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[Voods07]

 Did anyone almost throw their chair out the window when you saw what happened to Liandra? I almost did in a fit of rage. 

I'll comapre its jaw-dropping factor to that of Mass Effect 2's openening scene. Very sad/shocking.

Modifié par Voods07, 10 mars 2011 - 10:53 .

[Melra]

I was smashing my keyboard and hoping my fem mage Hawke would've done same thing to the mage, as she did to the ogre in the intro. I had already lost both of the siblings, so I was pretty much ''THIS CANT BE HAPPENING!!''

[Mr.House]

I cried like a baby. The scene was just so powerful and well written.

[Fidget6]

 I was not expecting them to kill her off so early in the game, and yeah the whole thing was pretty sick. I felt REALLY bad for Hawke, he just can't catch a break! Yeah, when she died my jaw literally dropped and I was shouting "Oh my God, really?! Why?" I just couldn't believe that they would kill Carver, then make Bethany leave, and then kill your mom, pretty much all one right after another. I was hoping for some grief-stricken canoodling with Anders afterwards, which I did get which was very sweet.   But yeah, definitely one of the most unexpected moments in a video game for me.

[nubbers666]

sick twisted mines at work in bioware

think the writers are blood mages lol should we contact the chantry on them

[Killagame]

When they said white lilies came for her I started to tear up. I was like "Oh crap! Aww Crap! No...not to my mother." When It was over I had to put my controller down and walk away for a bit lol

[Rawrimsarah]

I had to stop playing for a good few hours. I've been describing the game as heart wrenching to all my friends. Definitely some powerful story telling.

[AlexXIV]

Just came here to find exatly that out. I was suddenly feeling sick and cannot keep playing so I am starting an earlier save game to find a way to save Hawke's mother, because i am not getting past this part without. Seriously, first I lost Carver, then I almost lost Bethany (had to start an earlier save game because I took her into the deep roads) and now this.

*spoiler*

And in case any Bioware dev is reading this, the way Hawke is losing her and all the thoughs in my head that came with was completely sick, pervert and unneccessary and had nothting to do with dramaturgy but rather with someone needing to lay off the drugs. Seriously I would have been sad about Leandra's death if the way it happened didn't make me angry and fighting the urge to throw up at the same time.

So anyway, I'd also be grateful for any clues as to how keep Hawke's mom alive. I am looking in game but I am posting here for the chance I don't find out what I did wrong first time.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 10 mars 2011 - 11:48 .

[Fidget6]

AlexXIV wrote...

Just came here to find exatly that out. I was suddenly feeling sick and cannot keep playing so I am starting an earlier save game to find a way to save Hawke's mother, because i am not getting past this part without. Seriously, first I lost Carver, then I almost lost Bethany (had to start an earlier save game because I took her into the deep roads) and now this.

*spoiler*

And in case any Bioware dev is reading this, the way Hawke is losing her and all the thoughs in my head that came with was completely sick, pervert and unneccessary and had nothting to do with dramaturgy but rather with someone needing to lay off the drugs. Seriously I would have been sad about Leandra's death if the way it happened didn't make me angry and fighting the urge to throw up at the same time.

So anyway, I'd also be grateful for any clues as to how keep Hawke's mom alive. I am looking in game but I am posting here for the chance I don't find out what I did wrong first time.

Can you keep her alive? I'm pretty sure you can't.

[jarnaez]

General assumption is there isn't one. Between most players nearly all the options have been checked and she seems to die regardless.

[Soulcheg]

Bioware, it was very low and despicable. It was absolutely not necessary at all. Arrange family massacre it is a very cheap move. Carver, Bethany, mother. Why was it necessary to introduce them to us at all? To immediately brutally kill them one by one? Is this Dragon Age game or a "Saw" movie? It's like a cheap novel, when the writer  introduce too many new characters to us, and later he does not know what to do next with all of them, and he is forced to kill them one by one to finish a novel. This script was written by a man with a very perverted mind. Dixie.


Sorry if I was rude, but this script knocked me off balance.

Modifié par Soulcheg, 11 mars 2011 - 12:11 .

[Geiyu]

There are 2 options to finding her...Dupuis and following a blood trail...but I don't know if Dupuis` method actually SAVES her....which would make it a pointless pair of options in my book. Kind of like, "Which would you prefer to start the fire? Matches, or rubbing two sticks together?" Pointless option, you're going to choose matches, and you'll get the same result...fire. So, check it out, and see - assuming you haven't already. I need to do that myself.

