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[AlexXIV]

JoshMeinzer wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well I'd even half way accept that Bioware think it was a good idea to introduce a hero with family just to kill them off to harvest a few tears. But as I said I wasn't and am not sad. Just angry at Bioware for doing it that way. Even below the belt is an understatement for that and if I was a Bioware employee I would be ashamed right now. And it is not about dramaturgy. It's just about being creepy and freaky and destroying my immersion at that point. And my willingness to finish the game.

Creating humour or satisfaction (ding, level up!) in a game is easy. Creating a moment of actual disgust, anger and helplessness is masterful.  If they had just killed her right off, it wouldn't have hurt.  I honestly expected that once we'd got a few hours in the game, she'd be around to the end for the usual happy ending.

Congrats to Bioware for knocking me on my ass.  This isn't a PG story for some happy, linear video game.  This is a tale of tragedy.

And what is masterful about killing off your mother in the worst possible way? That's just the simplest, easiest and cheapest plot device ever. So we give our hero a family and then we kill them off. Yeah, very deep, very creative. It's not like it happens in any video games ever. But you know what, there must be people who like this kind of thing, so I am not surprised someone likes it.

[Miko York]

I believe Bioware shall make DCL that lets you to save mother. I would pay for this, and replay game just to fix this moment. Hate it, really.

[LeaveMeAlone9009]

Voods07 wrote...

 Did anyone almost throw their chair out the window when you saw what happened to Liandra? I almost did in a fit of rage. 

I'll comapre its jaw-dropping factor to that of Mass Effect 2's openening scene. Very sad/shocking.

Still not convincing enough, and because it happened right after the other families deaths I was kinda like "Well, Hawke looks like he is taking it pretty well."

I'm pretty sure, if I was him, I'd have went insane and been a MUCH LESS stable character.

But this was not portrayed well at all.


Meh. Pitiful.

[KarlVhazo]

I think what bugs me the most is that the only person that visits you afterward is Aveline (and I had Isabela and Merrill pretty high on friendships).

[Lawlita]

Aveline's the only one who talked about it at her own place (I wanted to hear about her dad even though Hawkes didn't). Isabella visited me because we did the nasty... even though I was actually trying active romances with other characters, which annoyed me to no end. Definitely doing quest order differently next go around.

It wouldn't have bothered me so much had it not been stumbling about. I wish I could skip that next time. Call me neglectful offspring, but that was sickening.

[Varus Praetor]

This was one of two plot twists that I did not see coming (didn't expect her to be "alive"). It also had legitimate emotional impact, compared to say...either of the sibling deaths. Hats off to you for this one BW....wish it was the norm rather than the exception for me.

[flakmeister_mcg]

Maybe it's the cybertronic implants in me, but the mother's abduction quest left me only wierdly baffled.

The absurdity of seeing the woman lumbering around like a Frankenstein-esque monstrosity was in that gray zone between disturbing and flat out laughable.

I don't see why this quest is even necessary. Hawke doesn't grow as a character because of it and it's not like he/she isn't acquainted with the concept of losing family members to tragic circumstances.

What really puzzles me is how Hawke does not descend into madness or at least fits of rage at some point considering his/hers rather troubled history. But then Hawke suffers from Shepard Syndrome: being a brickwall against which attempts of growth or humanity are shattered.

[Shockwave Pulsar]

This was seriously the biggest WTF moment I've ever seen in a game. It really doesn't fit in a game full of jokes and sarcasm, it also seems so random and pointless as it has basically no relevance for the main plot.
Whoever thought it would be cool to have a quest where your mother gets randomly abducted and dismembered, and then have her head sewn on another body, needs to see a shrink.

[UNOSHI]

i went beserk on him. really i did. spaming all extra damage boosting skills. i thought im such an idiot i should have listen ot the dupiu guy who was suspect for being the killer. when he said he isnt he is trying to find him as well. i thought my own fault but as it seems. she dies any way phew im not to blame

[AlexXIV]

flakmeister_mcg wrote...

