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[Drapondur]

Had the same problem.
The workaround of ParasiteX works fine!
Thanks!

[Serpieri Nei]

I've been looking for the Fire Damage Reistance value but have not been able to locate it. Can anyone direct to me to where its located within the save file?

[windezz]

This particular bug was already mentioned in the Read Me file that came
with the game when I downloaded it via Steam, except in the file it said
the occurrence is "rare" and it played down the prevalence of the bug.



Hopefully the devs were already working on a fix instead of seemingly being surprised by it.



Sorted a few posts in the thread for easier reading.

First, the link to saved file editor download:


http://social.biowar...ect/1936/#files

Excuse me on the format below, I just want to play the game, not spending more time copy/paste on a forum than necessary!  Obviously, much thanks to those who come up with the solutions.


Atk speed bug & fix:

I found a more permanat fix to the problem.  Using the Dragon Age Save game editor (daosavegame.exe) Look for the Fire Damage Reistance value. It has an ID of 42. Seems Bioware changed the id values for stats and 42 is now Attack speed.  Youll notice that under modifier it has a negative value. Simply change that to 0 and save.  And presto, Hawke has normal attack speed again.

Aint i just awesome. took me all 10 min to find and figure out how to fix..

Oh another thing. you may have to set the modifier value to 5 if you have for instance Isabellas passive friendship buff to attack speed, just set it to 5 in that case.

EDIT: What i mean is incase there was a missunderstanding with what i said. if you have Isabella in your active party in the current save and your fully befriended her then set it to 5.

Stamina big & fix:

For those like me, however, who had a stable decline of Stamina (it lowered continuously throughout the game from 160 to 110) just modify the "Modifier" value of the "Defense" tab back to 0.0, that helps.

Defense and Dexterity bug & fix: ( Last Descent set bonus may cause this)

Can add i confirm the defence leak. not sure whats causing it tho. But its dereasing Defence by exactly 20 for me. Best way to see if its affecting you is to remove all armor and equpment and deactivate any buffs affecting defence.
Then in Save game editor look at the modifier. It should be 25. Atleast for Rogues it should be at 25 without any equipment on. So to fix simply increase the current value by 20. Or atleast the value needed to get it to 25. Also be sure to increase the "current" value by the same amount as well.

I also noticed a dexterity leak. Possibly it was caused by the LAst Descent armor set bonus. not entierly sure. But it lowered my dexterity by 1. Very easy to fix and fin. same procedure there. remove all armor and make sure the modifiers are correct. For instance rogues should have a modifier of +3 on dexterity, +2 Cunning, +1 Willpower,
Also note that ID 4, which is called Magic in editor is actually Cunning, And ID 5 which is Cunning in editor is actually Willpower. Hope they update the editor soon with correct table values.

EDIT: From looking at a fresh save wtih a main char as rogue i noticed that rogues have a base modifier of 25 in defence, Warriors have 0, and Mages have 50..
Hmm probably need to take a trip to Hanged man and strip down my companions and double check their stats..

EDIT2: From what i can see companions dont seem to be affected by any stat leaks. Guess their modifiers gets adjusted properly when anything affecting their stats runs out. Could be because of the way they get removed from party wheras Hawke is always active and buffs never auto deactivate on Hawke.

Can confirm that the Last Descent set bonus is causing a similar problem like with Isabella's friendship buff.
The stat with ID 10 tagged as defence in editor is actually Stamina. And that it gets stuck at -20 matches the set bonus which adds +1 dexterity and +20 stamina.
Must be a problem with how the script scrubs the stats when ability is not supposed to be active anymore.
But like stated by others theres defiantly something else thats also causing a reduction in attack speed.

Injury Immunity "buff":

actually there is one more that seems to be wrong. at a certain point (after dying a lot I assume, since that's what I do most of the time ), your remaining health (the value that determines how injured you are) gets so far into the negative that you are no longer injured at all upon death + revive (currently at -680.0 for me).
so this one should be added to the list
but again, this doesn't happen until later in the game. I'm not sure why though.

