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[nuclearpengu1nn]

they help you in the end game if turned to grey wardens

[LetsGoToMyHouse]

I decided to take the route in which Carver joins the Templars. It makes the plot and tension that much more enjoyable between Carver and Hawke. Plus it seems to fit his character rather well when it comes to my play through. What better way to get out of your elder's shadow then to join up with a force that opposes your elder's very nature? It felt like a betrayal and a slap in the face for my Hawke. But it made the ending that much more meaningful when Carver refused to fight his brother.

Excellent work, Bioware!

Modifié par LetsGoToMyHouse, 14 mars 2011 - 07:48 .

[Kline1003]

So they don't rejoin you if they're a templar and you side with the Mages but they don't kill you. So they semi-rejoin you.

Here is the final kicker for me.

Does Carver stay as a Templar in the very end of the game? I mean be vague will spoiling it, yes or no answer I guess...but if he leaves the Templars after he decides not to kill you, I sort of want to choose that route for him...

But if there is DLC, I also want to make sure he's in my party for that...

[Heldenbrand]

Carver as a Grey Warden; he seems to mature an awful lot by the end of the game, rather than continuing to resent you. His development was impressive.

[Taiyama]

With Carver, I took him along on the Deep Roads with Anders and he ended up being a Grey Warden. It was really sweet when he comes back to you in the Final Hour, determined to help you in this Mage vs Templar War. And he admits though he blamed you for a long time for the Warden thing, now he's thanking you for it.

"The Hawke Brothers together again, eh?" There was no doubt I was taking him with me in the final battle.

[Urazz]

DuskWanderer wrote...

With Carver, I have to honestly say the Gray Wardens. Carver's defining trait is his resentment towards his more successful and prestigious older brother, and the underlying feeling that he's just  "along for the ride." We see it in his interactions with Hawke about templars, and we see it again in his companion sidequest: He doesn't care about the Amells or anything like that, he's got nothing tying him down: He'd make a perfect Gray Warden. This is in contrast to Bethany, who, being a mage is inherently involved in the whole Mage/Templar crisis, and is close to Hawke already. 

Aside from that, in the Deep Roads, when Carver is tainted, you get a really good scene (love it, devs, really do) when he's infected and Hawke is trying to keep Carver moving, and then when you find the Wardens, how Hawke is sorry that it came to this, and what really matters is that Carver lives. It's the start of character development for Carver, who mellows out considerably when you see him during the Qunari invasion, and again during the end of the game, where he rejoins you. He keeps the nonchalance about the whole thing: He's just standing by his brother/sister, regardless of his side. 

With Bethany, I don't see it having much impact since she's closer to Hawke to begin with. 

Actually, Bethany is happier with the Circle.  She actually tends to fit in there more and was training apprentices last I read in one of her letters before I redid the Deep Roads expedition to make her a Grey Warden and gets letters and visited by her Mother quite often.  She doesn't like being in the Grey Wardens and is a bit mad with you if you do get her made into a Grey Warden.  She does forgive at the end of the game when she can rejoin your party but before that she is a bit cool towards you.

I think with Bethany, she wants to stop worrying about running/surviving the templars.  While she may not have to worry about the templars that much anymore as a Grey Warden, she has to worry more about surviving since she is going to be fighting Darkspawn more.

I haven't really played with Carver yet (in my mage playthrough right now) but so far he seems to be a bit more opposite of Bethany and seems to be more of a fighter and wanting to prove himself while Bethany doesn't.

[DuskWanderer]

Kline1003 wrote...

So they don't rejoin you if they're a templar and you side with the Mages but they don't kill you. So they semi-rejoin you.

Here is the final kicker for me.

Does Carver stay as a Templar in the very end of the game? I mean be vague will spoiling it, yes or no answer I guess...but if he leaves the Templars after he decides not to kill you, I sort of want to choose that route for him...

But if there is DLC, I also want to make sure he's in my party for that...

The game's vague about it. Varric mentions that all of the companions go their separate ways. Carver's a companion, so...

[Heather Cline]

Sent her to the grey wardens, did the same with carver. If you don't send them to either the circle or grey wardens they die and are unavailable in the final act.

[leggywillow]

Autolycus wrote...

Bethany resents you a great deal if she becomes a warden....in the circle, she says she is happy for once.

That makes my mind up for me personally.

The same is true for Carver.  I think Circle mage and templar are my favorite options for them.

Though if you just want to see them as much as possible in-game, the Grey Wardens might be the better option since you can meet them during Nathaniel's quest and I think you have them longer during the final battle.

[Zelelous]

I have also noticed that carver where's grey warden armor in the exaggerated version of varric's story so it might be slightly more canon to take him with you

[dewayne31]

Zelelous wrote...

I have also noticed that carver where's grey warden armor in the exaggerated version of varric's story so it might be slightly more canon to take him with you

Not sure but seems canon to let bethany to the circle to me at

[Phantom.Brave10]

How does Bethany become a Grey Warden? D:
I knew that she would die when I went to the Deep Roads, but I wasn't sure if there was an option to leave her behind. I left her behind and she was taken into the circle by Cullen...

[Knight of Dane]

Why does there need to be a canon at all? Bethany became a grey warden for me, that's my canon then..