Maybe it's the cybertronic implants in me, but the mother's abduction quest left me only wierdly baffled.

The absurdity of seeing the woman lumbering around like a Frankenstein-esque monstrosity was in that gray zone between disturbing and flat out laughable.

I don't see why this quest is even necessary. Hawke doesn't grow as a character because of it and it's not like he/she isn't acquainted with the concept of losing family members to tragic circumstances.

What really puzzles me is how Hawke does not descend into madness or at least fits of rage at some point considering his/hers rather troubled history. But then Hawke suffers from Shepard Syndrome: being a brickwall against which attempts of growth or humanity are shattered.

Well funnily I find it more appaling than sad either. For once Bioware's obvious purpose. Then the way they did it. Then that there was no sense whatsoever. I mean the murderer was crazy because he couldn't deal with the fact that his wife died. So he has the most intelligent plan to piece her together from bodyparts of other women. Which makes totally sense since he misses the body and not the soul which is lost anyway. Even if he succeeds it will only be a sort of patched together thing that doesn't really resemble his lost wife much since all the scars etc. So if there was any sense in it then he'd just took Hawke's mom and used the bloodmagic to make her love him. unless he had a special foot, hand, etc. fetish so she must have exactly looked like his wife with no regard to the fact her mind/soul was the one of another. So he could have someone who loved him and it worked out but he thought it is better to go frankenstein. I can't believe that so many people actually applaud bioware for that. Calling it stupid is just the nice and modest way to describe it.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 14 mars 2011 - 10:51 .

[bambooxfox]

I really enjoyed this quest. I was nervous enough when the white lilies line popped up, but Hawke's voice talent in the killer's lair pushed me toward frantic, then despair. And the chat with Leandra at the end was wonderful - insofar as your PC expressing actual regret and sorrow over something tragic rather than simply reacting with "I'm so sorry for your loss, now where's my pay?"

Or maybe I just quietly enjoy seeing my characters in pain. =x

[AlexXIV]

bambooxfox wrote...

I really enjoyed this quest. I was nervous enough when the white lilies line popped up, but Hawke's voice talent in the killer's lair pushed me toward frantic, then despair. And the chat with Leandra at the end was wonderful - insofar as your PC expressing actual regret and sorrow over something tragic rather than simply reacting with "I'm so sorry for your loss, now where's my pay?"

Or maybe I just quietly enjoy seeing my characters in pain. =x

I wish you would.

[Denthris]

I think the fact that is has elicited such a vast response. Both the anger and the applause at this scene is a testament to the ability to write a story. Almost all works that have been celebrated haven't been the "Happy Every after stories" those stories are a dime a dozen, waiting to be picked up by Disney and butchered for kiddies.

This is the scene that could turn a Mage against magic. It is a character defining scene, and while I wish I could have my character show a little more raw emotion. I personally would of liked to tear down that mage, piece by piece by peice.  Yet at the same time, the story is a dark one. Its evident from the right from the begining that being the "Champion of Kirkwall" isn't some glorious title, it is something that was earned but at a high cost.

Yes it was an absolute twisted way for her to die. But the fact is there are twisted monsters out their, and a deranged blood mage fits right into the story. If we hunted this guy down and she just killed some random women, would we be as emotionally charged. If she was some pesant girl we bumped into earlier.  I doubt there would be nearly as much reaction to it.  Perhaps at another point their will be some way to save your character, and I would defintiely like to see an alternate ending to it, but I there is still a story to be played out, even if I don't like the plot twists.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

AlexXIV wrote...

flakmeister_mcg wrote...

Maybe it's the cybertronic implants in me, but the mother's abduction quest left me only wierdly baffled.

The absurdity of seeing the woman lumbering around like a Frankenstein-esque monstrosity was in that gray zone between disturbing and flat out laughable.

