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[dewayne31]

I've sent bethany to the circle twice and sided with templars. i will never again i just felt bout killing all though mages without a proper cause.

[Tainan7509]

Send her to circle is the best choice in my opinion because eventually templar and mage will run into war. so i suppose she will not have to stay in circle for too long, but you got to make sure you side with mage at the end. She will thank you for protecting her and if she goes to circle, she can still contact with family. That's my second play through.

Word of advice: listen to your parents please. haha
Btw, Carver -> Warden. Bethany -> circle are the best option for both.

Modifié par Tainan7509, 24 mars 2011 - 05:10 .

[MadDjinn]

for Bethany:

my first playthru I did the family ties thing and tried to keep her safe.. I also didn't like anders much from the first few meetings, so didn't take him. (was also romancing Merrill so she came instead)
- Bethany dies, mom died, Isabella left me out to hang with the Arishok (I chose to give her the book as I had some respect with the Arishok, but wasn't believing the hype he tried to sell as I was initially mage-friendly)... I ended up taking all quests and killing everyone possible. (though still trying to take the middle ground and kept the mage-boy running away from everything)
- Killed Anders and sided with the mages anyways as it was the last 'gift' to my sister. (femHawke)

As I used Bethany a lot, there was plenty of banter from her about wanting to stop running, interest in the circle (though rogueHawke didn't like that option) and so forth. So her dying was a bit right for that run as I was a rogue/mage-friendly due to my sister/Merrill romance rather than mage/save my skin sort of deal.

So far on a 2nd pass as a mage, I hate Carver.... treating him like the emo-craptastico that he is. Haven't gotten to the end of Act 1 yet, but will likely leave him in Kirkwall, since I don't really like him, and let him be with the templars and try to push the hate a bit more.

for other runs (all mixes of hawke types that I have left):

Mage-hating Warrior (2H)/super pro Templar - Bethany dies. (the 'evil' Templar run)
Family oriented Warrior (SnS) templar run - Bethany goes to wardens.
Mage-lover/pro-family (Rogue/Archer) run - Bethany goes to the circle and can be 'rescued' later.

Mage-Super Evil version (Everyone goes BM; kill all templars and let the apostitutes rule) - Carver dies
Mage- who likes the concept of the Circle/ Divine Faith run (no BM lives/Can't be BM) /Templar side - Carver Templar
Mage-neutral/likes Carver run (kill BMs but save anyone else) (likely mage side) - Carver Warden


Or something like that.

[starkillerTFU]

In the end regardless if Carver and Bethany are happy of becoming Wardens or not.. during the end game battles they will still join you and have come to terms with it.

Modifié par starkillerTFU, 09 novembre 2011 - 12:15 .

[Asdara]

Lets see... Bethany first:

I almost always leave her behind for the expedition, because it makes sense to me that given the choice between her and Anders for the mage I'll bring (being melee myself, obviously, or she'd be dead already) I would pick the Grey Warden with experience who I'm not all that close to verses putting my baby sister in danger when my mother is begging me not to. She's always talking about if it would be better for her to have been turned in to the Circle instead of the family living as fugitives, and she's somewhat concerned about the dangers of her own magic should she ever have a weak moment and turn abomination.

However, I have once brought her and Anders to let her go to the Grey Wardens just to see how that went - she doesn't seem to be happy with that path when you see her later in DLC and other short instances. It's almost like she's had another burden of responsibility added to the magic she never wanted to be born with in the first place and she loses her sparkle a bit, becoming grim in ways that don't seem "like her".

I also once took her without Anders (for a particular plot I was crafting) and she died down there, which was sad - but it also opened up a dialog option during the Fenris and his sister confrontation where I could tell him that killing your own sibling is horrible and he should think twice before taking on that pain.

As for Carver:

Most of my pro-Mage runs (and my Mages are pretty much default pro-Mage, which is the only way you get to keep Carver around anyway) I leave him behind because he's a pissy person to me and I know he'll become a Templar and that seems to suit him hating my guts and works with the over all story - giving it a bit more of a Civil War feeling of "family member against family member" gritty dimension (even though that doesn't play out exactly).

I have also brought him - because he clearly wants to go and he is pretty capable as a fighter and doesn't want to be coddled - and sent him off to the Grey Wardens. With this option he actually seems to become a little wiser, a little less bitter towards my Hawke and generally learns that he's not the center of the universe and glory isn't everything. Seems good for him overall.

I've also let him die once, but it doesn't seem to be as emotional as the Bethany death and he almost accepts it too easily and it really seems like a waste not to see him or have access to him later.

So, overall - between the options I'd say for Bethany the Circle is better for her (and the story) and the Grey Wardens are better for Carver (but not the story) whereas sending Bethany to the Wardens doesn't do much for the story, but letting Carver join the Templars does seem to increase story value (even if you side with Templars as a mage I suppose, which is awkward).

Letting them die I would reserve for specific machinations you have for your Hawke's personal story arc.