As for what happened when I saw it? I was sad...I nearly cried...I blamed myself for failing her...and then? Then I went: "Can't change it. Have to accept it. *inhales deeply* Have to move on."

@AlexXIV: That was kind of the point. To make you angry. To feel as if you yourself had been wronged in such a way. It was designed to play off of your feelings.

To be fair, it's not the first time BioWare has killed your mother...Dragon Age: Origins human noble origin kills your mother, father, sister-in-law, and nephew all in one felled swoop. So considering your mother lives THAT long in DA2, well, it's a miracle. :-P

[TripLight]

I teared up, but damn, I was also impressed. MY PC actually showed the appropriate amount of emotion trying to get to her as well. I was admittedly tear-assing through as well simple because I was that immersed, scared and pissed, Alana Hawke wanted her mother.

And my LI (Anders) at the end, the rare NPC comforting the PC. I was sold.

[InHarmsWay]

I loved the witty line in this conversation. Really matched the mood.

Mother: "I knew you would come for me, Hawke."

Witty remark with a very sad tone: "You know me... Always running in to save the day."

[Shadowrun1177]

There is no way to save his/her mother. I've done the Dupuis lead, and though it takes you right to the killer it still too late. Plus Dupuis isn't who he claims, his the killers former apprentice and wants to learn the secrets of necromancy from him though you can talk him down and have him fight along side you. This quest is so heart wrenching cause Hawke loses all his/her family.

Modifié par Shadowrun1177, 11 mars 2011 - 12:54 .

[Camilladilla]

I knew what was coming since I spoiled myself, but even knowing that I couldn't fight the dread as I listened to Hawke's lines while I followed the blood trails. And then I just felt so hopeless after the entire sequence, but that moment you have with your LI after everything was a great touch and it did make me smile despite everything.

[Sinvx]

AlexXIV wrote...

Just came here to find exatly that out. I was suddenly feeling sick and cannot keep playing so I am starting an earlier save game to find a way to save Hawke's mother, because i am not getting past this part without. Seriously, first I lost Carver, then I almost lost Bethany (had to start an earlier save game because I took her into the deep roads) and now this.

*spoiler*

And in case any Bioware dev is reading this, the way Hawke is losing her and all the thoughs in my head that came with was completely sick, pervert and unneccessary and had nothting to do with dramaturgy but rather with someone needing to lay off the drugs. Seriously I would have been sad about Leandra's death if the way it happened didn't make me angry and fighting the urge to throw up at the same time.

So anyway, I'd also be grateful for any clues as to how keep Hawke's mom alive. I am looking in game but I am posting here for the chance I don't find out what I did wrong first time.

Don't kill the Blood Mage that was the first suspect, when your mother is gone, go talk to him. That's what I read from another thread anyways. Don't know if you can save her.


The whole point of that scenario was to show you how ugly mages can be. Most people sympathize with the Mages, and condemn the Templars, when you see what happened to Hawks mother, you think twice.

Modifié par Sinvx, 11 mars 2011 - 01:10 .

[-Zorph-]

Sinvx wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Just came here to find exatly that out. I was suddenly feeling sick and cannot keep playing so I am starting an earlier save game to find a way to save Hawke's mother, because i am not getting past this part without. Seriously, first I lost Carver, then I almost lost Bethany (had to start an earlier save game because I took her into the deep roads) and now this.

*spoiler*

And in case any Bioware dev is reading this, the way Hawke is losing her and all the thoughs in my head that came with was completely sick, pervert and unneccessary and had nothting to do with dramaturgy but rather with someone needing to lay off the drugs. Seriously I would have been sad about Leandra's death if the way it happened didn't make me angry and fighting the urge to throw up at the same time.

So anyway, I'd also be grateful for any clues as to how keep Hawke's mom alive. I am looking in game but I am posting here for the chance I don't find out what I did wrong first time.

Don't kill the Blood Mage that was the first suspect, when your mother is gone, go talk to him. That's what I read from another thread anyways. Don't know if you can save her.


The whole point of that scenario was to show you how ugly mages can be. Most people sympathize with the Mages, and condemn the Templars, when you see what happened to Hawks mother, you think twice.