Threat modifier & ID:

Anyone know what is on id 53 on the savegame editor? It has no Name and the modifier is -29.3199996948 (also my animation modifier is atm at -70.0)

And who is unknown1295? (in the party approval, but not in the list of individual party members where you change the stats)

Not exactly sure what it does. But it does seem to have class specific function. For isntance. Rogues have -25, Mages have -50 and warriors have 0. Not exactly sure what stat it modifies. But in any case it should be at those values i stated for that specific class.

ID 53 is Threat_Modifier. In this case, negative is good. It means that enemies are less likely to target the specified class.

Also, I believe, but don't quote me as I may be wrong, that the two unknowns are Bethany and Carver, in that order. I suspect this because they are the only two members that can also be in your party, and their friendliness/rivalry are equal to the scores of those characters for my game.

Normal must be easy because my mage rocked it with like over -50% damage resistance and no defensive toggles.  >.>

[DB2727]

I think the problem with Isabella and Sebastian occurs when you enter an area where they are removed from the party without going through the party selection screen. If I go to the Hawke Estate with Isabella in the party (therefore removing her form the party automatically) and check the save file, the -5% speed issue seems to occur. If I go to, say, the Docks and use the party selection interface to take her out of the party and then go to my estate, the penalty doesn't show up (and her icon for the friendship bonus disappears from Hawke's "Abilities" screen, which doesn't happen the other way around).

If this is the case, the simple solution for now would be to go to somewhere that you can use the party selection "horns" (the Hanged Man has one just inside the entrance), and make sure neither Isabella or Sebastion is in the party when you enter the estate (or anywhere else the party member gets stripped from your party automatically, like the Qunari compound in the case of Isabella).

[Mephales]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

I've been looking for the Fire Damage Reistance value but have not been able to locate it. Can anyone direct to me to where its located within the save file?

I actually did update my savegame editor a few days ago with the DA2 properties, so it's now correctly labeled Animation_Speed_Modifier in daosavegame.exe.

[Naitaka]

DB2727 wrote...

I think the problem with Isabella and Sebastian occurs when you enter an area where they are removed from the party without going through the party selection screen. If I go to the Hawke Estate with Isabella in the party (therefore removing her form the party automatically) and check the save file, the -5% speed issue seems to occur. If I go to, say, the Docks and use the party selection interface to take her out of the party and then go to my estate, the penalty doesn't show up (and her icon for the friendship bonus disappears from Hawke's "Abilities" screen, which doesn't happen the other way around).

If this is the case, the simple solution for now would be to go to somewhere that you can use the party selection "horns" (the Hanged Man has one just inside the entrance), and make sure neither Isabella or Sebastion is in the party when you enter the estate (or anywhere else the party member gets stripped from your party automatically, like the Qunari compound in the case of Isabella).

Confirmed, whenever they're removed from the party without going through the party selection screen will cause the friendship ability to stay on your abilities screen.

Also, I've figured out how to get rid of the bug more permnently, well, until you break it again anyway. 

Whenever you see a friendship bonus on your abilities screen that shouldn't be there. Go to a party selection horn. Put both Isabela and Sebastian in your party and Quick Save.
Then use the Save Editor to modify your attack speed and damage reduction modifer to their proper value. (5.0 for both if you don't have any other abilities or aren't wearing any equipment that changes those values.) Load your Quick Save, then remove Isabela and Sebastian from your party.
Check your Abilities screen again and see if those two abilities have been properly removed. Then check your resistance to see if your damage reduction has been reset to the right value.

This will fix the bug until the next time you either:
1. Go to Hawke's Mansion without removing Isabela/Sebastian from your party first.
2. Play a quest that force remove them from your party, for example, going to the Qunari compound with Isabela, or on Isabela's Companion quest in Act 2.

Modifié par Naitaka, 17 mars 2011 - 02:30 .

[Eternal Dust]

I didn't think I would be affected by this, but it's also happening to me! It started occurring in Act 3. I wouldn't have noticed if I hadn't looked through the save game editor. Fortunately for me, I had only a -15, but it's still quite annoying.