... if you're curious - when I let Bethany die it was so that my Mage hating Templar themed Warrior Hawke would spare Anders (story in my head was that they were in love, she took Bethany with her to keep her away from Ander's influence without her supervision, she ends up dying and asking Hawke to look after Anders for her, Hawke, riddled with guilt about her death promises and has to grit her teeth and bear the presence of an abomination mage through the rest of the game - she ends up "adopting" Merril as a second sister to fill the void Bethany left). The time I let Carver die was an accident of the first play through without spoilers.

[Rawgrim]

I felt Bethany joining the Wardens was the best way for her to go. As for Carver...well...he ran into an ogre...and it wasn`t Shrek.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Circle seems fairly obviously a better choice for Bethany to me. She's miserable hate filled and bitter in the wardens. After all the trauma she's been through she is clearly carrying some deep psychological scars whenever you talk to her again. In addition she's now forever tainted and doomed to die young in battle or to be driven mad by the call of the Old Gods. She can conceivably be free of the Circles or templars, but she will never ever be free of the darkspawn now. One might worry about her being caught up in the Mage-Templar conflict after being sent tot eh Gallows now but as a warden she's permanently a part of an endless war against the darkspawn.In the Circle she's actually happy and content some of the time.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 10 novembre 2011 - 06:15 .

[Ravensword]

Is death preferable than becoming a Grey Warden or being sent to the Circle?

[BTG_01]

For Bethany, I prefer the Grey Wardens. She goes through a character arc with the Wardens, she's bitter towards Hawke, then resigned to her fate, then finally she makes the best of a bad situation. When she's in the Circle she comes across as depressed.

[Ryzaki]

I think becoming Wardens is the best fate for them. Both go through interesting character arcs (Bethany hardens and Carver finds a purpose).

[ladyshamen]

If your sib becomes a grey warden you can have them in your party for MotA.

[Quething]

You can have them in your party anyway. The justification is actually a lot better for a Circle Beth, actually.

I've been waffling on Beth lately, but I still think Circle is best for her. Grey Warden is for life. Circle ends up only being six years, and she manages to stay out of the way of the Alriks and Kerrases. So even if she does get a bit brainwashed for those six years, the net trauma is still lower.

[TanyaT]

better a warden than in that Circle of abuse

Grey Wardens don't have to be for life, if you want to leave it seems you can - Anders & Nathaniel got away, so others must have.

Make her a warden and Bethany actually thanks you at the end, because she was scared of the circle in Kirkwall (I'd have preferred to send her back to Ferelden) and appreciates we did the best for her, besides the Grey wardens are there for good*

I've never had any of my siblings stay with me beyond the Deep Roads quest (they do turn up for Legacy)




* I can see Bioware in DA3 deciding to prove they are evil

[TobiTobsen]

TanyaT wrote...

better a warden than in that Circle of abuse

Grey Wardens don't have to be for life, if you want to leave it seems you can - Anders & Nathaniel got away, so others must have.

You are a Grey Warden for life. The taint doesn't care if you deserted them or not.

And I'm not quite sure where Nathaniel walked away from them? The last time I saw him was as the leader of a group of Grey Wardens investigating some stuff in the Deep Roads near Kirkwall.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Bethany thanks you for saving her life. She still wishes it never happened. At the end of the game she says "I wouldn't have chosen this life." I'd say Bethany being a warden is better if you are aiming for a tragic twist in the storyline. Bethany's never the same again if she becomes a warden. In the Circle she's content and she'd even support the system if it wasn't for Meredith.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 19 novembre 2011 - 08:24 .

[ladyofpayne]

Circle and templars. Because they don't become like Laruius.

[jackofalltrades456]

Everyone seems to say that the Circle is the better option for Bethany, but I feel making both her and Carver Wardens is the best ending for them. I kind of see it as the hardening option.

Yes, Bethany seems much happier as a Circle mage and she even stated a few times that she was tired of running. It doesn't mean its good for her. I thought she still seemed very immature as a circle mage and retains her cheery personality. The Wardens make her more battle-hardened, mature, and more accepting of her sibling in the end. The same applies to Carver .

Circle/Templar Bethany and Carver seem to give you the " It's either them or me!" attitude at the of the game, while their Warden counterparts will always put aside their differences and side with their brother/sister.

Modifié par jackofalltrades456, 26 février 2012 - 05:04 .

[Ghost_Nappa]

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

Everyone seems to say that the Circle is the better option for Bethany, but I feel making both her and Carver Wardens is the best ending for them. I kind of see it as the hardening option.

Yes, Bethany seems much happier as a Circle mage and she even stated a few times that she was tired of running. It doesn't mean its good for her. I thought she still seemed very immature as a circle mage and retains her cheery personality. The Wardens make her more battle-hardened, mature, and more accepting of her sibling in the end. The same applies to Carver .

Circle/Templar Bethany and Carver seem to give you the " It's either them or me!" attitude at the of the game, while their Warden counterparts will always put aside their differences and side with their brother/sister.

