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[Bourne Endeavor]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Personal taste. I hate sweet potatoes, but the rest of my family loves 'em.

And Fiery, I disagree with you--ME2 was a better game and experience for me.  But like I said, sweet potatoes.

Replace sweet potatoes with milk and cheese and we are in agreement.

My primary dislike of ME2 derives from the inconsistencies and plotholes of the main plot. Mechanically and graphically, it is a superior game

[FeralEwok]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

sweet potatoes should have never been made. thats what i think.

your like mark twain + john elway with that witty comeback.

You probably missed my earlier post.

And yeah, I'm a f*cking genius.  One day, people will appreciate me for my unsurpassed intellect and lightning-quick wit.

And then I'll take over Argentina or something.

One day? I already am.

For me, ME2 was an improvement and there are only a few complaints that I can see as being understandable most of which are just personal prefrences. If a character does not speak to you then its not necesarrily that it is poorly written, just that because of who you are it fails to connect on a emotional level. One mentioned Samara as wooden but to another they might say stoic and will spend some time thinking as to why she behaves that way, if she is to be a Justicar going so far as even willing to kill her daughter then she might have to be a bit detached and cold. Everyone has characters they love and hate from both games...same goes for any story really. The story in ME1 is more concentrated in the sense that you have a clear objective: Get Saren. Along the way you discover more about the Galaxy and its all a very new experience. But planet exploration wasnt much of exploration. I mean driving up crazy terrain in the Mako and occasionally poking some mumified turian or probe wasnt very exciting. Sure the planet was big but without anything to really occupy it it is just one big empty planet. The maps of ME2 were smaller but I think that was to focus more about what the tone of whatever map you were on was suppose to be.

I play some RPGs, some I like, some I hate. ME1 felt like it wasnt sure what kind of game it wanted to be at times. I felt that the combat was at times very awkward, there was no sense of placing well aimed shots, people just come charging at you or running around super fast while you poured many shots into them as they screamed "I will destroy you" for the 100th time. By no means do I feel that ME1 was a bad game, I loved playing it when I got it but I couldnt help but think to myself what great potential it had. So when ME2 came out it hit the mark. There are very few times when playing a game that I see things come together like they do in the Suicide Mission, where everyone is working in unison despite personal differences, all the work and effort you put in to the game is unfolding and I was honestly very moved, something that a game hasnt done for me since Kotor.

But say what we will about which was better, I'm sure when ME3 comes out it will make the first two look like child's play

Modifié par FeralEwok, 11 mars 2011 - 12:56 .

[The Spamming Troll]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

sweet potatoes should have never been made. thats what i think.

your like mark twain + john elway with that witty comeback.

You probably missed my earlier post.

And yeah, I'm a f*cking genius.  One day, people will appreciate me for my unsurpassed intellect and lightning-quick wit.

And then I'll take over Argentina or something.

argentina has crazy hot women. even tho i hate your guts, id vote for you if you outlawed shirts.

also, i dont really hate your guts.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Ozzyfan223 wrote...
it is their best game.

Just to show how it's all opinion basically....

I personally think KOTOR is their best game. Although I will agree ME2 > ME1 b/c of the gameplay and varied environments. IMO

[AdmiralCheez]

@FeralEwok: I'm flattered. :3

@The Spamming Troll: My guts are too awesome to hate.

[Pwener2313]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

argentina has crazy hot women.

Im sorry to tell you that all Hispanic/Latina women have mustaches. I live in PR, I should know, since I saw one today.

[Whatever42]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Ozzyfan223 wrote...
it is their best game.

Just to show how it's all opinion basically....

I personally think KOTOR is their best game. Although I will agree ME2 > ME1 b/c of the gameplay and varied environments. IMO

I'm more of a "BG2 is their best game" type - but I think that call is age dependent.

The problem is that games and the industry evolve and game developers keep having to come out with new and innovative games. Some people like what they produce, some people don't. But trying to hold back time is futile, I'm afraid. It doesn't work. I've tried.

[AdmiralCheez]

@Pwener2313: Nice self-portrait.

[FeralEwok]

Pwener2313 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

argentina has crazy hot women.

Im sorry to tell you that all Hispanic/Latina women have mustaches. I live in PR, I should know, since I saw one today.

HEY CHECK IT OUT!!! Looks like the first female krogan picture of ME3 has surfaced...WOOHOO

[Pwener2313]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

@Pwener2313: Nice self-portrait.

Im male.... although she looks male too....

lmao

[Ozzyfan223]

as I said, opinions are individual, clearly. But when I see people dismiss ME2 because it was different than ME1 I get annoyed.