I don't see why this quest is even necessary. Hawke doesn't grow as a character because of it and it's not like he/she isn't acquainted with the concept of losing family members to tragic circumstances.

What really puzzles me is how Hawke does not descend into madness or at least fits of rage at some point considering his/hers rather troubled history. But then Hawke suffers from Shepard Syndrome: being a brickwall against which attempts of growth or humanity are shattered.

Well funnily I find it more appaling than sad either. For once Bioware's obvious purpose. Then the way they did it. Then that there was no sense whatsoever. I mean the murderer was crazy because he couldn't deal with the fact that his wife died. So he has the most intelligent plan to piece her together from bodyparts of other women. Which makes totally sense since he misses the body and not the soul which is lost anyway. Even if he succeeds it will only be a sort of patched together thing that doesn't really resemble his lost wife much since all the scars etc. So if there was any sense in it then he'd just took Hawke's mom and used the bloodmagic to make her love him. unless he had a special foot, hand, etc. fetish so she must have exactly looked like his wife with no regard to the fact her mind/soul was the one of another. So he could have someone who loved him and it worked out but he thought it is better to go frankenstein. I can't believe that so many people actually applaud bioware for that. Calling it stupid is just the nice and modest way to describe it.

I dunno Alex. I think they accomplished exactly what they were out to do based on your reaction, and many others on these forums. From that perspective, I give the writers a big thumbs up, even if her death was heart-wrenching to me personally.

I imagine they'd have done something wrong if we were, instead, talking about how poetic and touching her death was. But, maybe that's just me.

*shrug*

[Fangirl17]

I was..*sniff* very sad T~T While following the blood trial I thought in denial "Oh it'll be okay,I'll get there in time." And then when I got to the killer and her sitting in the chair facing away from me I was like "There she is...she's okay right?They wouldn't..." But oh they did DX I was so, I feel a little silly saying this but, depressed I was on the verge of tears and even thinking back on it now it still makes me upset.

[Miko York]

Bioware has to do something about it >

[lcbeers2]

Lost Carver to the ogre, Bethany became a darkspawn in the deep roads, and now mother dies... wtf. I plan on killing Anders later in the game too, who will heal me in the last battle?

[lcbeers2]

Lost Carver to the ogre, Bethany became a darkspawn in the deep roads, and now mother dies... wtf. I plan on killing Anders later in the game too, who will heal me in the last battle?

[sylvanaerie]

If you go the DuPuis route, take Varric with you. The dwarf is full of win in all his scenes but I totally didn't see that coming.

[Merced652]

it amazes me that people cried at this. I was mad, mad about being railroaded, but thats about it.

[Hyper_gateway]

I feel really sad when things turns out, you can actually feel how hopeless that Hawke was. Tears in my eyes and following a wrath charging to the Mage.

For the Bethany part in my first attempt, I found out it is my fault not to bring Ander with me since he should be the best companion if you want to deal with darkspawn, so I reloaded my save. I would NEVER turn my sister to the heartless templar in Kirkwall.

[vekkth]

i am with those who do not see this quest as something decent in terms of plot building. i find it very flat and plain stupid way to affect the player. comparing to the previous plot moments from other bioware games (sup guys i am Revan), this is really thin, and empty.
haha ok, now you got me, you just railroaded the story and killed protagonists mother.
after killing hist sister (tho you gave me an option to save her, thank you. taken to circle tho. oh...)
after killing my brother! with an ogre! after 10 minutes into the game!
after killing my father!!! anonymously! with a darkspawn in lothering!

wow guys you are just doing it great. you really got me.

yeah.

Modifié par vekkth, 17 mars 2011 - 11:20 .

[vekkth]

sup forum doublepost.

Modifié par vekkth, 17 mars 2011 - 11:20 .

[nelson ganteng]

no need to sad it just a game oke

[nelson ganteng]

no need to sad it just a Game dont u know it bro