^^
Im about half and half on the subject, but I am 100% for you with Bethany for the Wardens.

Carver though...I go with Templars so he can get a little understanding of how some some people will take advantage of a weaker person for inhumane reasons. That way he can better sympathsize with the mages and know what bounderies shouldnt be crossed as a templar. But it is tempting to make him a warden as the hardening option.

Hmm well either way I am pro-warden Bethany all the way.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Circle and Templar Siblings give you that attitude becaue they are put in the position of fighting mages or templars. The Warden versions of them don't have as personal a stake in the conflict aside from what Hawke thinks of it. You're never given the option of siding with darkspawn in the game. If you did, I suspect the Warden Bethany/Carver would react wore than the Circle/Templar version did when siding with the opposite faction as them in the endgame.

[Koire]

I never had Bethany since my Hawkes were mages. As for Carver, I think the character development is much better if you make him a Grey Warden.

[Leon481]

I'm 100% for Bethany in the circle if for no other reason than it add an extra layer to the plot. It makes the final choice much more significant, no matter which side you choose. You have a choice of protecting your sister or fighting against her for the greater good. Siding with the templars also has a few interesting moments when she's in the circle that makes the whole thing much more dramatic. Bethany the circle is also the only choice that can give you a sibling who is free, alive, and not hating you.

It's different with Carver. You basically have a choice of letting him be a Templar and resenting you for it, or having him like you, but condemning him to a slow, painful death. Even if he does become a better person in the wardens, it's still hard to tell if it's really what's best for him in the long run.

[BeguilingMingXi]

For Bethany

I first did the circle option because she seemed to like it more.Ofcourse when Ser Alric is hanging outside the female mage barracks going all hmmm tranquil her and her and that one and Karras doing his bad thing liking might not be the best place to be.When i did my thrid playthough i took her and Anders to the Deeproads and save her by making her a Warden.Sent her to join Lyna Mahariel my warden Commander.When i compared the two Beths i found i prefered the more mature and hardened Greywarden Bethany then the Circle mage Bethany.

My Bro Carver.

Sent him to the Wardens and loved his development and witty replies.Never sent him to the Templars.Heard he'd remain the same as before the Deeproads maybe i'll try it out later.

So in short Grey Warden for both is the way for me.

[Kavatica]

The first time I played through, Bethany died and I felt horrible (Leandra's voice - ouch). So the next time I played through I didn't take her to the Deep Roads and then Cullen hauled her off (and oh man, did that make me hate Cullen...I think my Amell crush flew entirely out the window at that point - if I could have fought him and killed him there I would have gladly done it). It definitely changed the way I played the game - I mean, I couldn't not side with the mages when my sister is stuck in that stupid circle. Honestly, I almost liked it better when she died because then at least she wasn't stuck in that horrible prison.

With Carver, I also had him become a templar on me when I was a mage, which again - made me a bit resentful to say the least. But does give you some perspective on his character that I don't think you would get otherwise. He was such a jerk up until the end and then I sided with the templars - I'm not sure how he would react if you sided with the mages but I assume he would still side with you. I kind of hate him and love him at the same time. With the Grey Warden Carver, I felt like you got to see a different side of him. He seemed happier. He got to be a hero and out of your shadow (sort of).

For both of them, I like it much better when they become Grey Wardens. Especially with the DLCs and the way their characters reappear down the road. And I guess I find it hard to feel guilty about making them be a Grey Warden when you are doing it to save their lives and considering the alternative. Plus, I don't remember being a Grey Warden as all that bad really. Minus the dying young part.

Modifié par Kavatica, 15 mars 2012 - 02:55 .

[Scitenik]

I've never played with Carver, but when Bethany died during my first playthrough, I immediately quit playing and came to the forums to find out if there was a way to avoid that. After reading the options I went back and made her a Grey Warden.

I know she likes being in the circle better, but I couldn't approach it from a "what would Hawke realistically want to do for their sister" perspective anymore. I figure she might hate being a Grey Warden, but in my head, at some point she meets up with my Warden from DA:O. Besides, she does end up going through a lot of character development as a Warden. She hates it at first, and accepts it later. The life of a Grey Warden can be harsh and lonely, and constantly full of danger, but given how DA2 ends up with Templars vs Mages, I'd much rather have Bethany - and Carver, if I played with him - be in the Wardens than on one of those two sides. Both sides are nuts if you ask me. Grey Wardens might be nuts too when it comes to "blah blah blah stop the darkspawn, blah blah blah taint everywhere!" but at least they're more neutral compared to mages and templars.

[Burnouts3s3]

Carver. Ultimately, I think it's a male thing, but I really do like his arc of how he wants to rebel and become his own man. In Act 1, we see him constantly mocked by Hawke and his friends and when he doesn't go into the deep roads, he makes his own path (I like how his namesake is that of a Templar) but in the end, he comes back and protects you regardless of his path and your bad blood.