[The Spamming Troll]

Ozzyfan223 wrote...

as I said, opinions are individual, clearly. But when I see people dismiss ME2 because it was different than ME1 I get annoyed.

your annoyment of people complaining about the changes to the ME series will never compare the my annoyment with those very changes.

i somewhat dismiss ME2 becasue it didnt follow what i did in ME2. if i was actually shepard and brought back to life in the  ME universe withthe lazerous project, id prolly die of stress from all the changes, kindof like a putting a new fish in an old fish tank. i honestly would feel much better if i never played ME2. the only thing id miss is seeing wrex on tuchanka. and niftu cal.

[Manic Sheep]

Ozzyfan223 wrote...
as I said, opinions are individual, clearly. But when I see people dismiss ME2 because it was different than ME1 I get annoyed.

TBH I consider ME2 too be a vast improvement over ME1 in many respects BUT I can see how some would be annoyed at it. Its fine for me since I like the changes but the problem is that it is a sequel and unlike DA2 it not only set in the same universe its also the continuation of the same story and was always planned as a trilogy (so not a tacked on “oh its popular lets make a sequel game). Generally if you want to change things in a major way it is probably better to do it with a new franchise so that those who where fans of the first game don't all of a sudden get alienated and aren’t able to complete or enjoy a story they are already emotionally invested in. It’s a feeling I understand to some extent because I am one of those idiots who has to finish a story once I start even if it starts going to crap.
People have the right to not like something and say so.

Those who take it as a sign bioware is going to hell because they made a game not tailored to their specific taste or who accuse anyone who likes it of being a console ****** or child however ****** me off.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 11 mars 2011 - 04:11 .

[Whatever42]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

Ozzyfan223 wrote...

as I said, opinions are individual, clearly. But when I see people dismiss ME2 because it was different than ME1 I get annoyed.

your annoyment of people complaining about the changes to the ME series will never compare the my annoyment with those very changes.

i somewhat dismiss ME2 becasue it didnt follow what i did in ME2. if i was actually shepard and brought back to life in the  ME universe withthe lazerous project, id prolly die of stress from all the changes, kindof like a putting a new fish in an old fish tank. i honestly would feel much better if i never played ME2. the only thing id miss is seeing wrex on tuchanka. and niftu cal.

And the OP's complaining will have about as much affect on your complaining as your complaining will have on Bioware. I hope, at least, that all this complaining is making people feel better, since it's otherwise completely useless.

[Whatever42]

Manic Sheep wrote...

Ozzyfan223 wrote...

as I said, opinions are individual, clearly. But when I see people dismiss ME2 because it was different than ME1 I get annoyed.

TBH I consider ME2 too be a vast improvement over ME1 in many respects BUT I can see how some would be annoyed at it. Its fine for me since I like the changes but the problem is that it is a sequel and unlike DA2 it not only set in the same universe its also the continuation of the same story and was always planned as a trilogy (so not a tacked on “oh its popular lets make a sequel game). Generally if you want to change things in a major way it is probably better to do it with a new franchise do that those who where fans of the first game don't all of a sudden get alienated and aren’t able to complete a story they are already emotionally invested in. It’s a feeling I understand to some extent because I am one of those idiots who has to finish a story once I start even if it starts going to crap.
Those who take it as a sing bioware is going to hell because they made a gem not tailored to their specific taste or who accuse anyone who likes it of being a console ****** or child however ****** me off.

Yeah but when you develop an IP then you tend to develop games around it. It's rare for those games to be exactly like their predecessors.

I do sympathize with the ME1 fanatics, I honestly do. I was a huge Morrowind fan and hated Oblivion. It was a better game technically. It was certainly far more popular and won all kinds of awards. And it was hard to really attack it - my complaints sound whiney because I really simply hated it because it wasn't Morrowind. Of course, I didn't launch a futile Internet complain campaign to try to convince Bethesda that they should really focus on making games that I personally liked because my mom always said I was the most special boy in the world. But I understand the motivation.

[The Spamming Troll]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

Ozzyfan223 wrote...

as I said, opinions are individual, clearly. But when I see people dismiss ME2 because it was different than ME1 I get annoyed.

your annoyment of people complaining about the changes to the ME series will never compare the my annoyment with those very changes.

i somewhat dismiss ME2 becasue it didnt follow what i did in ME2. if i was actually shepard and brought back to life in the  ME universe withthe lazerous project, id prolly die of stress from all the changes, kindof like a putting a new fish in an old fish tank. i honestly would feel much better if i never played ME2. the only thing id miss is seeing wrex on tuchanka. and niftu cal.

And the OP's complaining will have about as much affect on your complaining as your complaining will have on Bioware. I hope, at least, that all this complaining is making people feel better, since it's otherwise completely useless.

i think complaining is why the mako was removed, and why planet scanning was revamped, or why niftu cal will be a squadmate in ME3.........

youd rather a company be clueless about, what i think, are some of its faults?