Edit: So I made a fresh save without Isabela in my party (removed her manually at the Hanged Man and went outside). I opened it up with editor and fixed the negative modifier back to 0. Reloaded the game and went to the Gallows. Made another fresh save. I opened it up in the editor again and noticed that somehow a -5 modifier still got tacked onto the new save. Gah! I want to rip my hair out now.

Modifié par octoberfire, 17 mars 2011 - 03:17 .

[JayJayAmor]

Edit: So, Fire Resistance stands for Attack Speed in DA2. Anybody an idea what the other stats stand for? Directly under Fire Resi I got stamina/mana and this shows -20. Wanna know if this is alright? And I've read something about Defense, which is zero for a warrior at the beginning of the game, 25 for rogues and 50 for mages.

Does Defense get corrupted as well? If so, how? And how to fix it? Would the Attribute Screen possibly be wrong (showing wrong stats) or what is this all about?

Aww man, Bioware.. How could such major bugs happen? :/ And what are Ps3 or Xbox gamer supposed to do against this (doesn't affect me, only empathy)?

But thank you guys so much for finding an almost not annoying way to quickly fix this bug. My char needed like 5 seconds to hit anything.. Thanks again, especially ParasiteX! 

Edit2: Oh.. This bug seems to be rather heavy. Sebastian is also affected.

So actually the thing you need to know is how the stats for speed and dmg resistance are supposed to be when naked and having no abilities active, right? Both of these stats should be zero, I guess. So Fireresi is Speed and Dmg Resi is ???.

Am I right to say that after playing some hours adding sebastian/isabela and occasionally removing them, one solution to get rid of their negative effects is to get naked, save game, reset values to 0 save and exit and load the game again. It's late I haven't read through the whole thread by now. But I will tomorrow. Thus I apologize if I asked questions that have already been answered.

Modifié par JayJayAmor, 17 mars 2011 - 04:03 .

[jangowuzhere]

I hope this gets fixed soon, I don't really wanna play the game and have to edit my save games every couple of hours.

[Eternal Dust]

Naitaka wrote...
Also, I've figured out how to get rid of the bug more permnently, well, until you break it again anyway. 

Whenever you see a friendship bonus on your abilities screen that shouldn't be there. Go to a party selection horn. Put both Isabela and Sebastian in your party and Quick Save.
Then use the Save Editor to modify your attack speed and damage reduction modifer to their proper value. (5.0 for both if you don't have any other abilities or aren't wearing any equipment that changes those values.) Load your Quick Save, then remove Isabela and Sebastian from your party.
Check your Abilities screen again and see if those two abilities have been properly removed. Then check your resistance to see if your damage reduction has been reset to the right value.

This will fix the bug until the next time you either:
1. Go to Hawke's Mansion without removing Isabela/Sebastian from your party first.
2. Play a quest that force remove them from your party, for example, going to the Qunari compound with Isabela, or on Isabela's Companion quest in Act 2.

Finally it works! I hope it stays that way...

[ashwind]

I posted this in the wrong place it seems but the following is what I discovered.

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Alright, some has complained that Hawke's attack speed slows down a lot after getting Isabela's Friendly Passive Ability. I never paid attention to attack speed because I am a skill spammer. What I do notice is that Hawke takes more and more damage after I get Sebastian's Friendly Passive Ability.

So I did some testing (because I fell that these two issue maybe related) and here are my findings:

Problem
Hawke suffers increasing Attack Speed and Damage Resistant penalty upon gaining the Friendly Passive from Isabela and Sebastian. Depending on the playstyle, this penalty can be very minor or it can be extremely major.

Steps to Reproduce
I am able to reproduce this bug by doing the following. I used Sebastian's Damage Resistant Passive ability to test this bug because I can actually see the figure in the Resistant menu instead of looking for a fight and observe the said attack speed slow down.

* This test can only be performed if you have gain at least the friendly ability of Isabela or Sebastian. Having both recommended.