Hmph, no kidding. Was going to be a Mage next playthrough -- not anymore. I will be a Rogue because Mages gross me out now.  Also, we should just Trainquil all of them.






In all seriousness...
It really is great story writing during this quest. Except the whole being alone in the world feel is kind of depressing.

[Geiyu]

Sinvx wrote...

Don't kill the Blood Mage that was the first suspect, when your mother is gone, go talk to him. That's what I read from another thread anyways. Don't know if you can save her.


The whole point of that scenario was to show you how ugly mages can be. Most people sympathize with the Mages, and condemn the Templars, when you see what happened to Hawks mother, you think twice.

Didn't make me think twice...I've seen what mages can do...I remember Uldred. But I also remember Jowan. Misguided, but far from evil, despite his use of blood magic. Blood magic is not an inherently evil magic...no magic is. Magic is not a living thing, therefore it cannot be inherently good or evil. Like anything else, it's applications can be made as such, but it does not take sides.

I also remember Arl Howe. A traitorous snake, and a fiend who tortured, and murdered innocents. He didn't need magic to do that. Always remember...the weapon does not make the man.

Anyone can be sick. Maybe, just maybe, if magic weren't so confined, there could have been a better chance of saving your mother. Of course, if the Templar's were CAPABLE of doing their damned jobs, and had THOROUGHLY searched that foundry, instead of looking around, seeing no young mage, and just leaving it at that...maybe that psycho could have been stopped before even Ninette had been butchered.

The Templars are failures. Simple as that. They can't handle situations they were ordained to handle, and yet they're given the leashes of mages? Varric said it best, "I always look at every second idiot and think, 'He needs more power.'"

The point of it? It's to make you feel HATE...to make you ANGRY...to make you sad, and hurt...to feel as if it were your REAL mother that it happened to. But it's how you react to it that makes it REALLY work. Some have raged about it...some have lauded their ability to make you feel...and some have, as they said, had to walk away from their game for a while.

[mione]

Mother just died ;_; was it something I did wrong in act 1? can you really not save her? It's Mama Cousland all over again!

*cries*

Modifié par mione, 11 mars 2011 - 01:39 .

[strikeblade]

I was in shock when i saw it happened i was like "really..." i mean you lose both siblings then your only family left minus gamlen (cause he's a greedy butthole) is your mother has to die and die in such a way. It definitely cause me to shed some tears ;_;.

[nranola]

mione wrote...

Mother just died ;_; was it something I did wrong in act 1? can you really not save her? It's Mama Cousland all over again!

*cries*

She even has the same voice actress, if my ears serve me well. Mamaaaaa. ;___;

But yes, seeing what had happened to her was really sad and sickening. I was surprised she was still able to talk to Hawke after all that. I thought she'd be a mindless corpse milling around by then. :C

[AlexXIV]

Well I'd even half way accept that Bioware think it was a good idea to introduce a hero with family just to kill them off to harvest a few tears. But as I said I wasn't and am not sad. Just angry at Bioware for doing it that way. Even below the belt is an understatement for that and if I was a Bioware employee I would be ashamed right now. And it is not about dramaturgy. It's just about being creepy and freaky and destroying my immersion at that point. And my willingness to finish the game.

[Quietness]

It uh, yea....

From the moment i heard "white lilies" i started to tear up. Than later with Bethany, normally would have chosen the diplomatic route, but there was much with the i'm going to slaughter you all if you even move to touch her.

[JoshMeinzer]

AlexXIV wrote...

Well I'd even half way accept that Bioware think it was a good idea to introduce a hero with family just to kill them off to harvest a few tears. But as I said I wasn't and am not sad. Just angry at Bioware for doing it that way. Even below the belt is an understatement for that and if I was a Bioware employee I would be ashamed right now. And it is not about dramaturgy. It's just about being creepy and freaky and destroying my immersion at that point. And my willingness to finish the game.

Creating humour or satisfaction (ding, level up!) in a game is easy. Creating a moment of actual disgust, anger and helplessness is masterful.  If they had just killed her right off, it wouldn't have hurt.  I honestly expected that once we'd got a few hours in the game, she'd be around to the end for the usual happy ending.

Congrats to Bioware for knocking me on my ass.  This isn't a PG story for some happy, linear video game.  This is a tale of tragedy.