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 11 mars 2011 - 04:28 .

[Whatever42]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

i think complaining is why the mako was removed from ME1, and why planet scanning was revamped, or why niftu cal will be a squadmate in ME3.

youd rather a company be clueless about, what i think are some of its faults?

Complaining perhaps removed those things. But not by complaining on these boards. Bioware listens a lot to professional critics. They also run focus groups. Listening to complaining on the Internet is useless. Just look at these boards. For every opinion someone has, someone has the opposite opinion. And forums are as far from representative as you can get. Every opinion imaginable is expressed and no matter what Bioware does, you can find someone who suggested here.

People on the Blizzard boards used to think they listened too. Until Blizzard pretty much flatout said that there was far too much noise for them to collect anything useful from their forums.

I absolutely, 100% defend your right to express your disappointment in the game. I will never say you're wrong for disliking ME2 or wanting the Mako. I will argue you when you try to objectively prove that ME2 is crap but I respect your opinion as long as you respect mine. However, it is all just mental masturbation, for both us.

[Manic Sheep]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Ozzyfan223 wrote...

as I said, opinions are individual, clearly. But when I see people dismiss ME2 because it was different than ME1 I get annoyed.

TBH I consider ME2 too be a vast improvement over ME1 in many respects BUT I can see how some would be annoyed at it. Its fine for me since I like the changes but the problem is that it is a sequel and unlike DA2 it not only set in the same universe its also the continuation of the same story and was always planned as a trilogy (so not a tacked on “oh its popular lets make a sequel game). Generally if you want to change things in a major way it is probably better to do it with a new franchise do that those who where fans of the first game don't all of a sudden get alienated and aren’t able to complete a story they are already emotionally invested in. It’s a feeling I understand to some extent because I am one of those idiots who has to finish a story once I start even if it starts going to crap.
Those who take it as a sign bioware is going to hell because they made a game not tailored to their specific taste or who accuse anyone who likes it of being a console ****** or child however ****** me off.

Yeah but when you develop an IP then you tend to develop games around it. It's rare for those games to be exactly like their predecessors.

I do sympathize with the ME1 fanatics, I honestly do. I was a huge Morrowind fan and hated Oblivion. It was a better game technically. It was certainly far more popular and won all kinds of awards. And it was hard to really attack it - my complaints sound whiney because I really simply hated it because it wasn't Morrowind. Of course, I didn't launch a futile Internet complain campaign to try to convince Bethesda that they should really focus on making games that I personally liked because my mom always said I was the most special boy in the world. But I understand the motivation.

True but at least with Morrowind and Oblivion, while set in the same world it is not the same story and with some of the other sequels for games, when it’s the same characters it was part of a different arc. ME1 is not a complete story on its own. I guess its would be kind of like LoTR all of a sudden changing style and tone in Two Towers. I’m not saying all the hate is justified or that people should come here and complain or kick up a fuss and scream at bioware because the game wasn’t what they wanted but I can see why this would get a bad reaction from those who loved the original.

I don’t think it was a bad decision on biowares part and that they should be slammed for it. With how expensive making a game is you can’t expect them to keep the series the same and not try to attract new fans and make their game appeal to more people just to keep some fans happy and perhaps they had intend the game to be more like this form the start just didn’t have the budget or hadn’t got the mix right. Not to mention ideas evolved and change. I mean when I draw a character I have trouble not redesigning them every time I draw them and it take me ages and many trials with different designs to hit on a look I like. ME1 seems like it was a trial to me. It was their first real attempt at this sort of game I think.

People should tell a developer what they did and didn’t like. It gives them feedback to work from. It’s only a problem when people are doing so in an inappropriate manner and screaming about it every chance they get (I’ll admit, I do it too without realising it sometimes). Tho everyone needs to remember that these forums are not the only source of feedback and the fans on here are not a fair representation of all bioware fans. People tend to be quicker to complain than praise, I mean if you love something you don’t need to say anything about it. It’s easier to pinpoint specific things you hate than what you like. In the end Bioware can do what they like and it’s our choice if we buy or not.

Annnnd I've gone on a completely offtopic rant, sorry

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 11 mars 2011 - 04:48 .

[InvincibleHero]

Nah I think most of their changes were based on the game data they collect in their recent games.

Being they posted sometime previously only 50% finished DA:O they felt maybe people wanted a simpler shorter game. Maybe they were looking for reasons to justify it. Right away I turned that off though they would see I'm a hardcore gamer and will eventually finish at least seven tplaythroughs of the Ultimate edition. How would they know if people stopped playing or just toggled it off.