1. Goto Fenris's estate. Change Party Members and make sure you include Isabela and Sebastian.

2. Check the ability page and see that you have both the friendly ability. Check the Damage Resistant value.

3. Travel to Merrel's House. Change Party Members, swap Isabela and Sebastian with any other 2 companions.

4. Check the ability page and see that both the friendly ability is removed. Check the Damage Resistant value.

5. Save the game.

6. Load the newly saved game.

7. Check the ability page, check the resistant page.

In Step 7, I notice when I load the game, even with Isabela and Sebastian removed, their passive ability bonus appears in my ability page after loading the game. The resistant page however shows that I do not receive any bonus from those abilities.

8. Add Isabela and Sebastian back to your party and remove them again.

In Step 8, when they are removed, they actually reduce my damage resistant score (I imagine my attack speed value as well).

Conclusion
It seems that the save game itself (or the way it is loaded) is causing this problem - or the way the game is loaded is causing this problem. When I save the game - those passive abilities are NOT there but when the game is loaded... 

Dodging the Bug
Umm... I try to make sure I only load save files where both Isabela and Sebastian in the group after their friend ability is unlock.

[Edit]Summary
1. When game is saved or loaded - Game checks for Friend Ability and apply them to Hawke.

2. Game then check to see if those companions are in the party and does not apply the bonus to Hawke while keeping Hawke flagged for having those abilities.

3. When changing companion, Game check for companion passive ability and remove them together with the "bonus" which was never applied in the first place.

4, Strongly indicate that this is a Save/Load bug because if you keep on playing without saving or loading - this will not happen.

Modifié par ashwind, 17 mars 2011 - 04:03 .

[JayJayAmor]

ashwind wrote...

[...]

4, Strongly indicate that this is a Save/Load bug because if you keep on playing without saving or loading - this will not happen.

Hm, I tested something in the hanged man. Added and removed Isabela like 10 times. Went out (autosave) and was hitting like a snail. Shouldn't I have only received the penalty once, regardless of how many times I switched Isabela, when your theory is right? I am pretty sure I was hitting way slower than just -5%.. -50% would be rather possible.

Did I just get you wrong or is this actually contradicting your save/load theory?

Ps.: I didn't check the savegame editor, cuz I tested this when I first heard of the bug and didn't know about the savegame editor "bugfix". I can just say that I hit way slower after having Isabela removed and added again all the time.

Edit: Could it be that there was this "debuff" stacking going on when I tested this in the hanged man but it didn't take effect UNTIL the game was saved or loaded?

Edit2: I'd like to come up with the idea (or question) again that knowing how the values for defense, attackspeed etc. (what etc actually? Something with stamina is also bugged? I don't rightly see through all this as of yet. What stats can be corrupted by bugs?) are supposed to be when naked? Cuz fixing them at times for a naked Hawke via the savegame editor would be sufficient, would it not? In order to make your hawke a "Champion" again without penalties?

Or do I miss here anything? How to prevent the bugs from occuring is another thing again. First of all I want to have a clean save again, which I right now definitely have not.

Modifié par JayJayAmor, 17 mars 2011 - 04:32 .

[ashwind]

JayJayAmor wrote...

ashwind wrote...

[...]

4, Strongly indicate that this is a Save/Load bug because if you keep on playing without saving or loading - this will not happen.

Hm, I tested something in the hanged man. Added and removed Isabela like 10 times. Went out (autosave) and was hitting like a snail. Shouldn't I have only received the penalty once, regardless of how many times I switched Isabela, when your theory is right? I am pretty sure I was hitting way slower than just -5%.. -50% would be rather possible.

Did I just get you wrong or is this actually contradicting your save/load theory?

Ps.: I didn't check the savegame editor, cuz I tested this when I first heard of the bug and didn't know about the savegame editor "bugfix". I can just say that I hit way slower after having Isabela removed and added again all the time.

Edit: Could it be that there was this "debuff" stacking going on when I tested this in the hanged man but it didn't take effect UNTIL the game was saved or loaded?

To test this with Isabela is a little tricky because you cannot see your attack speed figure/stat in game. However, if you follow the steps I have described and test it with Sebastian - u can immediately see that your Damage Resistant is going down the drain. Since both Isabela and Sebastian's ability work the same, it is safe to assume that the attack speed too is affected this way.

I never notice the damage resistant going down until I load a a game without Sebastian in my party - hence I believe it is the logic of loading that is causing this stacking "debuff".

