their whole brother/sister relationship kind of played out very tragic in my game.

I also think that my next playthrough I'll let the sibling die... just well, to see what it changes and honestly, Hawke who looses all the family could be a curious character to explore.

[Sarah1281]

I think (at least for Bethany, haven't got around to Carver yet) that death is the better fate, she wouldn't be at risk from the templars, wouldn't have her life shortened by becoming a Grey Warden.

That doesn't make much sense. It's better to kill her now so that her life won't be shortened? Being a Grey Warden will drastically increase her lifespan if the other option is death NOW.

Didn't know she could become a warden but that's basically becoming a darkspawn and she wouldn't have wanted that either.

More of a high-functioning ghoul than a darkspawn, I think.

[GunClubGirl]

Bethany makes it clear throughout the first act how she feels about the Circle. She believes it is a prison, and it seems like she feels it would be a fate worse than death to be stuck in there. I took the Grey Warden route for her, feeling it is what she would want, and in the end, it seems she realizes it was the right choice for her.

[RazorrX]

Beth is actively researching the circle prior to the deep roads though. I think she was thinking of turning her self in. She does not like being a warden.

And in the end, you free her from that circle anyway.

[Oblivious]

Never had Bethany in my party (too much fun being a mage lol) but apparently she despises the Wardens and won't even write your family. Carver, on the other hand, is pissed at joining the Wardens but still writes letters about how he hopes to make a future for himself in the Wardens and dreams of one day being more famous than the Hero of Ferelden.

[Sarah1281]

GunClubGirl wrote...

Bethany makes it clear throughout the first act how she feels about the Circle. She believes it is a prison, and it seems like she feels it would be a fate worse than death to be stuck in there. I took the Grey Warden route for her, feeling it is what she would want, and in the end, it seems she realizes it was the right choice for her.

Really? Quite a few times Bethany makes some comment about how she's tired of running and wonders if the Circle would be so bad, really. My anti-Circle Hawke was horrified but Bethany herself doesn't seem to mind that much.

[xZitx]

She says something like "I think I needed to experience the Circle to know what my fellow mages have to go through." She sees it as an experience, as a form of development. And, like I said before, she's going to be free either way, 'cause I will never side with the templars as long as she lives.

[dewayne31]

xZitx wrote...

She says something like "I think I needed to experience the Circle to know what my fellow mages have to go through." She sees it as an experience, as a form of development. And, like I said before, she's going to be free either way, 'cause I will never side with the templars as long as she lives.

that why i don't where done hawke or her or carver

[Sarah1281]

What?