[The Spamming Troll]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

i think complaining is why the mako was removed from ME1, and why planet scanning was revamped, or why niftu cal will be a squadmate in ME3.

youd rather a company be clueless about, what i think are some of its faults?

Complaining perhaps removed those things. But not by complaining on these boards. Bioware listens a lot to professional critics. They also run focus groups. Listening to complaining on the Internet is useless. Just look at these boards. For every opinion someone has, someone has the opposite opinion. And forums are as far from representative as you can get. Every opinion imaginable is expressed and no matter what Bioware does, you can find someone who suggested here.

People on the Blizzard boards used to think they listened too. Until Blizzard pretty much flatout said that there was far too much noise for them to collect anything useful from their forums.

I absolutely, 100% defend your right to express your disappointment in the game. I will never say you're wrong for disliking ME2 or wanting the Mako. I will argue you when you try to objectively prove that ME2 is crap but I respect your opinion as long as you respect mine. However, it is all just mental masturbation, for both us.

i dont think i really agree with that. the first time i played ME2 it felt like a huge shoutout to the old forum. even the fact that blasto the hanar is in the game should be enough representation that bioware does listen to its forumites. i dont think you can deny a forum as a representaion of the direction a game is going just becuase its filled with highly opinionated "mental masterbators."

i think most of the heat we see in these arguments stems from frustration on both sides. i never thought in a million years that i wouldnt apreciate playing ME2, untill i played it. i dont think its impossible to make both sides happy either. it seems almost obviouse to me ME3 needs to be equal parts ME1 and ME2 however that may be possible.

but your right, its all opinion, and in a way no one is really wrong or right, i guess.

[Whatever42]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

i dont think i really agree with that. the first time i played ME2 it felt like a huge shoutout to the old forum. even the fact that blasto the hanar is in the game should be enough representation that bioware does listen to its forumites. i dont think you can deny a forum as a representaion of the direction a game is going just becuase its filled with highly opinionated "mental masterbators."

i think most of the heat we see in these arguments stems from frustration on both sides. i never thought in a million years that i wouldnt apreciate playing ME2, untill i played it. i dont think its impossible to make both sides happy either. it seems almost obviouse to me ME3 needs to be equal parts ME1 and ME2 however that may be possible.

but your right, its all opinion, and in a way no one is really wrong or right, i guess.

I'd actually like to think you're right, and I don't think that Bioware 100% ignores the reaction on these boards, but as with the Blizzard boards, there's so much random noise and active campainging, how could they take it seriously?

I remember the old boards but most of what they changed the professional critics hated as well. And now there seems to be a lot more noise but maybe I'm just putting on my rose coloured glasses.

As to what you want, I won't disagree. In fact, I think there is actual little real disagreement on these boards in what would make a great game. Despite what the trolls say, there really aren't any COD fans here; we're all RPG fans. We may have slightly different priorities but that seems to lead to what they call the "tyranny of small differences".

For example, I didn't mind the locker inventory system. It lacked a sufficient degree of personalization, which I paid for in the DLC, but overall, it sufficed. Would I object to a GOOD inventory system being restored to the series? Of course not. I love personalization. Would I prefer they spend more time working on characters and the story instead of changing core mechanics that I could live with. YES.

So how much do we disagree? We both want more personalization. We both want great characters and story. We know that Bioware has a limited budget and timeframe. So I feel that spending time on inventory (beyond giving us more locker system options) is a waste of time. You might not. We don't really disagree in what makes a great game, we just have slightly different priorities. And somehow, that leads to thread after thread of insulting each other. Bleh.

I enjoy threads arguing about these priorities and what critical facets are required for an RPG, I just wish they wouldn't get so personal and people wouldn't question each others's RPG credentials or passion.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 11 mars 2011 - 05:20 .

[Thompson family]

SlurpinTaxt wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

I was playing EuroFighter 2000 on full difficulty before some of the people on this forum were born.

ME2 is a vast improvement.

Ok thompson, we get it, youre hardcore, stop browbeating us with your elitism

Oh, this is a hoot.

After being called an obvious juvenile and Call of Duty player by the RPG Elitists on this forum, I decide to let them in on a little secret: That if I was the teacher giving a course on gaming, they couldn't pass the entrance exam.

So what happens? I get tagged as an elitest, of course.

I love this forum.

[Thompson family]

Pwener2313 wrote...

SlurpinTaxt wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

I was playing EuroFighter 2000 on full difficulty before some of the people on this forum were born.

ME2 is a vast improvement.

Ok thompson, we get it, youre hardcore, stop browbeating us with your elitism

What the hell is EuroFighter?

A 1995 jet fighter simulator that, back in its day, was considered hardcore.