EDIT:
You can check your Damage Resistant value by going to the Character screen and select Resistence from the menu. Remove all equipment for easy readings.

Modifié par ashwind, 17 mars 2011 - 04:36 .

[___AL___]

This... is such a major disappointment. I just got this problem in Act III. I'm playing the Mac version.

I noticed before at various times that Isabella's bonus would show up in my abilities screen even though I didn't have her in my party. Same with Sebastian. But this never made me hit like a snail - until now. It's damn annoying. People say so many crap things about this game but I love it, and have convinced my friends to buy it also. But since then, the mirror quest has locked up for my friend (PC version) and now I can't play my rogue anymore after 35+ hours. This game does feel rushed. And my money was milked. Epic fail. I don't want to edit anything. I paid for this game. I want to be able to play it. There was a patch today. I hope there will be one soon that will fix this. There better not be any DLCs until every major bug like this is fixed.

[___AL___]

Is there even a saved game editor for the Mac version???

[snfonseka]

So if I omit Sebastian or Isabella from my party, I won't get this bug. Will I?

[ashwind]

snfonseka wrote...

So if I omit Sebastian or Isabella from my party, I won't get this bug. Will I?

Not really - you will not experience this bug if you dont get high enough friendship with them so that the passive ability never gets activated. Once you are friends with them... always save the game with them in the party and load a game with them in the party I find allowed me to dodge this bug. Not sure if you can avoid it 100% becaues of plots etc...

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Ok, yeah this needs to be a priority fix.  My rogue is already suffering due to my not knowing about this bug and using Isabela. I'm friends with her so I get the Thumbs Up Buff, but I don't..  then it goes away and that's -5% speed.  Every time I go back to my house I lose 5% of my rogue's speed.  Seriously game breaking!

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

ashwind wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

So if I omit Sebastian or Isabella from my party, I won't get this bug. Will I?

Not really - you will not experience this bug if you dont get high enough friendship with them so that the passive ability never gets activated. Once you are friends with them... always save the game with them in the party and load a game with them in the party I find allowed me to dodge this bug. Not sure if you can avoid it 100% becaues of plots etc...

Yeah, if you need to go back to your house for any reason, oh look Isabela just left the party.

I just now realized that my rouge is affected by this, now that I know about it, I see it.  Guess I won't be playing until this is fixed, at least not my rogue.

God, I realy hope when they do fix it then also they will REPAIR broken characters.  Although I am on the PC, I am not comfortable editing save files

Modifié par AbsolutGrndZer0, 17 mars 2011 - 07:15 .

[Bladewatch]

Okay - this is bizarre.

I simply CANNOT get this bug to trigger. I've followed the step's in Ashwind's post, I've got Isabela's bonus and it shows up in the save files. I can throw her in and out of the party all I like, but the save file doesn't show anything untoward. I've even saved, reloaded and then saved again in case the corruption occurs during a load.

I don't have Sebastian's friendship, but then again, I've just started ACT II and have done nothing but run around Kirkwall talking to people.

I get the feeling there's something in Act 2 which triggers it off. Alternatively it could just be that I've never resurrected Hawk. Either way, I'm now keeping a watch out for this particular issue - nothing like Save Game paranoia to really improve the experience.

[specter7237]

K I'm on the PC checked my most recent save, and a few others to be sure. Attack speed modifier is 31, which should be accurate given I'm using Sandals attack speed rune. I used Isabella almost exclusively from the middle of act 2, and went home a lot. No bug at all here, played a warrior if that makes any difference.

[ashwind]

Bladewatch wrote...

Okay - this is bizarre.

I simply CANNOT get this bug to trigger. I've followed the step's in Ashwind's post, I've got Isabela's bonus and it shows up in the save files. I can throw her in and out of the party all I like, but the save file doesn't show anything untoward. I've even saved, reloaded and then saved again in case the corruption occurs during a load.

I don't have Sebastian's friendship, but then again, I've just started ACT II and have done nothing but run around Kirkwall talking to people.

I get the feeling there's something in Act 2 which triggers it off. Alternatively it could just be that I've never resurrected Hawk. Either way, I'm now keeping a watch out for this particular issue - nothing like Save Game paranoia to really improve the experience.