[dewayne31]

I have question i couldn't a answer in the guide. i want to side with templars in my current playthough. i know bethany won't join me right away but can i put her in my party before i have to fight meredith? if she goes to the circle?

[Chiramu]

 I think because I started with Mage that I've gotten so used to Carver that Bethany seems like a weak character in comparison. Or maybe I'm just used to Carver being an **** to me cause of my magic lol.

But I think Bethany is closer to the My Little Pony Fluttershy,

I think I'll work on transforming Beth into a pony lol.

[dewayne31]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Why does there need to be a canon at all? Bethany became a grey warden for me, that's my canon then..

i wasn't trying to suggest that there was a canon i was just saying that sending her the circle fit her character much better then making her gw which i have doione both. but i'll never make a gw again how i feel bout my real family get in the away

[CharliePrince]

 there are three options for Bethany?!
wow.. 

i'm spoiler free so .. she died in my story thus far hurt the hell out of me

i kinda had a huge crush on her too

-sigh-

ilu Bethany!! <3:(

[Ravanofdarkness]

This is my Opinion.

The Circle of Magi = Good
The Grey Wardens = Neutral
Death = Bad

[Rheia]

I'm doing a playthrough where Carver dies in the Deep Roads... I actually kind of like this. Gives Hawke story another tragic angle, in the light of mother's death and both Flemeth speech about regrets and earlier confrontation with Carver in act 1 where he says Hawke should have given better to protect Bethany, to which she responds that he can question her, can question their mother, can question anything he wants, but that he can't question that she wouldn't do anything in her power to save her family.

That piece of dialog is really kind of heartbreaking.

Modifié par Rheia, 21 mars 2011 - 11:10 .

[Wynne]

Carver with the Templars is great for the drama. He never completely goes over to their side. But he remains a "bit of a ******", as Aveline would say. He's still a loyal brother all the way through, but also kind of a jerk, as many templars are.

But I think being a Grey Warden is best for him. He even says as much, and you can see the changes in him. Over time he finally stops comparing himself to his sister/brother. He makes a strong showing and actually chooses his sibling over his cause for a while without it feeling cheap or out of character. I love Carver. I found his grumpy, pouty jealousy to be kind of adorable, really, but I appreciate the difference between that Carver and Grey Warden!Carver very much. He's cool that way.

Bethany I've yet to see an ultimate destiny for, so I'll have to come back to this thread later to post thoughts on her. But from what I've heard, I think she'd be pretty cool as a Warden, though not as sweet as otherwise.

Modifié par Wynne, 21 mars 2011 - 11:23 .

[silver-crescent]

For Carver the Grey Wardens are definitely the best choice. Sure it might shorten is lifespan, but at least he won't become a mentally disabled drug addict.

As for Bethany, it's arguable. But I suppose if you side with mages at the end she's better off at the circle, if not then I'm not sure.

[DefiantRain Still Me]

I'm more wary of the Divine...I mean, the chantry is basically a fundamentalist Church....its the dominant religion, and it exercises its dominance. Sure, maybe they use the belief in the maker as a crutch and a means of stability, (it IS a crapsack world), but no religion should have that much power....Thats why I think I'm usually going to allow Bethany to die, I like her a LOT more than Carver, but she's always going to be at risk..Look at Anders, maniac that he is, he's a known Grey Warden (well, I should think he is, after the events in Awakening...rumours etc), yet the Templars still pursue him... (so Bethany would still be at risk if she became a Warden, especially after siding with Hawke) I think the fact that he left the Wardens is irrelevant, they could come calling at any time, especially if they learned that the Circle had him. Bethany would ALWAYS be running, there'd be even more focus on her if Hawke sides with the mages, she'd be valuable because of her link to Hawke and the fact that she'd be one of the rebels would just worsen her fate. Maybe if she lives she makes an appearance in DA3....she may even be a party member. Who knows....well...Bioware does. Anyway...I think it makes for better storytelling if she dies.

[dragonflight288]

I know more about Carver than Bethany, so I'm going to go off of his options.

Carver is pretty adamant about going into the Deep Roads. And if you don't take him, he takes it personally and joins the templars. True, joining the templars is his choice and that is what he as a character really needs, a sense of identity. But he (for a VERY large portion of the game) believes Hawke to be a selfish ****** who cares nothing for his family and even blames him/her for Leandra's death. He gradually comes around and gains a sense of self worth and will follow Hawke no matter the choices made in the end game.

I personally like that, but I keep remembering that the Chantry makes all the templars addicted to lyrium, so if Carver abandons the chantry and the templars if you side with the mages, then he will go through lyrium withdrawal as he will be addicted.

But if I take him into the deep roads, with or without Anders, Hawke and Carver will have a very touching scene when they realize that Carver is tainted. Hawke can take Carver to the wardens and let him know that he just wants his/her brother to live. Carver is living with the consequences of his choices. He chose to go into the deep roads, and since he was at Ostagar, knows the risks of fighting darkspawn. He doesn't really hold a grudge against Hawke for saving his life and will not blame Hawke for Leandra's death. He gets a small grudge for having a choice made for him, but he really enjoys being a Gray Warden.

He'll follow Hawke at the very end regardless of who we support, and is much more accepting of things beyond his control.

Or he dies from the taint.

I would say I think the Gray Warden path is better for Carver as a person, but I just find the templar character arc much more fascinating to the siblings.