I have simplified the steps to reproduce this bug and the resuslts are at least consistant on my PC.

1. Just save a game after getting Isabela's Thumb's Up Ability without Isabela in the party also make sure that the Ability is NOT listed in Hawke's Ability screen before you save the game.

2. Load the game that you just saved (do not need to travel). Check and confirm that even without Isabela in the party and that her Passive Ability is NOT listed prior to you saving the game - the ability now appears in Hawke's ability screen.

3. Go to the change party screen - do not have to change party members - just click Confirm.

4. Check and confirm that Isabela's Passive Ability is now gone from Hawke's ability screen (again - Isabela not in party). Save and Load again.

5. Now repeat step 1 - 4 for say... 10 times (20 times for best results in theory) and go pick a fight.

Honestly, I have only tested on the Damage Resistant portion before this post but I just did the above steps like 5-7 times and wow... I didnt realize Hawke was a Tai Chi Master until now 
:O

[Eternal Dust]

octoberfire wrote...

Naitaka wrote...
Also, I've figured out how to get rid of the bug more permnently, well, until you break it again anyway. 

Whenever you see a friendship bonus on your abilities screen that shouldn't be there. Go to a party selection horn. Put both Isabela and Sebastian in your party and Quick Save.
Then use the Save Editor to modify your attack speed and damage reduction modifer to their proper value. (5.0 for both if you don't have any other abilities or aren't wearing any equipment that changes those values.) Load your Quick Save, then remove Isabela and Sebastian from your party.
Check your Abilities screen again and see if those two abilities have been properly removed. Then check your resistance to see if your damage reduction has been reset to the right value.

This will fix the bug until the next time you either:
1. Go to Hawke's Mansion without removing Isabela/Sebastian from your party first.
2. Play a quest that force remove them from your party, for example, going to the Qunari compound with Isabela, or on Isabela's Companion quest in Act 2.

Finally it works! I hope it stays that way...

Doesn't work anymore. Somehow the -5 stacks on randomly even with a fresh save. I just removed a -10 modifier after playing for a couple more hours. I haven't even touched Isabela since then. I don't know why it keeps showing up even without Isabela being in the party. This bites, but at least I'm almost done with this playthrough.

[Dmialtar]

Sorry for my bad English
Main Character stats bonuses bugged...
I'm suffer not only from Isabella and Sebastian bug...
My current mage HP is 25 less then before (Same CON) after 5-6 use of Maker Sigh(random saving\\reloading in process).
My Base maximum Mana 25 less too (135 instead of 160)
Blood Mage specialization add 25 hp(always take it)
Spirit healer add 25 mana (always take it too)
coincidence?... or all "permanent" abilities (bonuses) bugged and become penalties when removed(and saved\\reloaded after this)?

P.S. Are we beta testers?

Modifié par Dmialtar, 17 mars 2011 - 09:42 .

[Wuxia]

I have this bug as well, at the end of Act 1. These are my observations:

Loading any save after having had friendly Isabela in your party will cause 'Thumbs Up' to appear on your ability screen (without Isabela in your party). Also any forced removal of Isabela from the party will cause this.
When you then proceed to add Isabela to your party and you already have 'Thumbs Up' on your ability screen your attack speed will be lowered by 5%. I guess this is because it is 'removing' the effect (-5%) then adding it again (+5%) which puts you at 0% with Isabela in your party. Removing Isabela results in it going to -5%.

Two work arounds that are working for me:
Save editing every time you add Isabela to your party with 'Thumbs Up' already showing.
Save/Load with Isabela in your party every time.

I'm on PC and I don't have Sebastian. Both work arounds are a pain - hope this gets fixed quickly.

Edit:
 Somehow I've stopped 'Thumbs Up' being permanently in my ability screen but it still bugs out whenever I interact with Isabela. I removed Isabela from my party then went to the Emporium and used Maker's Sigh. This bugged out the first time so i reloaded and did it again and 'Thumb's Up' has gone.

Modifié par Banon Loire, 17 mars 2011 - 01:52 .